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    Su-57 Stealth Fighter: News #8

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    Post  Hole Mon Jul 03, 2023 12:03 pm

    Russian Su-57 has begun tests of the new "sixth generation engine" with flat nozzles and a variable thrust vector.
    It's apparently the further development of the Izdelie-30 engine. Up to 90% of the nozzle parts are made by additive technologies
    [printed on a special 3D printer].

    Su-57 Stealth Fighter: News #8 - Page 25 F0h7bh10
    Can´t say if that is a legit pic or just some CGI fantasy

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    Post  Isos Mon Jul 03, 2023 12:16 pm

    Obviously fake.

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    Post  Mir Mon Jul 03, 2023 1:05 pm

    Looks very much like a bad photoshop.

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    Post  Hole Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:40 pm

    But the real thing will look close to that.

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    Post  Gomig-21 Wed Jul 26, 2023 2:17 am

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    Su-57 Stealth Fighter: News #8 - Page 25 FzkxwAmWcAA7aFV?format=jpg&name=large

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    Post  TMA1 Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:28 am

    Fiending for new info on the su-57 like me eh? I know it sucks man. Russians get a move on.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:39 am

    I suspect new information about Russian weapons is only going to get more scarce in the west over time... sadly our politicians have made us the enemy...

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Jul 26, 2023 11:54 am

    GarryB wrote:I suspect new information about Russian weapons is only going to get more scarce in the west over time... sadly our politicians have made us the enemy...

    I don't think so

    Reporting on Russian military-industrial news and innovations is a thriving cottage industry in Russia with hundreds of blogs, dozens of publications, thousands of journalists, multiple YouTube channels, and millions of readers involved. And from there it will inevitably get translated into English as it does on this forum.

    But what we will see is more misinformation and nonsense mixed in to confuse NATO analysts.

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    Post  Mir Wed Jul 26, 2023 12:37 pm

    Yes the competition on the international market is going to be fierce and everything you can think of is going to get a super expensive cage to protect it from the evil Lancet drones Twisted Evil Laughing
    Su-57 Stealth Fighter: News #8 - Page 25 Su57-p10

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    Post  Backman Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:13 pm

    PeregrineFalcon wrote:
    galicije83 wrote:About RCS of F22...this is real walues not mambo jambo from lockeed martin bulshit...

    https://servimg.com/view/19411875/4

    For F22 RCS is from 0.3-0.4m², similar to the Su 57s....

    Yes, Russians did serious studies on the F-22 years back, and what is interesting, so did the Chinese and the results are almost identical, and far from the bloated 0,0001m2!

    Here is my very long text that is basically attempt to debunk the Quora "guru" Abhirup Sengupta who is the most dominant figure on the site regarding military aviation:

    https://www.quora.com/Abhirup-Sengupta-what-do-you-think-of-the-J-20-relative-to-the-SU-57-Eurocanards-and-US-5th-gens/answer/Semendrija123

    Anyone that happens to have a Quora acct, vote this up. Maybe then Sengupta or one of the idiot gate-keepers there will reply. And get torn to shreds again.
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    Post  Gomig-21 Wed Jul 26, 2023 10:49 pm

    Mir wrote:Yes the competition on the international market is going to be fierce and everything you can think of is going to get a super expensive cage to protect it from the evil Lancet drones Twisted Evil Laughing
    Su-57 Stealth Fighter: News #8 - Page 25 Su57-p10

    One of the neater color patterns for sure.

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    Post  mnztr Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:44 pm



    Interesting wail from a light of 4 SU-57s.

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    Post  Kiko Fri Aug 04, 2023 5:10 am

    Short-range missiles developed for the Su-57, by Dmitry Zubarev for VZGLYAD. 08.04.2023.

    Vympel: New short-range missiles have been created for the Su-57, ahead of Western developments.

    For the Russian Su-57 fighters, fifth-generation short-range missiles RVV-MD2 were created, which are five to ten years ahead of similar developments in the United States, representatives of the development company GosMKB Vympel reported in Arsenal of the Fatherland magazine.

    As noted in the article, in Russia, the development of fifth-generation air-to-air missiles, which have reached the industrial stage of production, are ahead of American developments by five to ten years, and the stage of putting them into service has already started, RIA Novosti reports .

    According to the developers, the RVV-MD2 can be placed in the inner fuselage compartments of the Su-57.

    As Viktor Murakhovsky, editor-in-chief of the Arsenal of the Fatherland magazine, clarified, the RVV-MD2 for the first time in short-range missiles uses an inertial control system, which assumes that the ammunition determines its own coordinates in space without external reference points and signals, calculating its position in space based on the previous position.

    In addition, Murakhovsky noted, the RVV-MD2 is equipped with a radio correction line, a multi-element dual-band infrared homing head with increased noise immunity and can hit targets at all angles, that is, the RVV-MD2 is launched forward, turns in the air and hits an enemy aircraft located behind the Su- 57.

    Earlier, a pilot of the Russian Aerospace Forces, participating in a special operation, told the VZGLYAD newspaper that new long-range air-to-air missiles have recently entered service with Russian fighters, they perform their combat missions according to certain tactics.

    https://vz.ru/news/2023/8/4/1224273.html

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    Post  xeno Fri Aug 04, 2023 6:16 am

    RVV-MD2 would be the best in the world if it was true...

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    Post  Gomig-21 Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:03 pm

    Kiko wrote:
    Earlier, a pilot of the Russian Aerospace Forces, participating in a special operation, told the VZGLYAD newspaper that new long-range air-to-air missiles have recently entered service with Russian fighters, they perform their combat missions according to certain tactics.

    https://vz.ru/news/2023/8/4/1224273.html

    Would love to find out more about those.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Aug 07, 2023 1:07 am

    They might be the new R-77M or they could be R-37Ms, or perhaps its replacement the Object 815 long range replacement.

    I would like to see a scramjet based replacement for the ramjet version they were making together with R-77M...

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    Post  Kiko Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:36 am

    Su-57 fighter received the latest digital communications system, by Olga Nikitina for VZGLYAD. 08.07.2023.

    Roselectronics: Fifth generation Su-57 fighter received the latest digital communications system.

    The latest set of on-board digital communications equipment has been introduced to the fifth-generation Su-57 fighter, the press service of the Ruselectronics holding (part of Rostec) reported.

    The holding told TASS that the complex was developed by NPP Polet. It is noted that it can be used on any aircraft, including previous generations.

    The complex operates in the ranges of high and very high frequencies, has increased noise immunity and intelligence protection. In addition, the range of stable communication has been increased.

    Earlier it was reported that fifth-generation short-range missiles RVV-MD2 were created for Russian Su-57 fighters, which are five to ten years ahead of similar developments in the United States.

    https://vz.ru/news/2023/8/7/1224634.html

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    Post  Kiko Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:00 am

    Su-57 Edges Out F-35 to Emerge Sentinel of Skies, 08.09.2023.

    Russia's cutting-edge Su-57 fighter has taken the lead in aerospace technology, and is set for accelerated deployment.
    This sets the stage for a clash of titans, pitting the Su-57's unparalleled agility against the F-35's capabilities, and highlights the Russian aircraft’s combat prowess during its deployment in the current Ukraine conflict.

    Advanced onboard digital communications equipment has been installed on the fifth-generation Sukhoi Su-57 multifunctional fighter, contributing to enhanced information transmission quality.

    During a recent coordinating council meeting, Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin unveiled plans to accelerate the deployment of Su-57 fighters within the military. The move aims to enhance the operational capacity and combat readiness of the Russian Armed Forces. Mishustin emphasized the significance of equipping the military with state-of-the-art technology, thus reinforcing the nation's defense capabilities as a global superpower.

    Sputnik dissects the implications of this Russian stealth multirole fighter aircraft and draw parallels with its contemporary peer - the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II.

    What is the Purpose of the Su-57?

    The Su-57, known by its alternate designation as the PAK-FA (Prospective Aviation Complex of Frontline Aviation) and NATO reporting name "Felon," has emerged as a vanguard fifth-generation fighter jet and is a product of Russia's Sukhoi Design Bureau's ingenuity. It is engineered to symbolize extraordinary maneuverability and cutting-edge stealth characteristics.

    This latest class of Sukhoi fighter aircraft is a worthy successor to the Su-27 (NATO reporting name "Flanker") fighter jet within the ranks of the Russian Aerospace Forces. Its purpose is manifold, encompassing the elimination of all airborne adversaries, precision strikes against ground and surface targets at night and in the day, and the art of penetrating fortified air defences.

    Beyond these combat functions, the Su-57 is vital to conducting aerial surveillance from a vantage point distant from the adversary's base, exemplifying its role as a sentinel of the skies.

    A revolutionary transformation of the fifth-generation Su-57 fighter's capabilities is achieved through advanced avionics technology, representing a fusion of modern electronics and aerospace engineering. The aircraft achieves heightened operational efficiency through advanced radar systems, communication interfaces, and navigation components, enabling the pilot to harness unprecedented control and assertiveness in the heat of combat.

    What is the American Equivalent of Russia’s Sukhoi Su-57?

    The F-35 is an American family of advanced fighter aircraft designed for air superiority, strike missions, electronic warfare, and intelligence capabilities. The US F-35 fifth-gen fighter plane was designed to replace the aging F-16 Fighting Falcon fleet.

    It's a single-seat, single-engine aircraft with stealth features developed by Lockheed Martin, with partnerships from Northrop Grumman and BAE Systems. The F-35 comes in three variants, each designed to fulfill specific combat roles: the conventional takeoff and landing (CTOL), the short takeoff and vertical landing (STOVL), and the carrier-based variant (CV/CATOBAR). It is a versatile combat aircraft fitted with modern aviation technology that makes it adaptable for combat assignments.

    “An aircraft system of this class is present in two and a half countries - we will count in three. The first is the United States: they made the F-22 'Raptor' fighter, which they are already quietly preparing for decommissioning because it is not very economically feasible for them to operate it. It turned out very expensive. And it was replaced by the F-35 fighter, also a multifunctional aircraft system, as we know, which exists in three variations: A, B, C. Then there’s the Russian Su-57,” says Dmitry Drozdenko, military analyst and chief editor of the Internet portal Arsenal Otechestva.

    Key Features of Sukhoi's Su-57

    Drozdenko explains that the Russian fifth-generation fighter plane has low radar visibility and is equipped with twin engines, unlike the American single-engine fifth-generation fighter jet. "This means greater survivability in flight." He added that F-35s have often faced challenges primarily related to rotor failure or partial engine issues.

    The Su-57's ability to achieve supermaneuverability is its second most significant advantage, setting it apart from its American peer. This remarkable agility is made possible by incorporating all-aspect nozzles and is further enhanced by an intelligent system. This system proves particularly valuable during close-quarters combat, enabling the execution of unparalleled maneuvers.

    A notable innovation deserving attention is the incorporation of the revolutionary "smart skin" technology. This advancement empowers the aircraft with an unprecedented ability to observe its surroundings in a full 360-degree spectrum. Currently, the Su-57 aircraft is undergoing trials for the specialized RVV MD-2 short-range air-to-air missile. This missile is uniquely optimized to leverage the capabilities of the "smart skin" system, enabling it to be deployed with remarkable flexibility in various directions, the military analyst noted.

    “This is its main difference. In addition, it is a multifunctional complex that can be not only a fighter but also a bomber; it can perform the full range of tasks of modern aviation, up to controlling an unmanned wingman,” Dmitry Drozdenko revealed.

    Has the Su-57 Been Used in Combat?

    During an August 2022 interview on a Russian TV channel, Russia's Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu, praised the advanced Su-57 fighters for their exceptional combat performance in Ukraine. "We can [… say] we have used and are using the Su-57 aircraft. This aircraft has shown itself brilliantly. The aircraft has a very high degree of protection against various air defense systems, has protection against missiles. There is a lot of stuff there. […] Most importantly, it has very powerful weapons. We also tried and tested these weapons, they work brilliantly, I can't find another word for it," Shoigu remarked.

    Sukhoi's Su-57 vs. F-35 - Which is Superior?

    According to Drozdenko, the significance of the Su-57's supermaneuverability would come into play during an actual combat scenario, particularly in what's commonly called a "dog fight." The ability of the aircraft to execute rapid and agile maneuvers becomes highly crucial in close-range engagements.

    For instance, when an adversary positions itself behind the plane, the Su-57 can promptly counter by swiftly changing direction. Moreover, the aircraft's capability to execute reverse maneuvers in a matter of seconds, around three or four, presents a substantial advantage. On the other hand, the F-35, for instance, takes approximately 20 seconds to complete the same action. This discrepancy can be pivotal in determining the outcome of an engagement. The Su-57's rapid response could potentially evade an incoming enemy missile while executing these agile maneuvers, unlike the F-35, which might remain vulnerable during its longer maneuvering process.

    https://sputnikglobe.com/20230809/su-57-edges-out-f-35-to-emerge-sentinel-of-skies-1112468913.html

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    Post  Arrow Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:03 am

    The US is working on the NGAD, which could be a serious competitor to the Su-57. On the other hand, the F-35 is no opponent for the Su-57.
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    Post  Broski Wed Aug 09, 2023 12:59 pm

    Arrow wrote:The US is working on the NGAD, which could be a serious competitor to the Su-57. On the other hand, the F-35 is no opponent for the Su-57.
    If the F-15EX and F-35 is anything to go by, it'll cost $300-500m per unit and unusable in rainy, dusty, cold, hot or salty climates.

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    Post  pavi Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:02 pm

    Is there any recent news or statements from official / reliable sources when izdelieye 30 is installed on production aircraft?
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    Su-57 Stealth Fighter: News #8 - Page 25 F3B0zn-WkAAnifB?format=jpg&name=medium

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    Post  Gomig-21 Fri Aug 11, 2023 3:56 am

    It would be nice to see the weapons bays testing footage or even just photos. Ever since this AC made its maiden flight, I think there has only been one clip of a missile (most likely R-73) being fired from one of those underwing compartments. Other than that, I don't think there is any type of photographic illustration of either the belly weapons bays or the underwing ones. A bit odd that Sukhoi has kept all that stuff completely secret and off the grid, so to speak. Shades of the cold war tactics.

    Another nice pic.

    Su-57 Stealth Fighter: News #8 - Page 25 Fk_CeSWWQAUdhPo?format=webp&name=small

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    Post  LMFS Sun Aug 13, 2023 6:07 am

    From an Army 2023 interview with Rostec:

    – How is the work on increasing the serial production of Su-57 fighters progressing? When is the so-called second stage engine planned to be installed on this aircraft?
    – We fully fulfill our obligations to the Ministry of Defense. The aircraft is currently undergoing pilot operation in the Russian Aerospace Forces. This year, our cooperation led by UAC plans to significantly increase the rate of production of these aircraft in accordance with the state contract. At the same time, the Su-57 platform is evolving. Its combat capabilities are being increased, and the most modern technologies are being introduced into the vehicle. In other words, its effectiveness continues to grow. As for the power plants, the Su-57 aircraft is adapted to the use of both the first and second stage engines. Even with a first-stage engine, the fighter meets the basic requirements for a fifth-generation aircraft. Currently, aircraft with a second-stage engine are undergoing flight tests. Already under the current serial contract, it is planned to supply the Su-57 with a new engine – UEC and UAC are working on this.

    https://ria.ru/20230810/artyakov-1889223986.html

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    Post  TMA1 Sun Aug 13, 2023 6:46 am

    "Already under the current serial contract, it is planned to supply the Su-57 with a new engine – UEC and UAC are working on this."

    What do you guys think it means? I'm hoping this means we will see the izd 30 before or at 2025 and not 2027.

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