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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #30

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    Post  medo Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:22 pm

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2021/11/24/ukraines-got-plenty-of-artillery-but-it-lacks-ammo/?sh=69016edd8037

    If we ignore a lot of BS from David Axe in this article, he enlight an important factor here. Ukrainian army is running out of artillery and MRLS ammunition. Seven years of constant shelling of civilian population well depleted their ammo stocks as well as some warehouse fires.

    If we consider here, that Ukrainian army is running out of fuel, food, etc, have low moral, except some nazi units, Ukrainian army have no chance against LDNR army. As I wrote few weeks ago, Ukrainian army have to win quickly, now they lost a whole month of war and winter is comming. I think that was all Ukrainian army could do in Donbass, what we see in this month of war. LDNR army didn't defend with full force, their army units still have exercises and trainings behind the lines and they didn't call in their reserves and was still enough, that Ukrainian army achieve nothing.

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    Post  franco Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:32 pm

    It was such a half ass attempt without any obvious end game... still wonder to the point of it all.

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    Post  kvs Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:57 am

    franco wrote:It was such a half ass attempt without any obvious end game... still wonder to the point of it all.

    The Kiev regime bootlicks are jumping to the orders barked by their owners in Washington. The only point is to bait
    and provoke Russia. There is no other point.

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    Post  PhSt Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:06 am




    Ukraine leader alleges Russia-backed coup planned next week

    KYIV, UKRAINE -- Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Friday claimed that his country's intelligence service has uncovered plans for a Russia-backed coup d'etat in the country set for next week that allegedly involves one of Ukraine's richest oligarchs.

    Both the oligarch and the Russian government rejected the allegations.

    At a news conference in Kyiv, the Ukrainian capital, Zelenskyy said he received information that a coup was being planned for next Wednesday or Thursday.

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/ukraine-leader-alleges-russia-backed-coup-planned-next-week-1.5683032


    It seems like The Ukraine is starting to get more desperate each passing day, Russia will have to prepare for a major provocation very soon.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:15 am

    PhSt wrote:
    It seems like The Ukraine is starting to get more desperate each passing day, Russia will have to prepare for a major provocation very soon.

    You think it isn't?

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    Post  GarryB Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:51 pm

    If we ignore a lot of BS from David Axe in this article, he enlight an important factor here. Ukrainian army is running out of artillery and MRLS ammunition. Seven years of constant shelling of civilian population well depleted their ammo stocks as well as some warehouse fires

    Such an article in Forbes suggests it is like a campaign fund raiser looking for donors to resupply them against the hated enemy...
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    Nothing to worry. The canadian air force is coming to the rescue! Laughing

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    Post  par far Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:09 am

    "Who Wants Some Ukraine?"

    https://thesaker.is/who-wants-some-ukraine/

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    Post  kvs Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:32 am

    par far wrote:"Who Wants Some Ukraine?"

    https://thesaker.is/who-wants-some-ukraine/

    Orlov is right, Ukria is not even viable as a NATzO colony. It is too corrupt and the nazionalist Banderite identity
    is an externally forced contrivance. If Ukria had the makings of a non-failed state, they would have been able to
    restart tank production after 8 years. Instead, their industries are simply disappearing.

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    Post  franco Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:41 am

    kvs wrote:
    par far wrote:"Who Wants Some Ukraine?"

    https://thesaker.is/who-wants-some-ukraine/

    Orlov is right, Ukria is not even viable as a NATzO colony.   It is too corrupt and the nazionalist Banderite identity
    is an externally forced contrivance.   If Ukria had the makings of a non-failed state, they would have been able to
    restart tank production after 8 years.   Instead, their industries are simply disappearing.  


    I watched a mainstream US cop show (a vice) last night in which the Russians were shown in a more positive light then Ukrainians in the present conflict... who know dunno Of course the bad guy turned out to be someone even more evil then the Ukrainians... the owner of a US corporation affraid

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    Post  par far Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:30 am

    kvs wrote:
    par far wrote:"Who Wants Some Ukraine?"

    https://thesaker.is/who-wants-some-ukraine/

    Orlov is right, Ukria is not even viable as a NATzO colony.   It is too corrupt and the nazionalist Banderite identity
    is an externally forced contrivance.   If Ukria had the makings of a non-failed state, they would have been able to
    restart tank production after 8 years.   Instead, their industries are simply disappearing.  



    All the educated people have left Ukraine(most went to Russia because they saw a good opportunity.)

    I would love to know how many Ukrainians that worked in Ukraine in the factory's that produced engines, are now working in Russia, I am thinking a lot.

    Ukraine before 2014 was the main supplier of all types of engines to Russia(I think Ukraine before 2014 provided Russia with more engines than Russia produced, could be wrong.)

    Right now I think the only people left in Ukraine are the elderly, the Nazi's, the Nationalists and the poor souls that cannot get out.

    It is only going to get worse, whenever the pandemic is over, I think even more people will leave Ukraine.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:56 am

    Any country that cuts off its primary customer and does not immediately replace that main customer with a new one that is prepared to buy everything their cut off customer bought is going to suffer badly.

    They clearly didn't fully understand their actual relationship with Russia... specifically how dependent they were, and also overestimated how dependent Russia was on the Ukraine.

    The cost of this divorce has been immense for Ukraine, and while it has led to problems and delays and difficulties for Russia too, in the long run Russia is replacing Ukrainian products and services with Russian products and services, which includes redesigning and upgrading existing products from scratch to actually make them better.

    It also means for exporting Russian products they don't need support or permission from the Ukraine.

    In the short term it has certainly impacted their transport aircraft industry and that is not going to get solved until engines complete development and new aircraft get into production, but in the mean time there is good progress in designing new replacement aircraft but delays with engines to get replacements into production and service.

    For many other countries such problems would have been devastating, but in the longer term it just expands the range of products the Russians can offer to third party customers.

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    Post  medo Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:57 pm



    In Ukrainian regions, there is no gas, heating and now even electricity is provided in hours per day. And winter not yet started...

    Ukraine with destroyed economy is one large black hole and US and EU don't have money to live Ukraine, nor they are willing to live them. US and EU want to give whole Ukraine to Russia to finance and live Ukraine to block russien enormous grow of power. Russia doesn't want to take Ukraine, just Donbass and maybe Odessa. The rest will be no man's land as Western power will leave Ukraine to themselves as they are not ready to finance it.

    Some Ukrainians already got it, that they destroyed themselves and that no one will help them.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:35 pm

    medo wrote:

    In Ukrainian regions, there is no gas, heating and now even electricity is provided in hours per day. And winter not yet started...

    Ukraine with destroyed economy is one large black hole and US and EU don't have money to live Ukraine, nor they are willing to live them. US and EU want to give whole Ukraine to Russia to finance and live Ukraine to block russien enormous grow of power. Russia doesn't want to take Ukraine, just Donbass and maybe Odessa. The rest will be no man's land as Western power will leave Ukraine to themselves as they are not ready to finance it.

    Some Ukrainians already got it, that they destroyed themselves and that no one will help them.

    Could have told them all that 8 years ago. And many people did

    Either way, their problem really dunno

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    Post  nero Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:19 pm

    I am not sure if this has been posted before:

    https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2021/11/26/7315356/

    Zelensky's direct speech : "The probability of escalation (at the border and in the ORDLO on the part of Russia - ed.) Is…

    I think that those political forces that say that we need to go (on the offensive - UE), to go to war, do not seem to imagine, and do not think… More precisely, do not think about our army.

    We will not go anywhere now. I believe that people come first. We cannot lose our entire army. She is powerful, she will take more than… But… It is impossible today. I think that's wrong today. "


    Combine that with reports of food, oil and lubricant shortages in the Ukrainian army and you'll very quickly figure out what the real situation on the ground is. Beyond some zealots (the ultra-nationalists) no one wants to participate in an offensive there because they know they're going to die.

    What is interesting to think about is what'll happen when there is nothing else left to plunder out of Ukraine.

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    Post  medo Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:52 pm

    nero wrote:I am not sure if this has been posted before:

    https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2021/11/26/7315356/

    Zelensky's direct speech : "The probability of escalation (at the border and in the ORDLO on the part of Russia - ed.) Is…

    I think that those political forces that say that we need to go (on the offensive - UE), to go to war, do not seem to imagine, and do not think… More precisely, do not think about our army.

    We will not go anywhere now. I believe that people come first. We cannot lose our entire army. She is powerful, she will take more than… But… It is impossible today. I think that's wrong today. "


    Combine that with reports of food, oil and lubricant shortages in the Ukrainian army and you'll very quickly figure out what the real situation on the ground is. Beyond some zealots (the ultra-nationalists) no one wants to participate in an offensive there because they know they're going to die.

    What is interesting to think about is what'll happen when there is nothing else left to plunder out of Ukraine.

    In this month of active war in Donbass, Ukrainian army was not able to push through LDNR defensive lines. When they started this war on Oktober, it was clear, that they have to win quickly as their time window is short, so attack must be with full power. Now that moment is over and I think this time window with december and winter is closing. Ukrainian army is running out of fuel, food and ammunition and LDNR defense didn't fight yet with full force. Now with a big boost for LDNR economy with Russian integration with Putin's presidential order, LDNR army will quickly become more powerful than Ukrainian although smaller in size. This was last opportunity for Kiev, US and NATO also know that. When LDNR army will become more powerful, than Ukrainian, there will be no need for Russian army to bother with Ukraine, it will be Donetsk, who will deal with Ukraine and rule in part of it.

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    Post  Arrow Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:56 pm

    There is currently no active war in Donbas. There is only occasional low-intensity artillery fire. There are no major troop movements.

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    Post  LMFS Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:01 am

    medo wrote:In Ukrainian regions, there is no gas, heating and now even electricity is provided in hours per day. And winter not yet started...

    Ukraine with destroyed economy is one large black hole and US and EU don't have money to live Ukraine, nor they are willing to live them. US and EU want to give whole Ukraine to Russia to finance and live Ukraine to block russien enormous grow of power. Russia doesn't want to take Ukraine, just Donbass and maybe Odessa. The rest will be no man's land as Western power will leave Ukraine to themselves as they are not ready to finance it.

    Some Ukrainians already got it, that they destroyed themselves and that no one will help them.

    Novorussia can be a self managed territory with strong links to Russia but not directly part of the same country. If the cultural and structural damage done by the West is repaired after a couple of generations, maybe a reunification could be possible. But in the current conditions, Russia has no need and no desire for almost any part of Ukraine, and most Ukrainians have no desire of such union either, so to attempt that would not be logical. What in any case Russia is entitled to do is to prevent the ukronazies from becoming a serious threat to their national security, hence why removing that scum from power and putting ample territories under the control of friendly forces is justified IMHO.

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    Post  medo Mon Nov 29, 2021 1:48 am

    Arrow wrote:There is currently no active war in Donbas.  There is only occasional low-intensity artillery fire.  There are no major troop movements.

    It is. Ukrainian army constanly every day try to push through on all parts of front line in DNR and LNR. Of course there are no major troop movements, Ukrainian army have all available units on the front line and as they could not break defensive lines, they could not move anywhere. Ukrainian artillery fire is intensive in sectors, where they try to crash LNR or DNR defense, and LDNR artillery fire back. Ukrainian army is now quite limited with fact, that they are running out of fuel and ammunition, but this doesn't mean, that war in Donbass is not active. In low-intensity times, Ukrainian army was limited to mortar shelling on near vilages and drone attacks.

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    Post  VARGR198 Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:21 am

    Ukrainian propagandist, editor-in-chief of Censor net" Yuri Butusov, fired a 152 mm caliber D-20 howitzer -at Donbass republics. Before the shot, he made a speech to the camera that he shot at "Russian aggressors". 152 mm caliber is prohibited by the Minsk agreements. Video

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    Post  Isos Mon Nov 29, 2021 4:01 am

    They seriously think they can face russian army with their 20 outdated mig-29 and 100 t-84 ?

    I saw on twitter a morron calling their turkish drones "game changers".

    They will be really surprised when they will have 50 su-34 and 100 su-25 above their heads destroying all their hardware in matter of 2 days.

    Ukrainian leaders better start negotiations directly without nato supervisors and make big concessions. The only other end is their coubtry being bombed.

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Nov 29, 2021 4:39 am

    medo wrote:
    nero wrote:I am not sure if this has been posted before:

    https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2021/11/26/7315356/

    Zelensky's direct speech : "The probability of escalation (at the border and in the ORDLO on the part of Russia - ed.) Is…

    I think that those political forces that say that we need to go (on the offensive - UE), to go to war, do not seem to imagine, and do not think… More precisely, do not think about our army.

    We will not go anywhere now. I believe that people come first. We cannot lose our entire army. She is powerful, she will take more than… But… It is impossible today. I think that's wrong today. "


    Combine that with reports of food, oil and lubricant shortages in the Ukrainian army and you'll very quickly figure out what the real situation on the ground is. Beyond some zealots (the ultra-nationalists) no one wants to participate in an offensive there because they know they're going to die.

    What is interesting to think about is what'll happen when there is nothing else left to plunder out of Ukraine.

    In this month of active war in Donbass, Ukrainian army was not able to push through LDNR defensive lines. When they started this war on Oktober, it was clear, that they have to win quickly as their time window is short, so attack must be with full power. Now that moment is over and I think this time window with december and winter is closing. Ukrainian army is running out of fuel, food and ammunition and LDNR defense didn't fight yet with full force. Now with a big boost for LDNR economy with Russian integration with Putin's presidential order, LDNR army will quickly become more powerful than Ukrainian although smaller in size. This was last opportunity for Kiev, US and NATO also know that. When LDNR army will become more powerful, than Ukrainian, there will be no need for Russian army to bother with Ukraine, it will be Donetsk, who will deal with Ukraine and rule in part of it.

    Why would the Ukrainian army be running out of anything? They can have all their ammo, replacement parts, fuels, spare vehicles delivered from the former Warsaw Pact now NATO member states, as last time in 2014-2015.
    But really they have a lot of things on their own.

    The front line hasn't moved this past month because there is no active war and active offensive.

    End of.
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:58 am

    You know, in regards to the reports of shortages and so on, of course the Ukrainian military is riddled with corruption and problems, the defense industry is running on fumes, much of the ammo has been lying around for decades and so on

    But I do tend to believe that they can scrounge up enough for what they need, the stores they have of military supplies date back from the Soviet era and they were massive back then. If not, then they can always get it supplied from NATO. So far publicly at least, the US/UK, as well as France/Germany have not made any public statements disavowing a Ukrainian invasion of the Donbass, nor are there any indications that privately pressure is being put on the Ukrainians to stop plans for an offensive.
    Instead over the past 2-3 weeks we've been seeing non-stop reports of Russia preparing to invade the Ukraine, which is indicative of the war drums being beat and Washington preparing its population to support the Ukraine in hostilities over the rebel regions. In any case we can constitute that at the very least supplies will flow to the Ukraine of whatever they need. The West still has a use for its Ukraine project, well in fact its the same use as from the beginning - to use it as a weapon against Russia. Including as a suicidal torpedo if all else fails.

    Rather I think the reports are more indicative of anti-regime propaganda efforts, as well as demoralization and a lot of people at all levels getting cold feet over the war plans. The downside of asserting all the time that the Ukraine is facing the Russian military in the Donbass is that people will start to believe that, with the according consequences.
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    Post  ALAMO Mon Nov 29, 2021 2:43 pm

    flamming_python wrote:You know, in regards to the reports of shortages and so on, of course the Ukrainian military is riddled with corruption and problems, the defense industry is running on fumes, much of the ammo has been lying around for decades and so on
    But I do tend to believe that they can scrounge up enough for what they need, the stores they have of military supplies date back from the Soviet era and they were massive back then. If not, then they can always get it supplied from NATO. So far publicly at least, the US/UK, as well as France/Germany have not made any public statements disavowing a Ukrainian invasion of the Donbass, nor are there any indications that privately pressure is being put on the Ukrainians to stop plans for an offensive.
    Instead over the past 2-3 weeks we've been seeing non-stop reports of Russia preparing to invade the Ukraine, which is indicative of the war drums being beat and Washington preparing its population to support the Ukraine in hostilities over the rebel regions. In any case we can constitute that at the very least supplies will flow to the Ukraine of whatever they need. The West still has a use for its Ukraine project, well in fact its the same use as from the beginning - to use it as a weapon against Russia. Including as a suicidal torpedo if all else fails.
    Rather I think the reports are more indicative of anti-regime propaganda efforts, as well as demoralization and a lot of people at all levels getting cold feet over the war plans. The downside of asserting all the time that the Ukraine is facing the Russian military in the Donbass is that people will start to believe that, with the according consequences.

    It is not that easy, boys.
    Yes, they had waste storage of everything 30 years ago, and that was the fuel of most local conflicts in Africa and Asia for the last 30 years, too.
    Those stocks are sold out and depleted.
    Go back & check the ammo storages that cooked off occasionally a few years ago, and see with your own eyes, what is left there. And hey! Those mystery emergency situations used to happen in the ones, that were better handled, as stored Smerch or Hurricane missiles. Or Tochkas. Twisted Evil
    We are talking about a country, that does not produce its own ammo anymore.
    But there is not much difference.
    What country produces own ammo supply matching the Ukr needs?
    Well ... that would be Poland, Czech, Bulgaria ... and that is much it dunno Hungary opened own small arms&ammo factory, but those are Czech licenses, and NATO standard already. Croatia has some ammo factory either, but same story - mostly NATO standard ammo.
    The only really usable stocks out there would be ex-WarPac. But there is not much left, too. The biggest was in Poland, but that was optimized years ago, come sold, some destroyed, some spent, and finally, some delivered to Ukropistan already.
    The Polish army does not use neither 7.62x39, nor 5.45x39 for years. We had some small storage of Tantals, but most of those were sold.
    There is just the same situation with the rest of them, with countries like Bulgaria earning solid cash for supplying exWarPac stocks and standards to all "in need", mostly a different colour of terror groups. They won't give it as a gift, not now in 2021 Laughing Maybe back in 2015, we saw pics like Hungarian heavy gear transported to Ukropia .. but time has changed. Bulgaria is licking Russia's dick and pretends they really like it, while Hungary is watching and gives some polite advice from backstage ...
    Keeping the troops with a loaded gun, is not cheap. Ukropia can't afford that.
    That was one of the most serious outcomes from the Russian strategic maneuvers back there - ze Wezt was standing with a dropped jar, seeing how relatively easily, Russia can transfer a HUGE masses of own troops, along the whole territory. This is a dealbreaker. That was just same fun to watch the comments in Summer, when the last peak of hostilities took place.
    And I disagree that the west has any plans towards Ukropia. They don't. But they have no bloody idea how to proceed with it, as the result is more fucked than they assumed. Remember, that the solution for Ukraine debated&agreed under the EU support and supervision back in 2014, was not the one made by force later. A political solution, with interim government, early elections, and some constitutional changes - all of that was already happening. And that was the point, US stepped in with nazi battalions and Maidan mass murder.
    In fact, UE was screwed by the US.
    I suppose, that EU in real prays for Russia invading, and taking the shit away from them. But those nasty Russkies, denied to show up on the own war, again! scratch Laughing Laughing

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