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    Post  LMFS Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:41 pm

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #30 - Page 30 FGB9OmMX0AAKwUY?format=jpg&name=large
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    Made my day for many reasons

    Look at these retards going apoplectic about the supposed results of the negotiation... priceless  clown  clown  clown  clown

    https://twitter.com/OlgaNYC1211/status/1468281191321198594

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    Post  kvs Wed Dec 08, 2021 12:09 am

    Some Lautman from New York City braying for war on Russia.   How typical.

    I wonder what Putin gifted to Biden.

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    Post  par far Wed Dec 08, 2021 12:51 am

    LMFS wrote:The Situation in the Ukraine. #30 - Page 30 FGB9OmMX0AAKwUY?format=jpg&name=large
    The Situation in the Ukraine. #30 - Page 30 FGB8FpsXEAYOFFH?format=jpg&name=small

    lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1

    Made my day for many reasons

    Look at these retards going apoplectic about the supposed results of the negotiation... priceless  clown  clown  clown  clown

    https://twitter.com/OlgaNYC1211/status/1468281191321198594

    What do you expect from idiots?

    The US is going down the drain and these morons are concerned about war with Russia.

    Today, some Police Detective just said, don't visit LA because we cannot protect you. This is how fucked up the situation in the US is.

    Russia has the time on its side, slowly they will all destroy themselves.

    As for the sanctions, they don't mean shit, they will be imposed tomorrow and Russia does not give a shit.

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Dec 08, 2021 1:18 am

    LMFS wrote:...
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    Post  jhelb Wed Dec 08, 2021 7:36 am

    West has already said that they won't be able to wage a war against Russia. Just that if Russia invades Ukraine the West will impose severe sanctions against Russia.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Dec 08, 2021 7:41 am

    Looking at political ratings for Putin and Biden, one is desperate for a win, for the other it is just business as usual looking out for Russian interests.

    Biden was talking tough going in to the meeting but I doubt he got any concessions at all from Putin except a promise no to invade the Ukraine without provocation... which Putin has been saying all along.

    West has already said that they won't be able to wage a war against Russia. Just that if Russia invades Ukraine the West will impose severe sanctions against Russia.

    So this news means they are not even going to impose severe sanctions...
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    Post  flamming_python Wed Dec 08, 2021 7:59 am

    Well that's not good

    You know when Russia is being given goodwill by the US for any reason there's something sinister afoot

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    Post  Sujoy Wed Dec 08, 2021 8:17 am

    Hole wrote:Russia has her own SWIFT, her own credit cards. In less then a year half of the world would be connected to the russian systems and the west would lose another tool of repression. So please, go ahead and "sanction" Russia.
    Sanctions against Russia do not work. Sanctions on Russian individuals and companies are irrelevant, as these people and firms have no ties to the US.

    Sanctions on sovereign debt are less stringent than the initial market reaction would suggest, since they only target the primary debt market and can therefore easily be circumvented via the secondary market. In fact many law firms in E.U survive by helping local companies circumvent sanctions against Russia.

    Moreover, Russia is one of the largest exporter of minerals. So U.S can't stop the flow of $$ into Russia. OTOH if Russia bans western companies from mining in Russia prices of minerals will skyrocket.

    I get the impression that this entire anti Russia mindset is a Anglo-Saxon thing and they have exported this mindset to some East European countries. However, other European countries like France, Germany, Italy are not necessarily anti Russian.

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    Post  Mir Wed Dec 08, 2021 8:27 am

    The "red line" was pretty thin! Maybe Vlad had a certain someone's hard drive up his sleeve dunno
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    Post  LMFS Wed Dec 08, 2021 11:07 am

    Time for some pretty hard mental gymnastics in the US:

    The pipeline is not fully operational yet. In fact, for the West, it is a lever. Putin wants to see Nord Stream 2 working. Therefore, he probably will not want to go over to the invasion of Ukraine.

    https://en.topwar.ru/189935-sovetnik-po-nacbezopasnosti-ssha-vladimir-putin-mozhet-ne-povyshat-risk-vtorzhenija-na-ukrainu-esli-poluchit-garantii-nachala-raboty-gazoprovoda-severnyj-potok-2.html

    That is ten points from me, first you invent the non existing aggression, then you lower your pants, then you justify the second by claiming it allowed to avert number one. BRAVO

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Dec 08, 2021 11:25 am

    What do we even talk about? scratch
    A country whose sailors were put on knees by the Iranians.
    A country whose strategic drones are being shot down by the Iranians.
    A country whose tactical drones are regularly "kidnapped" by the Iranians, who are playing with them later, smashing into the ground, or landing for evaluation.
    A country whose surveillance plane was crushed by the Chinese.
    A country struck by Iranian ballistic missiles salvos, smashing two of their main airbases in the region.
    And capable of doing shit about that.
    Going to war with Russia?
    A nuclear superpower, outnumbering them with logistic&power in Europe by a factor of 7, as they state in RAND publications?
    24:1 in artillery, and infinity:1 in ballistic theatre missiles?
    Yeah, sure.
    They can fight Russia to the last Ukrainian, Pole or Pribalt Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Hole Wed Dec 08, 2021 12:44 pm

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    Biden never had a chance against this team Laughing

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Dec 08, 2021 1:27 pm

    Hole wrote:The Situation in the Ukraine. #30 - Page 30 Fgczco10
    Biden never had a chance against this team Laughing

    That is why he gives up just at the beginning.
    He probably misunderstood Putin's "hello" with a friendly "Hande hoch!" Laughing

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    Post  kvs Wed Dec 08, 2021 1:48 pm



    Ukria begged Canada for more military advisors and was told none would be supplied. So the mighty Kiev regime "army"
    still needs more Canadian advisors after 7 years? Seriously? You can't make this shit up.

    The foaming at the mouth North American chihuahua, Canada, has also demonstrated how much substance there
    is behind all of its trash talk. Maybe the Ottawa Citizen newspaper (if it still exists, LOL) can send over some turds
    in wrappers to help the Kiev regime.

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    Post  kvs Wed Dec 08, 2021 1:52 pm

    LMFS wrote:Time for some pretty hard mental gymnastics in the US:

    The pipeline is not fully operational yet. In fact, for the West, it is a lever. Putin wants to see Nord Stream 2 working. Therefore, he probably will not want to go over to the invasion of Ukraine.

    https://en.topwar.ru/189935-sovetnik-po-nacbezopasnosti-ssha-vladimir-putin-mozhet-ne-povyshat-risk-vtorzhenija-na-ukrainu-esli-poluchit-garantii-nachala-raboty-gazoprovoda-severnyj-potok-2.html

    That is ten points from me, first you invent the non existing aggression, then you lower your pants, then you justify the second by claiming it allowed to avert number one. BRAVO

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    The NATzO west is obsessed with the notion that Russia is desperate to export natural gas to U-rope.   All of the motive
    attributions (aka projections) that pivot on this insane delusion are naturally insane delusions as well.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Dec 08, 2021 1:58 pm

    You know what is the point of bringing more "advisers to the scene.
    There is a chance that some of them will meet their ancestors, and that would heat up the situation.
    That is the Ukropistani logic.

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    Post  medo Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:37 pm

    kvs wrote:

    Ukria begged Canada for more military advisors and was told none would be supplied.   So the mighty Kiev regime "army"
    still needs more Canadian advisors after 7 years?   Seriously?   You can't make this shit up.

    The foaming at the mouth North American chihuahua, Canada, has also demonstrated how much substance there
    is behind all of its trash talk.   Maybe the Ottawa Citizen newspaper (if it still exists, LOL) can send over some turds
    in wrappers to help the Kiev regime.


    I don't think Western armies will send instruktors in Donbas war after Aleppo bombing. They know, Russians and LDNR as well will not spare them. In Aleppo RuAF effectively bomb command center with NATO instructors insede, who command and control terrorist's defense of Aleppo city. As I know, non survive there. They are not ready to die for Banderastan...

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    Post  VARGR198 Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:49 pm

    https://twitter.com/xnDMfJ9unsGZx4e/status/1468425744539860993 This sums up Ukraine perfectly.

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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:52 pm

    VARGR198 wrote:https://twitter.com/xnDMfJ9unsGZx4e/status/1468425744539860993 This sums up Ukraine perfectly.

    That made my day. Lol.

    Thanks

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    Post  par far Wed Dec 08, 2021 6:22 pm





    A good summary of how thing are right now.

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    Post  Krepost Wed Dec 08, 2021 6:27 pm

    Here is how I summarize the results of the video-meeting:

    What Putin gets:
    - Promise that NATO will not expand Eastward
    - Promise that there will be no sanctions on NS2
    - Promise that Russia will not be cut out from SWIFT

    What Biden gets:
    - Promise that Russia will not invade 404

    What country 404 definitely gets:
    - Less military assistance and weapons
    - No Russian gas transited after 2024
    - Independence... and a feeling of being "thrown under the bus" if above promises are broken

    Basically, Putin maintained the status quo which means:
    - Relative peace (important for Russia's development)
    - Further degradation of 404's economy

    Not bad for a day's work for Vladimir Vladimirovich.

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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Dec 08, 2021 6:50 pm

    Russia wasn't even gonna invade Ukraine. I think Americans never figured it out and thought they may get Russia to not do it, not realizing russias plan would have been to let LDNR forces to do it for them and Russia simply strikes from within their own territory for support.

    Russia won this. But as said by the Duran, Nuland and fellow retards will try and do anything to prevent any kind of peace for Russia.

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    Post  Isos Wed Dec 08, 2021 7:04 pm

    What are talking about ? You bring those conclusions from your ass.

    The whole thing is about getting real agreements for nato to stop extension because previous "promises" were not kept by NATO which extended toward russian border.

    That Putin/Biden meeting achieved nothing. Very likely Russia will go in in January because UK are still sending weapons, US senat just signed 300 million $ military help for Ukraine and France/Germany are still not pushing Ukraine to talk with Donbass. And Stoltenberg said No to russian red lines of not letting Ukraine in Nato.

    Unlike during the last build up where the forces weren't composed enough for an attack, this time they did bring everything they need to invade Ukraine.

    Ukraine is fucked. And since nato haven't sent any reinforcement on its eastern border they won't intervene.

    That's pretty clear. War is coming. Biden had a last chance to stop it but he just sold Ukraine away. Better for him that Russia destroys it and forget the issue than have a country like Ukraine as his own problem. They can't sustain to spend billions on that corrupted country neither can they admit it so they just let russian take it.

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    Post  kvs Wed Dec 08, 2021 7:13 pm

    No weapons that NATzO supplies to Banderastan make any difference. NATzO will have to invade Ukraine and do its fighting for
    it to ethnically cleanse the Donbass. That ain't happening.

    We have no information what threats Biden's handlers made to Putin. They probably tried to threaten Russia with "nuclear option"
    sanctions in some pathetic attempt to force Russia to throw the Donbass under the bus. These threats are delusional on all levels.
    They have no significant value for Russia and the Ukrian "army" was never going to achieve its genocidal objectives anyway.

    miketheterrible is 100% right.

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    Post  LMFS Wed Dec 08, 2021 7:57 pm

    Krepost wrote:Here is how I summarize the results of the video-meeting:

    What Putin gets:
    - Promise that NATO will not expand Eastward
    - Promise that there will be no sanctions on NS2
    - Promise that Russia will not be cut out from SWIFT

    What Biden gets:
    - Promise that Russia will not invade 404

    What country 404 definitely gets:
    - Less military assistance and weapons
    - No Russian gas transited after 2024
    - Independence... and a feeling of being "thrown under the bus" if above promises are broken

    Basically, Putin maintained the status quo which means:
    - Relative peace (important for Russia's development)
    - Further degradation of 404's economy

    Not bad for a day's work for Vladimir Vladimirovich.

    US' promises are worth less than zero, but the impotence of the West has been made acutely patent and Russia won more time. The real question is how the internal fight in the US is evolving, I don't want to be too optimistic but I sense that the neocon bunch has seen better days. This is what these psychos are talking about right now, hold on to your seat:



    Regarding what did the US try with this stupid meeting with Putin which just saw them folding on every aspect (Biden even wants Russia- NATO talks to address Russia's security concerns), it seems to me that we do not know all the relevant details. Probably some part of the US establishment has been using the most deranged ukie factions to "solve" the Donbass issue their way and involve US and NATO in a too big shit of a conflict that Biden had to defuse. Maybe, I am not even sure, because today there is no such a thing as a US government or foreign policy, it is a freakin madhouse


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