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    Post  franco Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:39 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:They need to be a few shades lighter for winter camo.

    Joking aside there must be lots of US and NATO gear moving in and through Poland, lots of exercises going on there and Lithuania.

    Let's hope that's all it is

    They wont strike Belarus.  Russian army would move in quickly and because the strike happened in Poland first, the US wont do squat if Russia strikes Poland back.

    The NATO military analysts have been screaming about the troop build up at Yelnya threatening Ukraine... except it is nowhere near Ukraine but right across the border from Belarus. Do the math russia

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    Post  kvs Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:41 am

    No way the yanquis are moving on Belarus via their Polish proxies.    The only game the US has is to get the Kiev regime to bait
    Russia into an intervention.   But that will not happen either since the Donbass "terrorists" can mop the floor with Kiev's paramilitary
    "army" which can only terrorize civilians.

    Biden and his handlers are in a frenzy for a summit with Putin.   The energy situation is explosive and any attempt to start
    something with Russia will screw over the US and the EU.   Mercouris makes this point and he is right.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:59 am

    Isos wrote:Belarus is stronger than Poland. They have:
    S-400 and S-300 protected by tors, buk, strela-10, Tunguskas and Osa.
    4 su-30 controling 39 Mig-29 and 60 su-25.
    Huge number of Bm-30 Smerch, bm-27 Uragan, Polonezh and Toshkas (which can be delivered from russian stocks if they need it).

    Well, yes and no.
    They don't have S-400 yet.
    And the S-300 they have, are slightly upgraded PS, with 5W55U missiles.
    Some S-400 were deployed at the Belarussian S-300PS unit in Grodno, but manned&commanded by Russia.
    That won't change the fact, that those are good enough to cover the whole eastern part of Poland, reaching Warsaw, and that Poland does not have anything to respond.
    The real game changer would be the difference in artillery potential. Belarussian Polonez-M can strike the targets in half of Poland, and is precise enough to make it effectively, facing no opponent.

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    Post  Isos Thu Nov 25, 2021 11:04 am

    I guess it's done for Russia. They can't face such army  dunno .


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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:11 pm

    Canadians need to bring forward as to why we are involved in something that has nothing to do with us and will get a lot of our own killed.

    Because the Russians do see Canada as pathetic. Because we are pathetic.

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    Post  flamming_python Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:33 pm

    Not pathetic, but just a third wheel.

    The main dish is the US presence and every question can be decided with Washington. Talking to Ottawa or London or the rest of the sidekicks is pointless. We don't even need diplomatic relations with them as such.

    kvs wrote:No way the yanquis are moving on Belarus via their Polish proxies.    The only game the US has is to get the Kiev regime to bait
    Russia into an intervention.   But that will not happen either since the Donbass "terrorists" can mop the floor with Kiev's paramilitary
    "army" which can only terrorize civilians.

    Biden and his handlers are in a frenzy for a summit with Putin.   The energy situation is explosive and any attempt to start
    something with Russia will screw over the US and the EU.   Mercouris makes this point and he is right.

    Never claimed they would

    They can however move into the Ukraine and unofficially militarize and NATO-ize it, as they have been doing for the last few years

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:47 pm

    US is simply using Canada and UK as cannon fodder.

    If push comes to shove and Russia is forced to act, there is nothing Canada or UK can do. All the Canadian and British ships in the black sea are all open targets to Bashton and Bal missiles along the cost line, not even mentioning what Russians have in terms of airforce and missile forces.

    Then the Russians have enough in just western military district forces, to roll over the entire region.

    All this does is make our soldiers an easy target.
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    Post  Isos Thu Nov 25, 2021 1:51 pm

    They are not sending thousands of troops and hardware. More like "instructors" and "observators". Those ships will be in Romania or Turkey, it's not like Canada has a ship that can threaten Russia. They have outdated ships that don't have area protection systems, just self defence air defence systems.

    So unless they send it in the middle of Sebastopol, they are useless and easy targets.
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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Nov 25, 2021 2:00 pm

    Isos wrote:They are not sending thousands of troops and hardware. More like "instructors" and "observators". Those ships will be in Romania or Turkey, it's not like Canada has a ship that can threaten Russia. They have outdated ships that don't have area protection systems, just self defence air defence systems.

    So unless they send it in the middle of Sebastopol, they are useless and easy targets.

    They are worst than useless. It just will get Canadians killed all for nothing if they do something stupid. And seeing how it's Ukrainians, doing something stupid is a guarantee.

    Of course our soldiers can't do squat. They are pathetic. Those CF-188's are old and barely a threat to a standard Su-27. Imagine against modern jets like Su-30SM or Su-35? Those hornets are done for. And the ships... might as well be canoes really.

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    Post  thegopnik Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:17 pm

    Isos wrote:Belarus is stronger than Poland. They have:

    S-400 and S-300 protected by tors, buk, strela-10, Tunguskas and Osa.

    4 su-30 controling 39 Mig-29 and 60 su-25.

    Huge number of Bm-30 Smerch, bm-27 Uragan, Polonezh and Toshkas (which can be delivered from russian stocks if they need it).

    They are U.S. favorite lapdogs if they have m1a2 deals, F-35 deals and GaN AESA PAC deals.

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    Post  Isos Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:30 pm

    If they attack Belorussia they won't have any airport or military base left where to store them...

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    Post  franco Thu Nov 25, 2021 5:37 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Isos wrote:They are not sending thousands of troops and hardware. More like "instructors" and "observators". Those ships will be in Romania or Turkey, it's not like Canada has a ship that can threaten Russia. They have outdated ships that don't have area protection systems, just self defence air defence systems.

    So unless they send it in the middle of Sebastopol, they are useless and easy targets.

    They are worst than useless. It just will get Canadians killed all for nothing if they do something stupid. And seeing how it's Ukrainians, doing something stupid is a guarantee.

    Of course our soldiers can't do squat. They are pathetic. Those CF-188's are old and barely a threat to a standard Su-27. Imagine against modern jets like Su-30SM or Su-35? Those hornets are done for.  And the ships... might as well be canoes really.

    Freeland needs more Canadian boys hanging out with her nazi family in Ukraine so the ideology can rub off pale

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    Post  medo Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:18 pm

    https://censor.net/ua/resonance/3300972/problem_s_obespechenyem_toplyvom_mynysterstva_oboron_ukrayn_nakanune_bolshoyi_voyin_zymoyi_trebuyut

    Начальник ГУР МО Кирилл Буданов заявил, что в январе 2022-го года, через полтора месяца, Россия начнет полномасштабное наступление на Украину со всех направлений. Цензор.НЕТ проверил состояние тылового обеспечения Минобороны Украины к войне в зимних условиях по состоянию на 22 ноября 2021-го года.

    Данные проверяются из открытых источников - бюджета, мониторинга системы Прозорро и источников министерстве.

    1. На тыловое обеспечение ВСУ в бюджете Минобороны предусмотрено 13,1 миллиарда гривен, однако по состоянию на 22 ноября не заключены контракты на сумму 4,2 миллиарда гривен, что составляет около 32% от общего бюджета обеспечения.

    При этом из-за провала в обеспечении Министерства обороны в 2020-м году не было использовано более 10% средств, предусмотренных на тыловое обеспечение, которые в результате были списаны в конце года для использования другими министерствами и ведомствами.

    В этом году масштабы неиспользованных средств из-за ошибок в планировании и организации закупок могут стать еще большими.

    2. Проблемы в обеспечении армии топливом. С 1 января по 22 ноября в войска поставлено топливо в объеме 22% от годового плана, фактически план обеспечения топливом сорван. Поставки топлива по плану 2021-го года начались только в октябре. Качество топлива остается при этом крайне низким.

    В бюджете на закупки топлива выделено свыше 5 миллиардов гривен, из них 1,13 миллиарда гривен сняты на финансирование других нужд. Их оставшихся 3,87 миллиардов гривен заключены контракты либо ведутся работы по заключению контрактов на сумму 2,4 миллиарда гривен. Закупки топлива на оставшуюся сумму в 1,47 миллиарда гривен не осуществлены, заключение контрактов под угрозой.

    Наибольшей проблемой является полный провал закупок арктического дизельного топлива - не закуплено ни одной тонны.

    Государство обязано немедленно применить чрезвычайные меры и в связи с угрозой начала боевых действий зимой законтрактовать из Резервного фонда Кабмина не менее 40-50 тысяч тонн арктического дизельного топлива. В январе будет поздно.

    Также острой проблемой является отсутствие закупок в течение года 3 сортов масел для бронетехники. Необходимо немедленно принять меры для исправления положения в условиях скорого начала полномасштабных боевых действий.

    В связи с подорожанием топлива возникают серьезные проблемы с исполнением некоторых заключенных контрактов.

    3. Проблемы в обеспечении армии вещевым имуществом. По данному направлению выделено 3,5 миллиарда гривен. Однако снято для финансирования других направлений около 400 миллионов гривен. Из оставшихся 3,1 миллиарда гривен в период с января по ноябрь 2021-го в войска поставлено имущества на сумму в 1,5 миллиарда гривен (42% от годового плана). На данный момент не заключены договора на сумму в 600 миллионов гривен, это также создает опасность, что их не используют и спишут в конце года на другие министерства.

    4. Руководство страны делает многократные заявления о выделении рекордных сумм на финансирование армии. Однако на практике в 2020-м году бюджет обеспечения был незаконно сокращен фактически на 10%, а в этом году урезать могут и на еще бОльшую сумму. К сожалению, какой-либо действенный контроль за бесхозяйственным отношением к обеспечению армии в государстве на данный момент отсутствует. Учитывая критически малые сроки подготовки ко вторжению, о которых сообщила военная разведка Минобороны, необходимо срочное заседание СНБО для принятия немедленных решений, прежде всего - создания запасов топлива.

    The head of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense, Kirill Budanov, said that in January 2022, after a month and a half, Russia would launch a full-scale attack on Ukraine from all directions. Censor.NET checked the state of the logistics support of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine for war in winter conditions as of November 22, 2021.

    The data is verified from open sources - budget, monitoring of the Prozorro system and ministry sources.

    1. For logistical support of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the budget of the Ministry of Defense provides for 13.1 billion hryvnia, but as of November 22, no contracts have been concluded in the amount of 4.2 billion hryvnia, which is about 32% of the total support budget.

    At the same time, due to the failure in the provision of the Ministry of Defense in 2020, more than 10% of the funds provided for logistical support were not used, which as a result were written off at the end of the year for use by other ministries and departments.

    This year, the scale of unused funds could become even greater due to errors in planning and organizing procurement.

    2. Problems in providing the army with fuel. From January 1 to November 22, the troops were supplied with fuel in the amount of 22% of the annual plan, in fact, the fuel supply plan was thwarted. Fuel deliveries according to the 2021 plan began only in October. The fuel quality remains extremely low.

    The budget allocated over 5 billion hryvnias for fuel purchases, of which 1.13 billion hryvnias were withdrawn to finance other needs. Of the remaining 3.87 billion hryvnia, contracts have been signed or work is underway to conclude contracts worth 2.4 billion hryvnia. Fuel purchases for the remaining amount of 1.47 billion hryvnia have not been made, the conclusion of contracts is under threat.

    The biggest problem is the complete failure of the procurement of Arctic diesel fuel - not a single ton has been purchased.

    The state is obliged to immediately apply emergency measures and, in connection with the threat of the outbreak of hostilities in winter, contract at least 40-50 thousand tons of Arctic diesel fuel from the Reserve Fund of the Cabinet of Ministers. It will be late in January.

    Also an acute problem is the lack of purchases during the year of 3 types of oils for armored vehicles. Measures must be taken immediately to remedy the situation in the face of the imminent start of full-scale hostilities.

    In connection with the rise in fuel prices, serious problems arise with the execution of some of the concluded contracts.

    3. Problems in providing the army with clothing. 3.5 billion hryvnias have been allocated in this direction. However, about UAH 400 million was withdrawn to finance other areas. Of the remaining 3.1 billion hryvnia in the period from January to November 2021, the troops were supplied with property in the amount of 1.5 billion hryvnia (42% of the annual plan). At the moment, no agreements worth 600 million hryvnias have been concluded, this also creates a danger that they will not be used and will be written off at the end of the year to other ministries.

    4. The country's leadership makes repeated statements about the allocation of record amounts to finance the army. However, in practice, in 2020, the support budget was illegally cut by actually 10%, and this year it may be cut by an even larger amount. Unfortunately, there is currently no effective control over the mismanagement of the army in the state. Considering the critically short timeframe for preparing for the invasion, as reported by the military intelligence of the Ministry of Defense, an urgent meeting of the NSDC is needed to make immediate decisions, first of all, to create fuel reserves.

    Ukrainian army is running out of fuel and some units are already with no fuel in Donbass. One of reasons is corruption and other is in Russian ban to sell fuel to Ukraine. Arctic diesel fuel for winter could be bought only in Russia. Soldiers also have to buy food and wood with their own money, what show, that Ukrainian army support is breaking. In occupied part of Donbass there is no electricity as TPP near Kramatorsk stop working because of no coal left in stocks and electricity from DNR could not be provided as Ukraine destroy power lines. Ukrainian army depend on diesel fuel for electricity, for tanks and for trucks for logistics. With no fuel, air defense will not work, electronic complexes will not work, communications will not work, command posts will not work, there will be no power to charge batteries for radios and drones, etc. Food shortages will be even worse as local population is very hostile for Ukrainian army. Ukrainian army is running out of time to win against LDNR army. For one month of active war in Donbass Ukrainian army did achieve nothing. Front line is unchanged.

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    Post  medo Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:09 pm

    https://topcor.ru/22837-opolchency-smogli-posadit-dron-bombovoz-vsu.html?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

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    DNR PVO landed Ukrainian drone, with three bombs attached, with ECM complex Terrikon M2N.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:43 pm

    medo wrote:https://topcor.ru/22837-opolchency-smogli-posadit-dron-bombovoz-vsu.html?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

    DNR PVO landed Ukrainian drone, with three bombs attached, with ECM complex Terrikon M2N.

    Not bombs, look at the wrapping. These are early Christmas presents Laughing

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:00 pm

    Fred Flintstone would have been ashamed making this kind of crap with Barney Shocked

    Yes, I know, no difference to the stuff ISIS used in Syria or Iraq ... but the context Shocked
    We talking about something made by a "country" that was the second military power in Europe 30 years ago only ... With third worlds space industry, great aviation heritage ...
    This is something really, really sad .

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    Post  VARGR198 Thu Nov 25, 2021 11:06 pm

    Meanwhile in Odessa, the Ukrainian army shot down a police drone which was flying above warehouses, mistaking it for a 'Russian drone'. The cost of the new DJI Matrice 300 RTK police drone with thermal camera and laser rangefinder was 1.5 million hryvnia ($ 56,000).

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    Post  GarryB Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:43 am

    Those bombs might be extra battery power... they are attached to the wrong side of the "arms" of the drone to be dropped cleanly.
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    Post  medo Fri Nov 26, 2021 4:32 pm

    Those blue boxes on drone are batteries. Bombs are those...

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    Post  medo Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:22 pm

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2021/11/24/ukraines-got-plenty-of-artillery-but-it-lacks-ammo/?sh=69016edd8037

    If we ignore a lot of BS from David Axe in this article, he enlight an important factor here. Ukrainian army is running out of artillery and MRLS ammunition. Seven years of constant shelling of civilian population well depleted their ammo stocks as well as some warehouse fires.

    If we consider here, that Ukrainian army is running out of fuel, food, etc, have low moral, except some nazi units, Ukrainian army have no chance against LDNR army. As I wrote few weeks ago, Ukrainian army have to win quickly, now they lost a whole month of war and winter is comming. I think that was all Ukrainian army could do in Donbass, what we see in this month of war. LDNR army didn't defend with full force, their army units still have exercises and trainings behind the lines and they didn't call in their reserves and was still enough, that Ukrainian army achieve nothing.

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    Post  franco Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:32 pm

    It was such a half ass attempt without any obvious end game... still wonder to the point of it all.

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    Post  kvs Fri Nov 26, 2021 6:57 pm

    franco wrote:It was such a half ass attempt without any obvious end game... still wonder to the point of it all.

    The Kiev regime bootlicks are jumping to the orders barked by their owners in Washington. The only point is to bait
    and provoke Russia. There is no other point.

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    Ukraine leader alleges Russia-backed coup planned next week

    KYIV, UKRAINE -- Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Friday claimed that his country's intelligence service has uncovered plans for a Russia-backed coup d'etat in the country set for next week that allegedly involves one of Ukraine's richest oligarchs.

    Both the oligarch and the Russian government rejected the allegations.

    At a news conference in Kyiv, the Ukrainian capital, Zelenskyy said he received information that a coup was being planned for next Wednesday or Thursday.

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/ukraine-leader-alleges-russia-backed-coup-planned-next-week-1.5683032


    It seems like The Ukraine is starting to get more desperate each passing day, Russia will have to prepare for a major provocation very soon.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:15 pm

    PhSt wrote:
    It seems like The Ukraine is starting to get more desperate each passing day, Russia will have to prepare for a major provocation very soon.

    You think it isn't?

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    Post  GarryB Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:51 am

    If we ignore a lot of BS from David Axe in this article, he enlight an important factor here. Ukrainian army is running out of artillery and MRLS ammunition. Seven years of constant shelling of civilian population well depleted their ammo stocks as well as some warehouse fires

    Such an article in Forbes suggests it is like a campaign fund raiser looking for donors to resupply them against the hated enemy...

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