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    Post  kvs Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:21 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
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    Hole wrote:Didn´t know that the Netherlands are on the Black Sea. scratch

    Yet another U-ropean imperialist chihuahua dreaming of the days of past "glory".

    You are missing the point scratch
    This Dutch frigate is one of the supporting assets of QtE carrier.
    They are supposed to be in the Med.
    That is Hole's question.
    IDK dunno

    Dial it down. Clearly it is in the Black Sea to dick wave like the Brits. Why is that so hard for you to grasp this.

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    Post  Isos Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:28 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Hole wrote:Didn´t know that the Netherlands are on the Black Sea. scratch

    Yet another U-ropean imperialist chihuahua dreaming of the days of past "glory".

    Would be funny if Russia uses its Poseidon to create a tsunami against them. Their country is like 6m bellow water line lol1 .

    Win with no fight.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:38 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Dial it down.  Clearly it is in the Black Sea to dick wave like the Brits.   Why is that so hard for you to grasp this.

    That was a purpose of his question, dude scratch
    To state "it was in Black Sea lads" is enough scratch Just a simple answer.

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    Post  LMFS Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:04 pm

    flamming_python wrote:That's a pretty stupid statement, very inflammatory

    Maybe someone at NATO will also say the same thing, that a sunk Russian ship won't start WW3

    And then maybe someone will eventually try it

    Putin missed a good chance to shutup

    No it is not, just Commie bitterness over Putin again clogging your otherwise very good instinct.

    Putin has just called out the bluff of those UK retards and put them on notice that next time they might not be that lucky. US, who actually controls their nuclear arsenal, is not going to allow them to unleash a nuclear war over the loss of a ship, they will order them to take it in their arse and that's it. Russia's weight in the international sphere is growing very fast and they can live with severing the ties with Europe fully, it was just UK that badly overplayed their hand here. As to the risk of Russia being attacked, Russia does not invade UK or US territories, and when they do they can be dealt with by force as anyone. Has happened before and can happen again, Russia is in their right to deal with trespassers the way they see it fit.

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    Post  Hole Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:13 am

    ALAMO wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    Dial it down.  Clearly it is in the Black Sea to dick wave like the Brits.   Why is that so hard for you to grasp this.

    That was a purpose of his question, dude scratch
    To state "it was in Black Sea lads" is enough scratch Just a simple answer.

    No question. The netherlands have no business in the black sea. An they can`t bitch about Russias behaviour if they are on the russian coastline.
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    Post  ALAMO Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:26 am

    The Dutch navy was part of UK led operational group on daily basis.
    I remember they assisted Brits in 2016, 2018, and probably doing so in a regular manner.
    This is what NATO is all about I guess Smile
    That part used to be unclear to me because I supposed they are a part of QtE assist, tasked to operate in the Med.
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jul 01, 2021 10:15 am

    ALAMO wrote:The Dutch navy was part of UK led operational group on daily basis.
    I remember they assisted Brits in 2016, 2018, and probably doing so in a regular manner.
    This is what NATO is all about I guess Smile
    That part used to be unclear to me because I supposed they are a part of QtE assist, tasked to operate in the Med.
    They peeled off the QE carrier task group to show the flag/stir it up/be part of an exercise whilst the QE posed around the eastern Med, giving the Russians a real target to practice against south of Cyprus. Their time in the Black Sea will be up soon so I assume them and the QE will be off to Suez and the Red Sea next.
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    Post  Kiko Thu Jul 01, 2021 12:57 pm

    It's a 'spaghetti' warship's turn this time:

    Russian Navy keeping close watch on Italian warship in Black Sea, 01.07.2021

    MOSCOW, July 1. /TASS/. The Russian Black Sea Fleet is keeping a close watch on the Italian Navy’s guided missile frigate Virginio Fasan that has entered the Black Sea, Russia’s National Defense Control Center reported on Thursday.

    "The Black Sea Fleet’s forces and capabilities have started to track the Italian Navy’s guided missile frigate Virginio Fasan that entered the Black Sea on July 1," the National Defense Control Center said.

    Russia’s Defense Ministry reported on June 23 that the Black Sea Fleet jointly with the border guards of the Federal Security Service (FSB) halted a violation of the state border by the UK Navy’s guided missile destroyer Defender off Crimea’s Fiolent Cape in the Black Sea.

    The British warship ventured three kilometers into the Russian territorial waters. A Russian guard ship fired warning shots while a Su-24M bomber dropped bombs in the UK warship’s path to chase it out of Crimean waters.

    The Russian Defense Ministry slammed the UK destroyer’s operations as a gross violation of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea and urged the British side to investigate the warship crew’s actions. The following day, Russian Su-30 fighters and Su-24 bombers were scrambled to prevent the Dutch frigate Evertsen from violating the Russian border in the Black Sea.

    Currently, the Sea Breeze 2021 international military drills are running in the Black Sea with the participation of Ukraine and NATO member states. The largest maneuvers in more than 20 years will last until July 10. According to the data of the US side, the drills involve 32 countries, about 5,000 personnel, 32 warships, 40 aircraft and 18 land-and sea-based special operations groups.

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    Post  Backman Thu Jul 01, 2021 3:47 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    LMFS wrote:Nice trolling by Putin and the best threat until now

    "We were not on brink of World War III as they perfectly know they have no chance of winning, even if we sunk it they wouldn't dare to react militarily"

    https://ria.ru/20210630/putin-1739181461.html


    That's a pretty stupid statement, very inflammatory

    Maybe someone at NATO will also say the same thing, that a sunk Russian ship won't start WW3

    And then maybe someone will eventually try it

    Putin missed a good chance to shutup

    No. Its about time Putin started being inflammatory to the anglo low life

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:33 am

    Wait what? Did I totally read that letter wrong? Damnit I speak before thinking too often...So was that info intentionally leaked by the brits?

    The BBC is an arm of British Intelligence and would never have published anything if they did not have permission to do so... if the UK government didn't want that information out it would have disappeared completely... meaning someone wanted this revealed.

    That's a pretty stupid statement, very inflammatory

    Actually a very good response... as the released documents state this was an ego trip to prove to Putin and Russia how gosh darn tough the Royal Navy really is...

    This statement basically says the loss of this British ship would not be worth WWIII is a direct indication as to how important this British ship would be to the US in terms of starting WWIII... and I suspect Putin is right... not worth starting WWIII over.

    How is Britains ego now?

    Maybe someone at NATO will also say the same thing, that a sunk Russian ship won't start WW3

    Well a few years back a HATO plane shot down a Russian strike aircraft and WWIII didn't start either.

    And then maybe someone will eventually try it

    Putin missed a good chance to shutup

    Wasn't that long ago that Putins biggest fault was that he was too soft on the west... too accommodating... not hard enough... now he is too hard on those censored in the UK?

    Destroying a ship that enters russian waters isn't a declaration of war. They just protect their water. But then russian ships may be very careful not to cross Nato waters too because they will respond the same way.

    There is a difference between planning to enter waters you know you are not allowed to go in to to make a political statement against the country that controls those waters, and what Russia does... which is respect international law where ever possible.

    Just because you are carrying a gun yourself does that mean it is OK to ignore the instructions given to you by an armed police officer?

    An American cop don't expect for there to be warning shots...

    Every country uses warning shots to get compliance... ironically it was Iranian ships firing warning shots at the Blackhawk helicopter from the USS Vincennes that eventually led to an Iranian Airbus being shot down.

    Destroying a ship because it comes in your water with no intention of fighting would be just a stupid move. Escort it out with some warning shot is the good reaction. Do it once, do it twice and the third time just sink it.

    They have had the once... the second time the warning shots will not miss, but there is no likely need to sink anything... even 30mm cannon shells can do some damage so having a few of those impact the sides of your ship and you will either return fire... which means they will likely sink you, or start complying with instructions which are probably leave the area... come back a third time and there wont be warning shots but not likely to be instant sink either... only in war time is it sink on sight.

    Russia's weight in the international sphere is growing very fast and they can live with severing the ties with Europe fully, it was just UK that badly overplayed their hand here.

    More importantly now that the UK is no longer part of the EU they are even less interesting to Russia... now Russia can improve relations with the EU without caring what the UK think or do... if it is at all possible the UK has become even less important to Russia... and this lashing out was the UK trying to feel important... which makes it all the more amusing.

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    Post  11E Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:38 am

    Isos wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    Hole wrote:Didn´t know that the Netherlands are on the Black Sea. scratch

    Yet another U-ropean imperialist chihuahua dreaming of the days of past "glory".

    Would be funny if Russia uses its Poseidon to create a tsunami against them. Their country is like 6m bellow water line lol1 .

    Win with no fight.

    Ho, ho, not all of the country. I live 30 mtr above sea level. With the ''below sea level part'' destroyed my province will declare independence. I see a win-win situation Laughing Laughing

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jul 02, 2021 1:55 pm

    Rather interesting to watch the actual video of what Putin said and why he said it...



    Not very inflammatory at all really.... don't forget to push the CC button to get it translated...

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Jul 02, 2021 6:43 pm

    Having actioned the plan they have now left.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jul 02, 2021 10:08 pm

    Hahaha... they said they would do it again.

    At least they had the good sense to declare victory and then run away...
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    Post  hoom Sat Jul 03, 2021 8:31 pm

    They weren't ever going to just come back & do it like a week later, the trick with this is they come back & do it 3mths or 6mths later when people forgot how close the UK govt bought us all to WWIII.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Jul 03, 2021 8:39 pm

    hoom wrote:They weren't ever going to just come back & do it like a week later, the trick with this is they come back & do it 3mths or 6mths later when people forgot how close the UK govt bought us all to WWIII.

    WW3 over some British ship?

    You overestimate desire of modern day Americans to burn in nuclear fire for some Eurotrash

    Good luck convincing Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren to die over some whiteys from across the pond who don't know their place lol1

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    Post  Dima Sun Jul 04, 2021 2:15 am

    GarryB wrote:Rather interesting to watch the actual video of what Putin said and why he said it...



    Not very inflammatory at all really.... don't forget to push the CC button to get it translated...
    The message was very clear. If the situation warrants, Russia will sink Her majesty's ship.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Jul 04, 2021 8:43 am

    The message was very clear. If the situation warrants, Russia will sink Her majesty's ship.

    If the situation was reversed and Soviet ships started sailing into the waters of the Malvinas in the South Atlantic and kept ignoring British orders to leave the waters of the Falklands Islands because they didn't accept the vote they had to be British... what would happen that would be different?

    A Sovremmeny Class destroyer sailing 3km into the territorial waters with little British patrol ships trying to force it to exit those waters... warning shots and threats?

    Surprise surprise... it is what any country would do to enforce international law as they see it.
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    Post  Dima Sun Jul 04, 2021 12:50 pm

    GarryB wrote:If the situation was reversed and Soviet ships started sailing into the waters of the Malvinas in the South Atlantic and kept ignoring British orders to leave the waters of the Falklands Islands because they didn't accept the vote they had to be British... what would happen that would be different?

    A Sovremmeny Class destroyer sailing 3km into the territorial waters with little British patrol ships trying to force it to exit those waters... warning shots and threats?

    Surprise surprise... it is what any country would do to enforce international law as they see it.
    Russia needs to do exactly that. Deploy ships to their backyard.
    Considering Russia have hardly any friendly ports or bases around the old and new empire, they need long range and long endurance ships to take this role.

    That's one of the reason why I have been so much eager to see the 22160 with 60 days endurance and 6,000 miles range, being mass produced. 23130 will compliment its deployment.
    To rub it in a little more, it has to be navy spec'ed 22160 for Russian Border Guards for patrolling in their backyard.

    But for these to ever happen, Russian navy needs ships!
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    Post  GarryB Mon Jul 05, 2021 2:54 am

    They are going to need to send their newly upgraded Udaloys and Kirov and any Slavas they might be upgrading and of course their sole carrier out for fitting out runs that would last up to a year there is plenty of scope for testing the water there and in many other places that are contested.

    Not to mention setting an example by asking for permission and following instructions from China when sailing through the South China Seas... Twisted Evil

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    Post  AMCXXL Mon Jul 05, 2021 4:39 am

    GarryB wrote:Rather interesting to watch the actual video of what Putin said and why he said it...



    Not very inflammatory at all really.... don't forget to push the CC button to get it translated...

    I don't know what "sinking a ship" is about, I think it's just neighborhood thug rhetoric

    the Soviets talked less and did more.

    Simply kicking out intruders would be enough, as this Krivak frigate did with a Ticonderoga cruiser during the Cold War.

    My advice would be to design the ships with a reinforced bow to charge against NATO ships.

    Then would come the complaints about "Russian aggression" and blah, blah, blah, blah ... but I don't think it matters too much

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    Post  TMA1 Mon Jul 05, 2021 5:46 am

    --I don't like this evil thug rhetoric. Ramming ships is much more civilized!

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    Post  Isos Mon Jul 05, 2021 3:10 pm

    What a stupid guy. Nato should respond to any smallest act against Russia and China but Russia can't act against a ship entering its waters.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jul 05, 2021 3:34 pm

    Last time the guy was sane and sober, doing what he knows best - was still beaten by a computer with calculation skills less than Nokia 3133.

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jul 05, 2021 6:54 pm

    AMCXXL wrote:the Soviets talked less and did more.....

    Oh yeah, we all remember what they ''did'' and how they ended up



    AMCXXL wrote:Simply kicking out intruders would be enough, as this Krivak frigate did with a Ticonderoga cruiser during the Cold War....

    What is with this pussy ass prison bitch attitude? Ramming?

    Why not simply save everyone some time and just surrender and bend over like Soviets did?



    Let me ask you one thing: If Russian ship did this in US territorial waters do you think that USN would be ramming them or immediately dropping a shell in front of it with message ''Or else''?

    Do you think that USN ships during Cuban Missile Crisis would have been ramming Soviets?

    There is a reason why no Russian ship ever attempted it, they know exactly what awaits them



    Russians made morons of themselves now with that salute shot in honour of Royal Navy and they will be waiting for decades for a chance to make it right, Brits walked away from the table while they were ahead and will be living off this for a very long time

    Russians just allowed themselves to be made a bitch by a middle management



    In the meantime they will have a whole parade of Bulgarian, Romanian and ships from other nobodies running trough that same route and every time they do something about it everyone will say that they are bullying small navies because they don't have the balls to take on the tougher enemy


    Those Russian candy-ass bitches need to get it in their heads that this is not Faroe/Islandic fishing dispute and stop acting like 2$ whores



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