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    Post  mavaff Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:11 pm

    The Black Sea Fleet, together with border guards, stopped the violation of the Russian border by the British destroyer Defender at Cape Fiolent, the Defense Ministry said.

    As noted by the Russian military, at 11:52 the British ship crossed the Russian border and entered the territorial sea at Cape Fiolent for three kilometers. He was warned about the use of weapons in the event of a border violation, but the destroyer crew did not react.
    At 12:06 and 12:08 the border patrol ship opened warning fire. After another nine minutes, the Su-24m aircraft performed warning bombing, dropping four OFAB-250s in the direction of the destroyer.

    https://ria.ru/20210623/korabl-1738233635.html

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    Post  Lurk83 Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:09 pm

    mavaff wrote:The Black Sea Fleet, together with border guards, stopped the violation of the Russian border by the British destroyer Defender at Cape Fiolent, the Defense Ministry said.

    As noted by the Russian military, at 11:52 the British ship crossed the Russian border and entered the territorial sea at Cape Fiolent for three kilometers. He was warned about the use of weapons in the event of a border violation, but the destroyer crew did not react.
    At 12:06 and 12:08 the border patrol ship opened warning fire. After another nine minutes, the Su-24m aircraft performed warning bombing, dropping four OFAB-250s in the direction of the destroyer.

    https://ria.ru/20210623/korabl-1738233635.html

    UK defence attache has been summoned to explain.

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    Post  mavaff Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:36 pm

    Lurk83 wrote:
    mavaff wrote:The Black Sea Fleet, together with border guards, stopped the violation of the Russian border by the British destroyer Defender at Cape Fiolent, the Defense Ministry said.

    As noted by the Russian military, at 11:52 the British ship crossed the Russian border and entered the territorial sea at Cape Fiolent for three kilometers. He was warned about the use of weapons in the event of a border violation, but the destroyer crew did not react.
    At 12:06 and 12:08 the border patrol ship opened warning fire. After another nine minutes, the Su-24m aircraft performed warning bombing, dropping four OFAB-250s in the direction of the destroyer.

    https://ria.ru/20210623/korabl-1738233635.html

    UK defence attache has been summoned to explain.


    Here more details:

    AIS data shows that HMS Defender was at it's closest around 10 nautical miles (18.5km/11.5mi) from the Crimean coast. The UN state that territorial waters can be up to 12 nautical miles. This would put HMS Defender 2 nautical miles or 3.7km inside 'Russian' waters around Crimea.

    https://nitter.40two.app/KyleJGlen/status/1407664107394940934#m

    Point is: some folks consider Crimea still Ukranian soil so technically that ship was not in Russian waters LOL

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    Post  Rasisuki Nebia Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:54 pm

    HMS Defender more like HMS Thug.

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    Post  kvs Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:59 pm

    mavaff wrote:The Black Sea Fleet, together with border guards, stopped the violation of the Russian border by the British destroyer Defender at Cape Fiolent, the Defense Ministry said.

    As noted by the Russian military, at 11:52 the British ship crossed the Russian border and entered the territorial sea at Cape Fiolent for three kilometers. He was warned about the use of weapons in the event of a border violation, but the destroyer crew did not react.
    At 12:06 and 12:08 the border patrol ship opened warning fire. After another nine minutes, the Su-24m aircraft performed warning bombing, dropping four OFAB-250s in the direction of the destroyer.

    https://ria.ru/20210623/korabl-1738233635.html

    These fcukers don't even choose a part of the Crimean coast that can be called in dispute but instead violate Russia's territory
    in Sevastopol which was not transferred to Ukraine in 1954. All the posturing over Ukrainian territorial integrity is pure BS.

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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:12 pm

    next time Russia should jam all their systems onboard the ship. Watch as the Brits will panic.
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    Post  slasher Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:39 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:next time Russia should jam all their systems onboard the ship.  Watch as the Brits will panic.

    A Royal Navy/NATO destroyer 3 kilometres into Russian territorial waters near the Black Sea fleet's home at Sevastopol and they didn't? They should've been peddling via social media an "unfortunate" humanitarian intervention by the Ru Navy helping the Brits off their lifeboats. Good advertizing opportunity lost to test some toys.

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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:44 pm

    Russia's kinda a pussy. They could easily do it. See how Iran did it to US.

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    Post  slasher Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:04 pm

    Wtf??

    BBC had their own propagandists/reporters on board. Clearly a planned provocation. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57583363
    Jonathan Beale, Defence Correspondent

    I am on board the warship, in the Black Sea.

    The crew were already at action stations as they approached the southern tip of Russian occupied Crimea. Weapons systems on board the Royal Navy destroyer had already been loaded.

    This would be a deliberate move to make a point to Russia. HMS Defender was going to sail within the 12 mile (19km) limit of Crimea's territorial waters. The captain insisted he was only seeking safe passage thorough an internationally recognised shipping lane.

    Two Russian coastguard ships that were shadowing the Royal Navy warship, tried to force it to alter course. At one stage one of the Russian vessels closed in to about 100m (328ft).

    Increasingly hostile warnings were issued over the radio - including one that said "if you don't change course I'll fire". We did hear some firing in the distance but they were believed to be well out of range.

    As HMS Defender sailed through the shipping lane it was buzzed by Russian jets. The Captain, Vincent Owen, said the ship detected more than 20 military aircraft nearby. Commander Owen said his mission was confident but non-confrontational.


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    The UK MoD says Russia's story is all hogwash, never happened. Seriousness of the situation being downplayed and watered down as time goes by. Seems they're deliberately pushing the narrative that it was never too serious and the Russians are exaggerating. Good PR move to appear resolute while making the the Russian's look weak and powerless. Letting the Brits/NATO so close to Sevastopol is quite surprising.

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    Post  lancelot Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:13 pm

    I guess Russia needs to pay a visit to one of the British naval bases with the PtG.

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    Post  kvs Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:39 pm

    lancelot wrote:I guess Russia needs to pay a visit to one of the British naval bases with the PtG.

    British talking heads are bitching about Russian naval ships in international waters in the vicinity of the UK. But here
    they are "sending Russia a message". What message is that? You are retards?

    I think Russia did not engage its assets in Crimea against this tub because why is there any reason to give NATzO
    intelligence value. Their impotent posturing is no sort of threat.

    NATzO deciders always assume Russians are mentally inferior. This is projection based on their own self-evident
    inadequacy.

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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:49 pm

    kvs wrote:
    lancelot wrote:I guess Russia needs to pay a visit to one of the British naval bases with the PtG.

    British talking heads are bitching about Russian naval ships in international waters in the vicinity of the UK.   But here
    they are "sending Russia a message".   What message is that?  You are retards?

    I think Russia did not engage its assets in Crimea against this tub because why is there any reason to give NATzO
    intelligence value.    Their impotent posturing is no sort of threat.  

    NATzO deciders always assume Russians are mentally inferior.   This is projection based on their own self-evident
    inadequacy.  

    Then they will continue because Russia does nothing.

    Next time, they should ram the ship then. That will send a message.

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    Post  Isos Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:19 pm

    Pathetic attempt to try to be a meaningful power in the world when everyone knows UK is just a US state not worth California.

    They should have ignored them.
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    Post  Isos Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:23 pm

    One nasty thing they could have done is realease some mini mines in front of it with a sub which can't be considered as an attack and they would have their ship.

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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:42 pm

    These donkeys of a state are being very abrasive and may create further incidences unless Russia puts them in their place. They better act tougher next time. This is seen as weakness and Brits are laughing. Even though we know the ship would have sunk within a minute.

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    Post  slasher Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:11 pm

    Russia must seriously be weighing whether or not UAV's should be allowed the same treatment as manned aircraft approaching its borders.
    In broader context, Russia's reticence in reacting more forcefully could be due to the issue of fairness. A Russian Pacific Feet task force is after all just off shore from the US Pacific Fleet's home base in Hawaii. And Russia is making more and more use of UAV's itself in conflict zones in proximity with US & Turkish forces in Syria.
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    Post  LMFS Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:29 pm

    mavaff wrote:Point is: some folks consider Crimea still Ukranian soil so technically that ship was not in Russian waters LOL

    Good to know, next time they do that they can ask Ukraine for compensation when their ship is sent to the bottom pwnd

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    Post  LMFS Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:34 pm

    slasher wrote:Good PR move to appear resolute while making the the Russian's look weak and powerless. Letting the Brits/NATO so close to Sevastopol is quite surprising.

    It depends on your perspective, they don't appear resolute to me, just pirates and pathological liars, as usually.
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    Post  Isos Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:41 pm

    You can't just sink a ship that isn't threatening you. It was just sailing and very well tracked. As far as we know it never tried to use weapons or lock on with its radars.

    It's just a political move. Nothing else.

    And BTW Macron and Merkel said earlier they want to invit Russia for a EU/Russia meeting to start their relations on a good basis without even mentionning the UK ship or supporting them. That ship must have felt lonely there surrounded by sukhois...

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:03 am


    Here is the video, pretty uneventful:





    miketheterrible wrote:Then they will continue because Russia does nothing...

    Don't know why they reported that they fired warning shots when they clearly didn't (and whole event seems to be quite a dull affair), someone in the Blacks Sea Fleet probably didn't hear about this latest invention called the camera

    Royal Navy wins the day respekt



    miketheterrible wrote:Next time, they should ram the ship then.  That will send a message.

    What message?

    That Russia plans to surrender and dissolve like USSR did before them?

    Warships have weapons for a reason but hey don't come with testicles included, that's something you need to bring for yourself





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    Post  Isos Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:21 am

    Your video last 30sec and shows their ship runing at full speed and certainly not in direction of Crimea.

    Warning shot were fired and they even droped 4 bombs.

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    Post  Azi Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:31 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Don't know why they reported that they fired warning shots when they clearly didn't (and whole event seems to be quite a dull affair), someone in the Blacks Sea Fleet probably didn't hear about this latest invention called the camera

    Royal Navy wins the day  respekt
    Royal Navy wins the clown award! They are just trolling nothing else.

    A BBC journalist was on board during the 'accident' and he heard the sounds of the explosions. Of course not direct beside the ship, this would be more an attack than a warning.

    Of course not every single scene is filmed! And the bombs were dropped a few kilometres away from the ship, to avoid unnecessary risk.

    But yes...the Brits have in some way...humor! ;D

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    Post  LMFS Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:41 am

    PapaDragon wrote:Royal Navy wins the day  respekt

    Yeah, more defeatist BS please Rolling Eyes

    https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1407678245638754307

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:50 am

    Isos wrote:Your video last 30sec and shows their ship runing at full speed and certainly not in direction of Crimea.

    Warning shot were fired and they even droped 4 bombs.

    Only 4?

    I hear from this guy on Instagram that there were 400 bombs... nuclear ones!

    But we will never know for sure I guess

    If only there were some way of recording moving images for later reproduction...



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    PapaDragon wrote:Royal Navy wins the day  respekt

    Yeah, more defeatist BS please Rolling Eyes

    https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1407678245638754307

    You deliver yourself:

    BREAKING: Russia tells USA to abandon its Black Sea “exercise” planned for late June with 5.000 soldiers & 32 ships - “The scale and clearly aggressive nature of Sea Breeze's exercises do not correspond to the real security objectives- USA uses it to supply Ukraine with weapons”

    Will they ask extra nicely this time? Pretty please? With sugar on top? love

    Here's the pro-tip: next time you try to ''fire'' a warning ''shot'' aim near the target instead the edge of the horizon

    Idea is for them to know that someone is shooting their way, not to make them think that there might be some whales splashing around way out in the distance

    If not then they should just keep their mouths shut instead of yapping on Twitter like toothless dogs



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    Post  TMA1 Thu Jun 24, 2021 5:07 am

    Nah no theatrics. Russia should just state what clearly happened and that is that. Maybe bring up the point that the UK had a state run news reporter on their ship and that this obviously points to this being a propaganda move. No need to initiate violence of any kind.

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