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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:40 am

    LMFS wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:Royal Navy wins the day  respekt

    Yeah, more defeatist BS please Rolling Eyes

    https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1407678245638754307

    Yeah, so essentially the Brits were lying, Russian Jets, drones and such were firing near the ship and then followed it out of Russian waters. With that many planes and what not (guarantee subs too), that ship would have been sunk within seconds if Brits did something stupid.

    At least the Russians came more prepared this time.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:18 am

    Let's consider it from another angle ... Maybe the navigation skills of the Royal Navy are getting closer to the USN and navy of Norway? We can expect a ramming into a civilian vessel any moment Laughing
    But seriously, it is a pure provocation carried out with cold blood. A stupid one, to be honest.
    Anyone who has something more inside his head than a string keeping the ears tight knows that the Black Sea is fully controlled by Russia.
    Any NATO task force there would last as long as the flight time of Bastion takes ...

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    Post  Mir Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:55 am

    This was just the Brits trying to show to their friends in the region that they are still a big stick maritime power - the reality is actually rather sad. cry

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    Post  Azi Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:14 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:Your video last 30sec and shows their ship runing at full speed and certainly not in direction of Crimea.
    Warning shot were fired and they even droped 4 bombs.

    Only 4?

    I hear from this guy on Instagram that there were 400 bombs... nuclear ones!

    But we will never know for sure I guess

    If only there were some way of recording moving images for later reproduction...

    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-57587777 Warning shots hearable from 1:38!

    Th Bykov patrol ship makes not so a big boom with the cannon by the way!!! And sometimes...only sometimes it can happen that things are not recorded! The Su-24 threw the bombs not for advertising, it threw it as a warning and with no other plane or drone behind the Su-24 maybe recording is more than difficult, because they were thrown in the path of the HMS defender and the patrol ship was behind the HMS defender....so we talk here about a little few kilometres.

    But of course it was only a live firing exercise 1-2 km away from the british ship and not aimed at the HMS Defender. And it was not the russian territorial waters, it was ukrainian! The ship was "innocent" on a recognized traffic line!!! The brits show normally ALWAYS up than the russian practice live firing drills at sea and always at a "safe distance" of a few hundreds of meters or a kilometre or so!  pwnd  pwnd

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    Post  LMFS Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:40 am

    Azi wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-57587777 Warning shots hearable from 1:38!

    I can't believe what that bunch of monkeys are doing...

    clown clown clown clown

    Ryabkov has put them on notice for their next circus stunt:

    "We can appeal to common sense, demand respect for international law, and if this does not help, we can bomb. Not only on the course, but also on the goal, if colleagues do not understand," he added, answering the question of what can be done in the future to avoid incidents like the one that occurred with the destroyer Defender, including preventing this from happening with American partners.

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    Post  hoom Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:55 am

    Jesus fucking christ.
    Fire the captain.
    Fire the admiral.
    Fire the defense minister.
    They nearly fucking killed the planet.

    This is one of the probably top 5 or so things you could do to almost certainly start a shooting war between nuclear powers.
    Its clearly an intentional provocation from the UK side and its fucking insane  No

    They claim that its Innocent Passage taking the most direct line from Odessa to Georgia 'just happening to pass close to this bit of land' and its ok anyway because UK doesn't recognise it as Russian territorial waters.

    Its not Innocent Passage because they were in breach of UNCLOS Innocent Passage section in at least a couple of ways.
    Clearly in the interviews with the Captain by the BBC crew filming it he was well aware this was an intentionally provocative move.
    The fact there was a BBC crew filming it & discussing information war vs Russia shows it was also being done as an act of propaganda.
    Probably they were collecting intelligence

    UNCLOS https://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/part2.htm
    Article 19 Innocent Passage (guess what text you will not find quoted in any Western media coverage of this  angel )
    Article19

    Meaning of innocent passage

    1. Passage is innocent so long as it is not prejudicial to the peace, good order or security of the coastal State. Such passage shall take place in conformity with this Convention and with other rules of international law.

    2. Passage of a foreign ship shall be considered to be prejudicial to the peace, good order or security of the coastal State if in the territorial sea it engages in any of the following activities:

    (a) any threat or use of force against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of the coastal State, or in any other manner in violation of the principles of international law embodied in the Charter of the United Nations;

    (b) any exercise or practice with weapons of any kind;

    (c) any act aimed at collecting information to the prejudice of the defence or security of the coastal State;

    (d) any act of propaganda aimed at affecting the defence or security of the coastal State;


    (e) the launching, landing or taking on board of any aircraft;

    (f) the launching, landing or taking on board of any military device;

    (g) the loading or unloading of any commodity, currency or person contrary to the customs, fiscal, immigration or sanitary laws and regulations of the coastal State;

    (h) any act of wilful and serious pollution contrary to this Convention;

    (i) any fishing activities;

    (j) the carrying out of research or survey activities;

    (k) any act aimed at interfering with any systems of communication or any other facilities or installations of the coastal State;

    (l) any other activity not having a direct bearing on passage.

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    Post  hoom Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:28 am

    Everyone: ...
    UK:


    Some guidance for the UK govt:
    When in doubt Don't do the thing most likely to start global thermonuclear war.

    Seriously: I don't give a shit if you want to commit suicide but please don't take the rest of us with you pale

    Edit: more specifc


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    Post  Finty Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:45 am

    Azi wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:Your video last 30sec and shows their ship runing at full speed and certainly not in direction of Crimea.
    Warning shot were fired and they even droped 4 bombs.

    Only 4?

    I hear from this guy on Instagram that there were 400 bombs... nuclear ones!

    But we will never know for sure I guess

    If only there were some way of recording moving images for later reproduction...

    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-57587777 Warning shots hearable from 1:38!

    Th Bykov patrol ship makes not so a big boom with the cannon by the way!!! And sometimes...only sometimes it can happen that things are not recorded! The Su-24 threw the bombs not for advertising, it threw it as a warning and with no other plane or drone behind the Su-24 maybe recording is more than difficult, because they were thrown in the path of the HMS defender and the patrol ship was behind the HMS defender....so we talk here about a little few kilometres.

    But of course it was only a live firing exercise 1-2 km away from the british ship and not aimed at the HMS Defender. And it was not the russian territorial waters, it was ukrainian! The ship was "innocent" on a recognized traffic line!!! The brits show normally ALWAYS up than the russian practice live firing drills at sea and always at a "safe distance" of a few hundreds of meters or a kilometre or so!  pwnd  pwnd

    Good stuff, wish I could get shots of Su24s like that! All in all, just a load of tomfoolery and willy-waving, which hopefully is the worst it'll ever get. Let's be real, the Russians won't do sh*t as it's just not worth the consequences.
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    Post  hoom Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:57 am

    Finty wrote:literally kafkaesque
    Suspect
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    Post  GarryB Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:38 pm

    Perhaps this will help select a good first fitting out test for the Kuznetsov... perhaps a trip to the south atlantic to perhaps visit Argentina and all those islands in that region... lots of places to sail armed ships there...

    The fact they had BBC reporters on board, the fact that they said their had fully loaded all their weapons, and the mention that this was meant to somehow show the Russians they meant business is amusing... how would the Russians know their guns are loaded?

    But the emergency violation of Russian waters is something they can play at but what is their reaction going to be when Russian aircraft and ships and subs start violating their airspace and waters.

    Of course the purpose of this sort of shit is to provoke the Russians into responding in kind so they can then point and say.... hey... this is proof why we need to spend 300 billion pounds on Trident but can't afford to pay our Nurses and Healthcare workers a decent living wage.

    Really classy...

    But when the west wants to deride Russia they talk about their economy being the size of Spain or Texas, so perhaps we should reply in kind and describe the Mighty Royal Navy in terms of a comparison between its current size and the number of military ships China intends to float out over the next 2-3 years and their tonnage comparison...

    BTW 250kg bombs would be dangerous to surface ships if they hit the water within a few hundred metres... water does not compress so explosions underwater send a violent shock wave that is lethal to divers... it collapses their lungs being unsupported internal cavities, but it is also dangerous to ships for the same reasons...

    Essentially dropping a ton of explosives into the water would be very dangerous for a small ship.

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    Post  owais.usmani Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:55 pm

    https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/24/europe/uk-russia-hms-defender-crimea-gbr-intl/index.html

    London (CNN) A UK government minister said Thursday that Britain was prepared to sail naval vessels through disputed waters near Crimea again, a day after confrontation between a British warship and Russian forces in the Black Sea.

    I swear to God if they don't show us a nice 1080p video of KH-32 or Kinzhal in action the next time it happens I'll.......... angry attack

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:44 pm

    Like I say, if they try again, attack the ship via EW. And yeah, place mines around. Let the UK ship sink itself.

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    Post  slasher Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:44 pm

    Finty wrote:Russian Warships Came Within Just 34 Miles Of Hawaii During Recent Drills


    There has been multiple instances of increasingly provocative Russian naval activity aimed at the United States in the Pacific, among other places, in recent years.
    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/41229/russian-warships-came-within-34-miles-of-hawaiian-shores-u-s-military-confirms

    This is the second time in a few months months that the two leading NATO states, the self-declared "defenders of the free world", have not just deliberately and admittedly entered into Russia's territorial waters, but these events occurred right near the entrances of two of Russia's major naval bases: in Peter the Great Bay where there's the Pacific Fleet's home base at Vladivostok and now near Sevastopol. Add to this too US/NATO ships and submarines entering the Barent's Sea to conduct exercises for the first time since the Cold War. Only a fool would not assume that these actions were calculated, upon whatever other reasons, to confront and intimidate Russia.
    Russia appears to have responded like for like by conducting its own exercises off Hawaii, but clearly they are being pushed to respond ever more forcefully as the US and the UK continue to push the boundaries of reason and sanity. Thanks once more to Russian restraint, things did not escalate beyond the tipping point. As put by Dmitri Trenin,
    The Russia-UK incident off Crimea is not a trifle, & will worsen already charged atmosphere in relations, but it will not lead to escalation. Russia is determined to deter further challenges to status quo in the region. NATO will probably get the message.
    https://twitter.com/DmitriTrenin/status/1407669880804065280?s=20

    What is frightening is that I see no sign of letting up. On the contrary, all signs point in the direction of ever more brazen theatrics aimed at forcing Russia (and China) to back down that could end in serious consequences. Hope Russia's astute leadership continues to play this game on its own terms, responding asymmetrically and in its own time. Not allowing the West dictate the course of events or falling into any traps is critical at this time.

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    Post  Isos Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:53 am

    Warning shots being fired at that failed UK ship which can be seen in the background.

    Their story about "we didn't hear any shot" is stupid and a lie. Russians used 30mm gatling gun and were a bit away. And the british journo registered the shots so they saw the ship firing because 30mm gun sound isn't that hard which means it was quite close.

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:21 am

    slasher wrote:...What is frightening is that I see no sign of letting up. On the contrary, all signs point in the direction of ever more brazen theatrics aimed at forcing Russia (and China) to back down that could end in serious consequences...

    It will let up instantly if next time Russians drop something heavier closer to the hostile ship (as they should have now)

    Once they get some water splashed on the deck and feel the shockwave trough the hull they will think twice about doing it the third time

    Pussyfooting with 30mm at 3 km away just invites more trespassers as we have just seen

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    Post  lancelot Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:45 am

    The British were fuming not so long ago because there was a Russian submarine in the Irish Sea. Just a tit for that for continued British meddling in the Black Sea area.
    Now the British are escalating once more. Pretty pathetic really. Perhaps China and Russia need to conduct a joint freedom of navigation circumnavigation of Great Britain.

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    Post  Backman Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:28 am

    Russia did shoot at the limey ship and the limeys scurried away. Russia shot something this time. Don't buy into the propaganda bullshit that it wasn't close enough or any of that BS.

    BTW. The Oxford Atlas shows Crimea as Russian territory. Because it's not a matter of opinion. Russia is in control of Crimea. So anything the limeys say about not recognizing it is a total red herring.
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    Post  Gomig-21 Fri Jun 25, 2021 3:28 am

    GarryB wrote:
    The fact they had BBC reporters on board, the fact that they said their had fully loaded all their weapons, and the mention that this was meant to somehow show the Russians they meant business is amusing... how would the Russians know their guns are loaded?

    lol, it was such a deceptively sneaky, provocative act call it what you want and if those Brits think they could've launched even a 9mm bullet from a hand gun towards any Russian vessel or aircraft, they would've felt the wrath of the Russian navy and air force and I'm pretty sure that destroyed would've been destroyed.

    I think Russia sent a pretty strong message here and I doubt any other vessel will follow the Brit's suit. That huge NATO exercise coming up later in the summer better stay away on the other side of the Black Sea, but even so, I would've blame Russia for being royally pissed off about these things so close to its borders.
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    Post  mnztr Fri Jun 25, 2021 6:12 am

    Russia should have sent a flight of 4 SU-24s to do a low level supersonic pass. After all they are in Russian territory. They could not have expected the ship to be there. KABOOM.
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    Post  mnztr Fri Jun 25, 2021 6:14 am

    Gomig-21 wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    The fact they had BBC reporters on board, the fact that they said their had fully loaded all their weapons, and the mention that this was meant to somehow show the Russians they meant business is amusing... how would the Russians know their guns are loaded?

    lol, it was such a deceptively sneaky, provocative act call it what you want and if those Brits think they could've launched even a 9mm bullet from a hand gun towards any Russian vessel or aircraft, they would've felt the wrath of the Russian navy and air force and I'm pretty sure that destroyed would've been destroyed.  

    I think Russia sent a pretty strong message here and I doubt any other vessel will follow the Brit's suit.  That huge NATO exercise coming up later in the summer better stay away on the other side of the Black Sea, but even so, I would've blame Russia for being royally pissed off about these things so close to its borders.    

    Nah the Russian Navy is far too disciplined for that. They showed incredible discipline during the Cuban missile crisis and as a result we are all stilll here today.

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    Post  Backman Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:12 am

    mnztr wrote:Russia should have sent a flight of 4 SU-24s to do a low level supersonic pass. After all they are in Russian territory. They could not have expected the ship to be there. KABOOM.

    They should have sent su 34's. I don't know why they don't use su 34's for these missions. Far more menacing
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    Post  Mir Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:24 am

    Isos wrote:Warning shots being fired at that failed UK ship which can be seen in the background.

    Their story about "we didn't hear any shot" is stupid and a lie. Russians used 30mm gatling gun and were a bit away. And the british journo registered the shots so they saw the ship firing because 30mm gun sound isn't that hard which means it was quite close.


    One would think they would have improved their lying skills by now after decades of practice, but they still suck at it! dunno

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    Post  hoom Fri Jun 25, 2021 10:06 am

    Isos wrote:Warning shots being fired at that failed UK ship which can be seen in the background.
    Indeed.
    Shots aimed high & to the side but from directly astern is 100% intentional warning shots not weapon practice & they 1000% saw it on their EO.
    The sound is captured on the BBC reporters camera, clearly the sound of 2 bursts from a gattling gun.

    The British were fuming not so long ago because there was a Russian submarine in the Irish Sea.
    If you're referring to the fishers net incident that was more fucking lies from the UK govt.
    About 6mths after it the Royal Navy quietly put out a release admitting that the 'Russian misinformation' (that it was almost certainly a RN sub out of the main RN sub base heading north to an upcoming NATO ASW exercise) was actually true.
    It was a RN sub, they just made a big song & dance claiming it was Russian because it suited their Narrative Dominance policy.

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    Post  LMFS Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:12 am

    UK leadership are behaving like retards and losers, Russia must not and will not worsen her reputation, complicate things for herself or in any way follow their stupid game, that would only serve UK purposes.

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