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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #30

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    Post  miketheterrible Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:29 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:All in due time.  They will try to get in back.

    This will just be another nail in the OSCE coffin.

    No. Russia will continue to "cooperatate" with the OSCE indefinitely.

    They already pushed out OSCE on their end of the border. Guess you don't keep up.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Oct 18, 2021 8:51 am

    The OSCE is clearly a corrupt politicised anti Russian organisation... there is little value for Russia to continue cooperating with such a perverted organisation... there are no benefits and plenty of problems with them on the ground... they ignore violations by Kiev or simply do nothing about them, and clearly the information they gather is more use to Kiev than to Russia or the local people.

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:10 pm

    franco wrote:The stay of the OSCE mission in the Rostov region ends

    In connection with the expiration of the mandate, a group of OSCE observers at the Gukovo and Donetsk checkpoints of the Russian-Ukrainian border has completed their work. In the near future, all OSCE staff will leave Russian territory.

    “The deployment of this field presence in the summer of 2014 was a manifestation of our goodwill,” A. Zaitsev, Deputy Director of the Information and Press Department of the Russian Foreign Ministry , said at a September 30 briefing. - We agreed to this as a measure of confidence, hoping thereby to induce the Ukrainian authorities to choose the path of a peaceful settlement of the conflict in Donbass. Unfortunately, for 7 years, this step has not met with proper understanding and response from the Kiev authorities and their Western partners. Moreover, the very presence of OSCE observers was used by a number of states as an excuse to incite confrontation, to put forward increasingly aggressive and absurd demands against us. In these conditions, it was inappropriate to extend the mandate of the group ”.

    A. Zaitsev then recalled that the mission had been deployed even before the signing of the Minsk agreements, it was not mentioned either in Minsk-1, or in Minsk-2, or in subsequent documents of the Contact Group. In this regard, the Russian side considers inappropriate any claims against itself on the grounds of not extending the mandate of the OSCE group.

    We have no complaints about the activities of the group itself, - said the deputy director of the Department of Investment and Development. “She worked smoothly, clearly fulfilled the mandate's prescriptions, and effectively interacted with the Russian authorities.” He especially drew attention to the fact that over the entire period of its work, the group did not record any movement of troops or military equipment across the border from Russia to Donbass.

    For the Ukrainian side, however, this does not mean anything. A new stream of fabrications on this score was not long in coming. "We consider such a decision of the Russian Federation as evidence of its plans to continue and increase the supply of weapons, military equipment, ammunition, regular troops and mercenaries to the temporarily occupied territory of Ukraine in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, which may lead to further escalation in the zone of the Russian-Ukrainian armed conflict," - immediately declared the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry.

    However, the decision to close the mission is not subject to revision. On October 12, the staff of the OSCE mission began removing official vehicles from the territory of their headquarters, which is located in the city of Kamensk-Shakhtinsky at the Grand Hotel. The mission has enough time to carry out all the necessary administrative procedures to wind down its activities.

    https://www-ritmeurasia-org.translate.goog/news--2021-10-16--prebyvanie-missii-obse-v-rostovskoj-oblasti-prekraschaetsja-56914?utm_source=politobzor.net&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB&_x_tr_pto=nui




    Is this organization what this article talking about, or some Russian organization??


    OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine

    https://www.osce.org/special-monitoring-mission-to-ukraine?fbclid=IwAR3Qo0CqoFA-FpNHOFt0HS9orr1zDuvo16QjGtSwxx_zfNG4fnGpI_rJDyY

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:15 pm


    1 OCT, 16:25
    OSCE mission’s mandate at Russian-Ukrainian border fulfilled impartially — mission’s head
    Ambassador Gyorgy Varga stressed, that the Observer Mission has been an important confidence-building measure for more than seven years

    MOSCOW, October 1. /TASS/. The OSCE Observer Mission at the Russian checkpoints Gukovo and Donetsk at the Russian-Ukrainian border was a major instrument of trust-building and impartially fulfilled its mandate, which expired on September 30, Ambassador Gyorgy Varga, Chief Observer of the OSCE Observer Mission said in an interview with TASS.

    "The mandate was, under the principles of impartiality and transparency, to report on the situation at the Russian border checkpoints of Donetsk and Gukovo, as well as on the movements across the Russian-Ukrainian border," he said. "Since I took office, and well before that, the Mission fulfilled its mandate, uninterrupted."

    "The Observer Mission has been an important confidence-building measure for more than seven years and its uninterrupted presence at the two border checkpoints has been an important element of the OSCE’s response to the crisis in and around Ukraine," he stressed.

    According to the chief observer, the mission has done its utmost to ensure the OSCE’s presence on the section of the Russian-Ukrainian border, which is not controlled by Kiev. "From 29 July 2014 until 30 September 2021, we have not left both checkpoints for a minute. We have observed and reported on the situation and the cross-border movements in an impartial and transparent manner. Our reports have been made available to the 57 participating States and the public in English and Russian," he said.


    https://tass.com/world/1344967
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    Post  franco Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:35 pm

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:

    Is this organization what this article talking about, or some Russian organization??


    OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine

    https://www.osce.org/special-monitoring-mission-to-ukraine?fbclid=IwAR3Qo0CqoFA-FpNHOFt0HS9orr1zDuvo16QjGtSwxx_zfNG4fnGpI_rJDyY


    Yes, it refers to the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine. The purpose was to monitor the Russian border with the Donbas to ensure no weapons were being transported across it. It was a volunteer move by Russia for the past 7 years however they felt it had become obsolete and unappreciated.

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:09 pm

    franco wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:

    Is this organization what this article talking about, or some Russian organization??


    OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine

    https://www.osce.org/special-monitoring-mission-to-ukraine?fbclid=IwAR3Qo0CqoFA-FpNHOFt0HS9orr1zDuvo16QjGtSwxx_zfNG4fnGpI_rJDyY


    Yes, it refers to the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine. The purpose was to monitor the Russian border with the Donbas to ensure no weapons were being transported across it. It was a volunteer move by Russia for the past 7 years however they felt it had become obsolete and unappreciated.  

    Oh okay, I understand now.
    Thanks, franco.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Oct 20, 2021 6:22 am

    And it was no where near impartial or fair... it was a tool used by Europe in the ground amongst people they could care less about because they saw them as pro Russian Ukrainians.

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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:13 pm

    GarryB wrote:And it was no where near impartial or fair... it was a tool used by Europe in the ground amongst people they could care less about because they saw them as pro Russian Ukrainians.

    Go on Reddit and you will find people think they are active Russian soldiers and Ukrainians are so strong and capable, they held back the Russian invasion.

    People are that fucking dumb

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    Post  GarryB Thu Oct 21, 2021 5:11 am

    They need to tell themselves that... because the alternative is too dire... if they don't have a powerful military... what do they have?

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:41 am

    Who is old enough to remember 2008?
    Laughing Twisted Evil
    remind yourself of the rage in the Murica, when the shitstream informed about "evil Russkies invading Georgia" Laughing
    National Guard from Alabama was ready to the rescue, just waiting for Captain Murica to finish his donut. A whole box.

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:35 pm

    GarryB wrote:They need to tell themselves that... because the alternative is too dire... if they don't have a powerful military... what do they have?

    Oh ****, it gets better. You see, it's some kind of thread section about dumb Russians or something, like 2,500 people strong, which think Russian military is all dilapidated and Ukraine is fully modern.

    I shit you not. These people don't know anything beyond their two feet but they are so damn deluded, it's both scary and sad.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:32 pm



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    #NATO is already quietly building bases in #Ukraine.
    Military analyst Viktor Baranets identified 9 places that permanently host US and British militaries.
    https://kp.ru/daily/28345/44


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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:43 pm

    These aren't really bases.  They would be empty pretty fast if Russia decided to start marching westward.

    US did same in Georgia, Syria, etc. In end, they fled or claimed any dead were "mercenaries and not active US forces". Remember the dead black guys in Georgia?
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:52 pm

    Our stupidity knows no bounds.

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    According to the Times, the UK is considering selling Brimstone missiles for Ukrainian patrol boats (looks like Gyurza-M-class artillery boats) and helicopters.
    https://thetimes.co.uk/article/47fa87


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    Post  ALAMO Thu Oct 21, 2021 9:08 pm

    That sole would mean that the Ukr MIC is dead meat.
    I can't remember now the name of the missile that should be in the inventory of this bloody "mosquito fleet", but it was presented as a universal equivalent to Kornet.
    So .. where is it?

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    Post  GarryB Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:22 am

    These people don't know anything beyond their two feet but they are so damn deluded, it's both scary and sad.

    Excellent news because it means if push comes to shove they wont be a big problem to deal with.

    It makes things easier when an enemy overestimates its own potential and underestimates you and yours.

    I can't remember now the name of the missile that should be in the inventory of this bloody "mosquito fleet", but it was presented as a universal equivalent to Kornet.

    Shershin or something isn't it?

    Perhaps Russia should offer Argentina some MiG-29SMTs and offer Kh-35s and Kh-31s for their load outs...

    Offer them on a lease to create interest in the region for new MiGs and offer to build support depots there to make sure they are fighting fit...

    That sole would mean that the Ukr MIC is dead meat.

    Yes... the well meaning but short sighted west destroyed farming and markets in Africa with their food aid that pushed most farmers already suffering from drought conditions to even more drastic positions... who will buy food when food is handed out free...

    The west is not interested in Ukrainian weapons but has plenty of its own weapon makers that want new customers and western MICs make a lot of their money on military aide to countries... in this case the Ukraine will have to buy these weapons or the British taxpayer will pay for them, so the makers of Brimstone get paid either from money donated to the Ukraine or direct from the UKs purse... we don't even know if the Ukrainian Navy even wants it or if it would work... but the Ukrainian MIC misses out on work for the only customer it is likely to get reliably.
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    Post  ALAMO Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:02 am

    GarryB wrote:

    Shershin or something isn't it?

    Barrier I belive.

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    It is double as much interesting, because this system was a cone of the Polish Pirat ATGM program.

    Here it is :
    The Situation in the Ukraine. #30 - Page 12 Ukraine_and_Poland_to_develop_Anti-tank_Guided_Missile_called_Pirat_925_001

    And here is the Barrier :

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    GarryB wrote:
    Yes... the well meaning but short sighted west destroyed farming and markets in Africa with their food aid that pushed most farmers already suffering from drought conditions to even more drastic positions... who will buy food when food is handed out free...
    The west is not interested in Ukrainian weapons but has plenty of its own weapon makers that want new customers and western MICs make a lot of their money on military aide to countries... in this case the Ukraine will have to buy these weapons or the British taxpayer will pay for them, so the makers of Brimstone get paid either from money donated to the Ukraine or direct from the UKs purse... we don't even know if the Ukrainian Navy even wants it or if it would work... but the Ukrainian MIC misses out on work for the only customer it is likely to get reliably.

    Seriously wonder how it will inflict our Pirat program if any.
    Ukrainians are desperate to make its MIC living, so why would they buy a missile system that has no advantages over your own ?
    Shershen you have mentioned, used to be an active program, exported, developed, and quite interesting to be honest.
    The Barrier was in development either, its improved version has a 152 mm caliber and extended body, making it a close to Krizantema.
    Where is a place for Brimestone here?

    It is just the same level of stupidity presented by the Polish rulers. We produce Spike family at Mesko, with localization reaching 40%. Pirat project was tested, and proven interesting and capable. And they have bought Javelins. Off the shelf, with no consultations.

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:55 pm


    Some nice LOLZ and ROFLS for y'all Cool


    Missiles ‘aimed at Moscow’: Adviser to Ukraine’s Zelensky warns Kremlin that war with Kiev would spell ‘end of Russia’ & its army

    https://www.rt.com/russia/538367-zelensky-warns-kremlin-russia/


    Kiev is working on long-range missiles that can reach Moscow, and Russia's President Vladimir Putin needs to realize that any attack on Ukraine could see his entire country obliterated, a top Ukrainian official has warned.

    Speaking to the Dom TV network, Alexey Arestovich warned the Kremlin that his country would soon have the ability to hit the Russian capital with its missiles. Arestovich serves as an adviser to the office of Ukraine’s leader Volodymyr Zelensky.

    “Putin will get to the point, in the foreseeable future, where Ukrainian missiles will be aimed at Moscow, and for one simple reason: we are working on a missile program,” he explained. “And our operational-tactical missiles will be able to reach Moscow.”

    In Arestovich’s opinion, the Russian Army is already aware of Ukraine’s military capabilities, and the heads of the armed forces are telling the Kremlin that an attack on Ukraine “would be the end of the Russian army and the end of the Russian Federation.”

    “This is an absolutely losing option. They cannot fail to understand that,” he added. “And when they scare us with an invasion, an expansion, a hint of threats – it’s a bluff....
    ...

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:13 pm

    Ok, well if those missiles aren't nuclear, then it's safe to know that their missiles aren't really a threat then.

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    Post  lyle6 Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:19 pm

    >And our operational-tactical missiles will be able to reach Moscow.
    Absolutely true. Kubinka could always use some more trophies on display...

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    Post  VARGR198 Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:47 pm

    I read on twitter a couple of days ago of reports that Ukraine's president had offered Russia to let them transit their oil through Ukraine at 50% the regular price. Couldn't find a proper article to confirm, but if true its showing how desperate he is getting after all the anti-Russia retoric.
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    Post  GreyHog Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:46 pm

    VARGR198 wrote:I read on twitter a couple of days ago of reports that Ukraine's president had offered Russia to let them transit their oil through Ukraine at 50% the regular price. Couldn't find a proper article to confirm, but if true its showing how desperate he is getting after all the anti-Russia retoric.

    I believe that this is the article, from kommersant.ru (in Russian):

    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5049144?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop

    Below is the link to yandex-translated kommersant article:

    Zelensky offered Gazprom a 50% discount on transit over the contract

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Oct 25, 2021 6:09 pm

    lyle6 wrote:>And our operational-tactical missiles will be able to reach Moscow.
    Absolutely true. Kubinka could always use some more trophies on display...

    While Ukraine does have a point that they can cause massive damage with their tactical missiles, and it is something Russia will have to take into consideration. Missiles from Yemen has proven to be extremely effective. So in this regard, Russia will have to take extra precaution by adding in more BUK, TOR, PANTSIR and S-whatever to all key structures and formations to protect from Ukrainian missiles.

    But it will be safe to bet that majority of Ukraines missiles will not work very well. Poor accuracy and probably a ton of duds, also being rather basic enough which gives it easy pickings for Russian AD systems.
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    Post  nero Mon Oct 25, 2021 6:28 pm

    Any missile attack on Moscow is (likely) going to be considered nuclear and appropriately responded to.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:43 pm

    VARGR198 wrote:I read on twitter a couple of days ago of reports that Ukraine's president had offered Russia to let them transit their oil

    Gas not oil you meant to say.

    The transit of oil through Ukraine is never mentioned. There is no alternative to that pipeline, leaving only tankers, to ship that oil into Europe.

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