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    2021 Black Sea incident with professional liars (Royal Navy)

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    Post  Kiko Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:24 pm

    Who revealed the secrets of the British provocation against Russia, 28.06.2021.

    The story of the discovery at a bus stop of secret documents of the British Ministry of Defense about plans for the passage of a British destroyer through the territorial waters of Russia continues to grow overgrown with strange details. Most of them indicate that this was a deliberate stuffing. Who made this leak and why?

    Soviet and Russian intelligence veteran Yuri Kobaladze was asked in an interview what is the worst thing in the life of an intelligence officer. In response, Yuri Georgievich told the following story.

    One hot summer, he worked with documents in his office in the intelligence complex in Yasenevo. There were no air conditioners there yet, so the windows were wide open. Suddenly someone came in, the door opened, a draft formed. And all the documents lying on the table fluttered like butterflies into the courtyard. A comical pursuit of papers followed, so that they, driven by the wind, would not fly over the fence into the street. Where anyone could pick them up.

    This is the worst thing that could happen to an intelligence officer. Not the loss of the agent, not the expulsion, but the loss of secret documents. For this in Soviet times, it was possible to lose not just a career, but in general a further biography.

    But in the United Kingdom, this usually gets away with it. Nobody canceled the traditional British carelessness. And it does not hold a candle to all the stereotypes about the Russian national character.

    One day recently, a British intelligence official was on his way to a report on Afghanistan at the Prime Minister's Downing Street. And all would be fine, but in his hands he was holding a folder with top secret materials on agents in Afghanistan. And for some reason the folder was open, and it was on the page where the agents' personal data were listed. The journalists crowded in Downing Street simply photographed her, having received all the appearances, names and passwords.

    And former Prime Minister James Cameron once took a high-speed train from London to Glasgow (sort of like our Peregrine Falcon with seating) to a relative's wedding. At some point, he got up and went to the dining car for a glass. There he was recognized by a simple subject of Her Majesty, very surprised and went to the car where the Prime Minister was traveling. On his table lay a red box - the famous red leather briefcase, in which members of the government carry secret documents up to nuclear weapons. Prime minister was written on the briefcase in gold embossing, and the key was inserted into the lock.

    The man calmly photographed all this and then claimed that he could just take the red suitcase and carry it away. In hindsight, the security service claimed that it had been watching the red suitcase and would not have given it away, but the sediment remained.

    Okay, Cameron is another story. One day he forgot his eight-year-old daughter in a pub. But on this incident ended the cheap populism of the British government. Politicians were finally banned from commuting to work on bicycles, buses and the subway. Populism is populism ("we are with the common people"), but state secrets are still more important. And now it is customary to camouflage red suitcases. They are placed inside a simple bag.

    That did not cancel a series of losses of secret documents by British officials of a slightly lower rank in all the same commuter trains (in the same Kent, where many of the aristocrats live, and they travel to work in London by trains). Documents about Afghanistan and Syria were regularly lost in electric trains and in the subway. Many are nodding to the fact that in the UK, even law enforcement and intelligence officers are allowed to drink in the workplace (well, a couple of pints of beer who will follow), or at lunchtime in a pub or club, as part of the national culture. But the result is obvious. And no Petrov or Boshirov is needed.

    However, in the specific case concerning the loss of documents regarding the passage of the destroyer "Defender" off the coast of Crimea, there is still more real politics than such mind-blowing stories.

    First, it is striking that exactly those papers were lost and mystically found that were required to be shown at that particular moment in time. Not something about nuclear weapons, but about a destroyer in the Black Sea. And these documents were lost two days before the event itself. Such coincidences are hard to believe.

    Usually, the average law-abiding British Protestant, finding something foreign at a bus stop, will carry it back to the owner. Or the police. And in this case, the person went to the BBC. Of course, people are different. Maybe he wanted money from the broadcasting corporation or something ideological leaped into him. But in general, a strange thing. There was a case when the guards of US President Barack Obama, drunk, forgot in a bar in France every single document related to Obama's visit to Marseille for the G20 meeting, including the president's travel schedule for several months in advance and the internal schemes of the Carlton hotel with the deployment of guards. These are the people who arrive on the front side and are obliged to provide protection for the first person.

    The French waiter who found these documents received a special FBI medal and a monetary reward. He did not bring these documents to the newspaper, but called the police.

    Second, it is important to understand what exactly was in the documents found in Kent. It seems from them that great strategists and analysts work in the United Kingdom Ministry of Defense, who calculated in advance all the pros and cons of the passage of a destroyer across the Russian border at Cape Fiolent and concluded that for the image of Great Britain it is better to put oneself in jeopardy than to dodge and “ show weakness. " Moreover, in this analysis, responsibility was assigned in advance to the Russian side and the risks from a possible response from Russia were calculated.

    By the way, it was clear in advance that the destroyer would not move on Russian waters for more than twenty minutes, which initially meant that it would not be sunk. It's just that peace negotiations with such violators take at least half an hour. And so - dusty, where it is dangerous, and it seems like heroes. This suggests that such a clever leak could have been organized in the bowels of the UK Defense Ministry itself. It is clear that in order to raise the prestige. But is it only for this purpose?

    It is no secret that Boris Johnson's office is heterogeneous and is constantly shaken by internal scandals. The conflict between Defense Secretary Ben Wallace and Foreign Office head Dominic Raab is one of the most difficult issues within the Kingdom's current government. According to other leaks, it was Ben Wallace who insisted on the passage of the ship through Russian territorial waters at Cape Fiolent, while Raab allegedly opposed it.

    The two towers of Westminster Palace had a bit of an argument. The British Department of Defense believes that it is possible to knock on the nose of the Russian bear for the sake of the political interests of the head of this department. Foreign Office says that one should not behave like that, because the bear is still dangerous.

    Yes, according to the principle "who benefits", it was Ben Wallace who was most interested in it.

    Yes, they announced an investigation into the careless handling of classified materials. But, firstly, they simply say "secret", that is, the access level is rather low. Some have the inscription Strickly UK Eyes Only, which is slightly higher in secrecy, but these documents were related to Afghanistan, and not to a destroyer in the Black Sea. But on the whole, this leak (or stuffing) did not damage the defense capability of Great Britain. You can be sure that we will never see the results of the investigation into this fact of the leak, despite the fact that the UK DoD has already confirmed that a certain "high-ranking official" of the ministry could have lost the papers. Moreover, the identity of the person who found the documents is also not disclosed.

    Thus, if the leak was orchestrated from the bowels of the United Kingdom Department of Defense to portray British sailors as heroes, and the DoD itself as a stronghold of strategic thinking and analysis, we are not dealing with a question of world politics. And not even a question of confrontation between Britain and Russia. It's just that inside the British government they are ready to risk not only the lives of sailors, but also world stability for the sake of clarifying personal relations and personal political dividends.

    Text: Evgeny Krutikov

    https://m.vz.ru/world/2021/6/28/1106258.html

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    Post  TMA1 Mon Jun 28, 2021 11:00 pm

    Kiko wrote:Who revealed the secrets of the British provocation against Russia, 28.06.2021.

    The story of the discovery at a bus stop of secret documents of the British Ministry of Defense about plans for the passage of a British destroyer through the territorial waters of Russia continues to grow overgrown with strange details. Most of them indicate that this was a deliberate stuffing. Who made this leak and why?

    Soviet and Russian intelligence veteran Yuri Kobaladze was asked in an interview what is the worst thing in the life of an intelligence officer. In response, Yuri Georgievich told the following story.

    One hot summer, he worked with documents in his office in the intelligence complex in Yasenevo. There were no air conditioners there yet, so the windows were wide open. Suddenly someone came in, the door opened, a draft formed. And all the documents lying on the table fluttered like butterflies into the courtyard. A comical pursuit of papers followed, so that they, driven by the wind, would not fly over the fence into the street. Where anyone could pick them up.

    This is the worst thing that could happen to an intelligence officer. Not the loss of the agent, not the expulsion, but the loss of secret documents. For this in Soviet times, it was possible to lose not just a career, but in general a further biography.

    But in the United Kingdom, this usually gets away with it. Nobody canceled the traditional British carelessness. And it does not hold a candle to all the stereotypes about the Russian national character.

    One day recently, a British intelligence official was on his way to a report on Afghanistan at the Prime Minister's Downing Street. And all would be fine, but in his hands he was holding a folder with top secret materials on agents in Afghanistan. And for some reason the folder was open, and it was on the page where the agents' personal data were listed. The journalists crowded in Downing Street simply photographed her, having received all the appearances, names and passwords.

    And former Prime Minister James Cameron once took a high-speed train from London to Glasgow (sort of like our Peregrine Falcon with seating) to a relative's wedding. At some point, he got up and went to the dining car for a glass. There he was recognized by a simple subject of Her Majesty, very surprised and went to the car where the Prime Minister was traveling. On his table lay a red box - the famous red leather briefcase, in which members of the government carry secret documents up to nuclear weapons. Prime minister was written on the briefcase in gold embossing, and the key was inserted into the lock.

    The man calmly photographed all this and then claimed that he could just take the red suitcase and carry it away. In hindsight, the security service claimed that it had been watching the red suitcase and would not have given it away, but the sediment remained.

    Okay, Cameron is another story. One day he forgot his eight-year-old daughter in a pub. But on this incident ended the cheap populism of the British government. Politicians were finally banned from commuting to work on bicycles, buses and the subway. Populism is populism ("we are with the common people"), but state secrets are still more important. And now it is customary to camouflage red suitcases. They are placed inside a simple bag.

    That did not cancel a series of losses of secret documents by British officials of a slightly lower rank in all the same commuter trains (in the same Kent, where many of the aristocrats live, and they travel to work in London by trains). Documents about Afghanistan and Syria were regularly lost in electric trains and in the subway. Many are nodding to the fact that in the UK, even law enforcement and intelligence officers are allowed to drink in the workplace (well, a couple of pints of beer who will follow), or at lunchtime in a pub or club, as part of the national culture. But the result is obvious. And no Petrov or Boshirov is needed.

    However, in the specific  case concerning the loss of documents regarding the passage of the destroyer "Defender" off the coast of Crimea, there is still more real politics than such mind-blowing stories.

    First, it is striking that exactly those papers were lost and mystically found that were required to be shown at that particular moment in time. Not something about nuclear weapons, but about a destroyer in the Black Sea. And these documents were lost two days before the event itself. Such coincidences are hard to believe.

    Usually, the average law-abiding British Protestant, finding something foreign at a bus stop, will carry it back to the owner. Or the police. And in this case, the person went to the BBC. Of course, people are different. Maybe he wanted money from the broadcasting corporation or something ideological leaped into him. But in general, a strange thing. There was a case when the guards of US President Barack Obama, drunk, forgot in a bar in France every single document related to Obama's visit to Marseille for the G20 meeting, including the president's travel schedule for several months in advance and the internal schemes of the Carlton hotel with the deployment of guards. These are the people who arrive on the front side and are obliged to provide protection for the first person.

    The French waiter who found these documents received a special FBI medal and a monetary reward. He did not bring these documents to the newspaper, but called the police.

    Second, it is important to understand what exactly was in the documents found in Kent. It seems from them that great strategists and analysts work in the United Kingdom Ministry of Defense, who calculated in advance all the pros and cons of the passage of a destroyer across the Russian border at Cape Fiolent and concluded that for the image of Great Britain it is better to put oneself in jeopardy than to dodge and “ show weakness. " Moreover, in this analysis, responsibility was assigned in advance to the Russian side and the risks from a possible response from Russia were calculated.

    By the way, it was clear in advance that the destroyer would not move on Russian waters for more than twenty minutes, which initially meant that it would not be sunk. It's just that peace negotiations with such violators take at least half an hour. And so - dusty, where it is dangerous, and it seems like heroes. This suggests that such a clever leak could have been organized in the bowels of the UK Defense Ministry itself. It is clear that in order to raise the prestige. But is it only for this purpose?

    It is no secret that Boris Johnson's office is heterogeneous and is constantly shaken by internal scandals. The conflict between Defense Secretary Ben Wallace and Foreign Office head Dominic Raab is one of the most difficult issues within the Kingdom's current government. According to other leaks, it was Ben Wallace who insisted on the passage of the ship through Russian territorial waters at Cape Fiolent, while Raab allegedly opposed it.

    The two towers of Westminster Palace had a bit of an argument. The British Department of Defense believes that it is possible to knock on the nose of the Russian bear for the sake of the political interests of the head of this department. Foreign Office says that one should not behave like that, because the bear is still dangerous.

    Yes, according to the principle "who benefits", it was Ben Wallace who was most interested in it.

    Yes, they announced an investigation into the careless handling of classified materials. But, firstly, they simply say "secret", that is, the access level is rather low. Some have the inscription Strickly UK Eyes Only, which is slightly higher in secrecy, but these documents were related to Afghanistan, and not to a destroyer in the Black Sea. But on the whole, this leak (or stuffing) did not damage the defense capability of Great Britain. You can be sure that we will never see the results of the investigation into this fact of the leak, despite the fact that the UK DoD has already confirmed that a certain "high-ranking official" of the ministry could have lost the papers. Moreover, the identity of the person who found the documents is also not disclosed.

    Thus, if the leak was orchestrated from the bowels of the United Kingdom Department of Defense to portray British sailors as heroes, and the DoD itself as a stronghold of strategic thinking and analysis, we are not dealing with a question of world politics. And not even a question of confrontation between Britain and Russia. It's just that inside the British government they are ready to risk not only the lives of sailors, but also world stability for the sake of clarifying personal relations and personal political dividends.

    Text: Evgeny Krutikov

    https://m.vz.ru/world/2021/6/28/1106258.html

    HAHAHAHA holy sh*t this article is dabbing on UK politicians and intelligence officials and those documents were nicely laid out as a reminder that they knew exactly what's going on lol

    This is how you handle affairs.
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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jun 28, 2021 11:13 pm

    Fog&mirrors.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:25 am

    They are morons.

    If you are going to put reporters from two media sources on board a ship you plan to sail into the waters of another country without legal right then you need to coordinate your press releases so your government does not contradict what your planted independent sources say.

    The British said no shots were fired, while the reporters on board said there were and then when the Russians released video footage of the incident including burst fire from the 30mm gatling gun on the patrol boat the British lie was confirmed to be a lie.

    That incompetence alone is pathetic, but then this stunt of releasing documents to pretend it was all well thought out and planned as a provocation proves there was no innocent passage... it was a political shot at the Russians.

    But then it has proven how critical the Royal Navy is to Britain, and fully justifies spending all that extra money on Trident instead of where it could do some good.

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    Post  Isos Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:38 am

    Just pussies. They sent that ship in russian waters and were afraid to say it is a free navigation operation and they had no support from Nato or US or EU. So they said it was a safe transit that is allowed by international convention.

    Now they with that leak they try to make it look like it was a support for Ukraine.

    If that captain said "this is Ukrainian waters" the ship would have been shot at or seized.

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    Post  kvs Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:16 pm

    The British have pulled this stunt before, during the early 1800s. They had a reporter from the Times on board that time. The
    dick waving was at Novorossiysk (called by another name at the time). This is when the British considered the western Caucuses
    to be their area of interest and control. That was a provocation very similar to the Defender incident. If the Russian navy had
    sunk or seize the British ship, that would have been fuel for the propaganda fire how Russia is a rogue state illegally grabbing this
    and that. The UK has no moral, legal and force authority to decide on the status of Crimea. It is a pathetic yapping chihuahua
    that couldn't even stop Russia 200 years ago when it had relatively much more power.

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    Post  Isos Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:58 pm

    Russian fighters over HNLMS Evertsen in the black sea during the agression of UK ship. They say they conducted EW operations agaibst the ship.


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    Post  ALAMO Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:33 pm

    More interesting, it carries some big sticks ...
    Looks like Ch31 to me.
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    Post  kvs Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:15 pm

    The western "legal" circularity. They are posturing to recognize the territorial integrity of Ukraine which they themselves recognized.
    No country on the planet had any legal right to recognize the annexation of Crimea by Ukraine in 1991. After Kosovo and the 2008
    ruling by the Hague based ICJ, the whole concept of territorial integrity is no longer viable. There are no different rules for different
    people. Either there are consistent rules, or there is merely abuse. If squatter's rights in provinces like Kosovo i Metohija (which
    lacks any Albanian place names, and not because of some Serb renaming campaign) can be sanctified to justify independence, then
    Crimea is more than justified to secede. NATzO and its "recognition" of this and that is worth less than shit.

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    Post  Isos Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:31 pm

    ALAMO wrote:More interesting, it carries some big sticks ...
    Looks like Ch31 to me.

    Yes that's why I posted it. Kh-31.

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    Post  TMA1 Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:45 pm

    Wait what? Did I totally read that letter wrong? Damnit I speak before thinking too often...So was that info intentionally leaked by the brits?
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    Post  Kiko Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:18 am

    Russian fighter trained on a Dutch frigate in the Black Sea and turned off its electronics, 29.06.2021

    The Dutch Ministry of Defense complained that on June 24, Russian fighters were simulating attacks on the Dutch Navy frigate Evertsen, located in the Black Sea southeast of Crimea.

    According to the Dutch side, the military aircraft created a "dangerous situation" for the crew of the frigate, flew close to the ship and "were equipped with bombs and air-to-surface missiles." This was announced on June 29 by the acting Minister of Defense of the country Ankh Beyleveld-Schouten.

    According to the Dutch Ministry of Defense, after "several hours of intimidation" and "simulated attacks", Evertsen began to experience interruptions in the operation of electronic equipment.

    As writes TASSFrom the point of view of the Dutch side, by its actions Russia violated the right to freedom of navigation, as well as bilateral agreements, including the agreement on the prevention of incidents at sea, which is aimed at eliminating unsafe situations at sea.

    The Russian military department said that the frigate Evertsen, which was in neutral waters, changed course and began to move towards the Kerch Strait. To prevent border violations, Su-30SM fighters and Su-24 bombers took to the air. After that, Evertsen immediately changed course.

    In the Ministry of Defense highlighted - the flight was at a safe distance from the Dutch frigate.

    “The crews of Russian aircraft returned to their home airfields. The flights of Russian aircraft were carried out in accordance with international rules for the use of airspace, ”the department added.

    The frigate Evertsen is part of a British aircraft carrier strike group led by the British Navy destroyer HMS Defender. The ships, according to the Ministry of Defense, are conducting exercises with allies in the region and making calls to a number of ports.

    On June 23, the destroyer Defender invaded Russian territorial waters off the Crimean Cape Fiolent. The coast guard ship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet opened warning fire on the course of the vessel, and then the Su-24M bomber dropped four 250-kilogram high-explosive fragmentation bombs in front of the British destroyer. This had a sobering effect on the British, and the destroyer left the territorial waters of Russia.

    On June 26, the ships of the permanent formation of the Russian Navy conducted rocket firing in the Mediterranean Sea, several tens of kilometers from the aircraft carrier strike group of Great Britain, and the MiG-31K interceptor fighters carried out electronic missile launches at virtual targets.
    On April 10, 2014, the American destroyer Donald Cook entered the Black Sea. On the 12th, a Su-24 front-line bomber flew out to meet him unarmed. The Russian plane was equipped with the Khibiny electronic warfare system.

    Having approached the destroyer, the bomber crew activated the Khibiny. The electronic warfare complex turned off the radar on the ship, combat control circuits, data transmission systems - all the electronic equipment of the Aegis system. Then the Su-24 made an imitation of a rocket attack on the stunned and blinded Donald Cook twelve times, after which it flew to the base, and the American went to the Romanian port of Constanta to clean up.

    According to media reports, on April 14, 2014, the Pentagon issued an extremely emotional statement, accusing Russia of violating its own traditions and international treaties. It was mentioned that the crew of "Donald Cook" after meeting with the bomber was demoralized, a number of media reported that 27 American sailors had written reports on their dismissal from the fleet.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:34 am

    TMA1 wrote:Wait what? Did I totally read that letter wrong? Damnit I speak before thinking too often...So was that info intentionally leaked by the brits?

    It is something to make the Brits look sane. Proper. With morals.
    So the opposite of the reality Laughing

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    Post  kvs Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:01 am

    Kiko wrote:Russian fighter trained on a Dutch frigate in the Black Sea and turned off its electronics, 29.06.2021

    As writes TASSFrom the point of view of the Dutch side, by its actions Russia violated the right to freedom of navigation, as well as bilateral agreements, including the agreement on the prevention of incidents at sea, which is aimed at eliminating unsafe situations at sea.


    BS. NATzO navy ships act as a pack. If the UK was there to violate Russia's maritime territory, then the Dutch were there to back them up.

    Cry me a river.

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    Post  Vann7 Wed Jun 30, 2021 5:19 am




    i will not be surprised if they provoke a false flag , british and ukies orcos , load in an outdated and soon to be decomissioned warship ,idiots they hired to be inside , then rigg with bombs the warship,
    to simulate a torpedo attack false flag , in international waters , then the west blame russia for it.

    so don't be surprised if they stage a warship sink false flag and blame russia for it.
    the goal of US and uk is provoke a military incident , and try to get one of their warships or allies sinked , and use the incident to pressure germany and france to sanctions on russia and cut nord stream 2 and also nord stream 1. so the anglo west is very desperate for blocking russia economy
    and this hostiles provocations are made for that..

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    Post  GarryB Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:09 pm


    The frigate Evertsen is part of a British aircraft carrier strike group led by the British Navy destroyer HMS Defender. The ships, according to the Ministry of Defense, are conducting exercises with allies in the region and making calls to a number of ports..

    The Dutch ship was part of a military force including the British ship that violated Russian waters the day before.... what right to innocent passage did they have?

    Also when the Russian coast guard told the British ship it was in Russian waters and ordered it to leave, by not leaving Russian waters they no longer had the protection of innocent passage... in the same way that an aircraft travelling through a countries airspace has to pretty much do what air control tell them to do.

    Wait what? Did I totally read that letter wrong? Damnit I speak before thinking too often...So was that info intentionally leaked by the brits?

    Pretty clear that not everyone in British Intelligence wants to go along with such crackpot schemes and poke the Bear.

    Now the netherlands want to play such games too... idiots... what could they possibly achieve that would be useful... except saying we can be as stupid as the British.

    Hahaha... and the thought that popped into my head when I typed that was Blackadder with percy and baldrick in the middle of no mans land in WWI standing up arguing over who was the most stupid.

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    Post  Hole Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:35 pm

    Didn´t know that the Netherlands are on the Black Sea. scratch

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    Post  LMFS Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:47 pm

    Nice trolling by Putin and the best threat until now

    "We were not on brink of World War III as they perfectly know they have no chance of winning, even if we sunk it they wouldn't dare to react militarily"

    https://ria.ru/20210630/putin-1739181461.html

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    Post  kvs Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:43 pm

    LMFS wrote:Nice trolling by Putin and the best threat until now

    "We were not on brink of World War III as they perfectly know they have no chance of winning, even if we sunk it they wouldn't dare to react militarily"

    https://ria.ru/20210630/putin-1739181461.html


    Yes, the purpose was to bait the Russians and establish a propaganda hysteria to rally the world against the "Russian aggressor".
    The rapid deflation of Kiev's big plans to ethnically cleanse the Donbass earlier this year shows that NATzO is too chicken shit to
    attack Russia. So the ball is in Russia's court and it is making the right moves.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:02 pm

    LMFS wrote:Nice trolling by Putin and the best threat until now

    "We were not on brink of World War III as they perfectly know they have no chance of winning, even if we sunk it they wouldn't dare to react militarily"

    https://ria.ru/20210630/putin-1739181461.html


    That's a pretty stupid statement, very inflammatory

    Maybe someone at NATO will also say the same thing, that a sunk Russian ship won't start WW3

    And then maybe someone will eventually try it

    Putin missed a good chance to shutup
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    Post  Isos Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:14 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    LMFS wrote:Nice trolling by Putin and the best threat until now

    "We were not on brink of World War III as they perfectly know they have no chance of winning, even if we sunk it they wouldn't dare to react militarily"

    https://ria.ru/20210630/putin-1739181461.html


    That's a pretty stupid statement, very inflammatory

    Maybe someone at NATO will also say the same thing, that a sunk Russian ship won't start WW3

    And then maybe someone will eventually try it

    Putin missed a good chance to shutup

    It won't. Su-24 downing didn't start a war, just symetric actions by downing and killing the crew of a turkish helicopter.

    Destroying a ship that enters russian waters isn't a declaration of war. They just protect their water. But then russian ships may be very careful not to cross Nato waters too because they will respond the same way.

    Destroying a ship because it comes in your water with no intention of fighting would be just a stupid move. Escort it out with some warning shot is the good reaction. Do it once, do it twice and the third time just sink it.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:25 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    That's a pretty stupid statement, very inflammatory
    Maybe someone at NATO will also say the same thing, that a sunk Russian ship won't start WW3
    And then maybe someone will eventually try it
    Putin missed a good chance to shutup

    Not even close.
    The citation lacks the general attitude&spirit Putin presented.
    It was just an obvious statement, that first of all, this would be hardly a cause to unleash WW3, even if the harshest scenario applied.
    And second, ze wezt will do shit, as they are unable to win the global war.
    No idea how that was presented in UK media - I can imagine only Laughing - but if you want I can send you an original any moment.

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    Post  kvs Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:08 pm

    Hole wrote:Didn´t know that the Netherlands are on the Black Sea. scratch

    Yet another U-ropean imperialist chihuahua dreaming of the days of past "glory".
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    Post  kvs Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:09 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    LMFS wrote:Nice trolling by Putin and the best threat until now

    "We were not on brink of World War III as they perfectly know they have no chance of winning, even if we sunk it they wouldn't dare to react militarily"

    https://ria.ru/20210630/putin-1739181461.html


    That's a pretty stupid statement, very inflammatory

    Maybe someone at NATO will also say the same thing, that a sunk Russian ship won't start WW3

    And then maybe someone will eventually try it

    Putin missed a good chance to shutup

    You are hilarious. The tone coming out the USSR for most of its existence was much harsher than this.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:15 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Hole wrote:Didn´t know that the Netherlands are on the Black Sea. scratch

    Yet another U-ropean imperialist chihuahua dreaming of the days of past "glory".

    You are missing the point scratch
    This Dutch frigate is one of the supporting assets of QtE carrier.
    They are supposed to be in the Med.
    That is Hole's question.
    IDK dunno

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