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    Post  kvs Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:07 pm


    Officials said a group known as APT29 — also known as “Cozy Bear” — was likely to blame for the attack. They said the group, which is believed to be associated with Russian intelligence, used spear phishing and custom malware to target vaccine researchers.

    So they were hacking account passwords via phishing? What a joke. I would never reply to any phish email about an account
    at my place of work since it has no commonality with bank or similar accounts. I know that I will never receive any account
    email from some "admin" for these accounts. In university environments, the "admin" is more than likely someone in your own
    research group. Even if they can phish out some VPN password to reach the university, they still do not have the passwords
    to the computers on the university network.

    Again, electronic spying on vaccine research is inane. The technological devil is in the physical realm of vaccine strains and
    laboratory equipment. The data they can get that is in the form of pre-prints on some lab-associate computer or email is
    already public domain.

    I find it funny how this propaganda is tuned to the expectations of the average Winblows PC users. "Malware". bounce Laughing Laughing Laughing
    The computers that are used to run lab equipment are not even running Winblows but run Linux. Winblows is a consumer
    POS that is not useful for real time data acquisition and direct access to hardware. That latter is why people who design satellite
    instruments still use DOS. DOS allows them direct hardware control. Winblows doesn't. Accessing lab computers is rather
    useless anyway since only the processed data has any value. The hackers are not going to have full control of a lab with
    a computer and lab equipment computers are not the processing nodes for the data.
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    Post  kvs Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:10 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Population of Moscow was 13M many years ago. It's safe to say Moscow area proper is about 15M and city itself is about 13.5M.

    500 people is a total joke.

    The massive (over 300,000 people) anti-Iraq war protests in London and other major western cities were ignored by the BBC, CNN, etc.
    But some collection of paid idiots in Russia is supposed to be the manifestation of the will of the Russian people. GTFO.
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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:15 pm

    kvs wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Population of Moscow was 13M many years ago. It's safe to say Moscow area proper is about 15M and city itself is about 13.5M.

    500 people is a total joke.

    The massive (over 300,000 people) anti-Iraq war protests in London and other major western cities were ignored by the BBC, CNN, etc.
    But some collection of paid idiots in Russia is supposed to be the manifestation of the will of the Russian people.   GTFO.

    Doesn't help that some people, even here on this forums, cant do basic math and just regurgitate news as if it's important.
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    Post  nomadski Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:58 pm

    Looks like Boris the Brexitier and Co,  after diving into their new world of... I hate those Continentals, they are stealing our fish and taking our jobs on the farm, that we will never do ourselves, when Romanian surfs will do it for us . And then abandoning Northern Ireland  into a happy marriage with Brussels. And Scotland soon to join. Dreamt of a world where, the English reformed the Empire and the common wealth into a new union, where the Indians and Chinese would offer them new exotic dishes. In return for political posts, in the UK government, as token blacks, for the new subjects of the Empire to see and envy.

    But alas, the road to this exotic restaurant was closed by the Yanks, who wanted to feed them chlorinated Chicken and MacDonalds topped with limp and warm  Gurkins. Now salivating and sad, coronivirused and desperate. With empty coffers. They have no choice but to go west. Into the world, of the ever shrinking man. Singing the Yanks drinking song. Of they interfered ( in something) or they took our something . And we hate Huawei. Their new chart topper .

    BTW, as soon as any vaccine is found, it will be duplicated by everyone.


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    Post  kvs Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:55 am

    It turns out that the charges against Safronov are based on years of evidence collected that he was working for Czech intelligence
    services (and hence NATzO). So the Egypt thing was part of his task to undermine Russia. It's going to be hard for any serious
    analysis to tie the whole case to the sale of jets to Egypt. The tome of evidence dating back to years before this leaking of state
    secrets under the guise of "journalism" is hard to deny.

    I am not surprised that the Czechs are running intelligence operations in Russia. They are pathetic NATzO bootlicks who want to
    prove their worth to their masters. They also have an inferiority complex associated with their Salvic heritage. Being assimilated
    by the anti-Slav Catholic realm means endlessly hating oneself and trying to prove one's worth.

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    Post  Hole Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:56 am

    For decades now the western media tells their audience that all russian politicians/businessmen and so on are criminals and/or corrupt. Which is BS for maybe 90% of them (except "minor" crimes like tax avoidance scemes which is also some sort of sport in the west). As soon as one is detained because there is real evidence, somethin magical happens: he (or she) turns innocent in the eyes of the western media.

    For years now I ask myself how far the western MSM would go in this propaganda. Would they defend a paedophile because he claims he hates Putin?
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    Post  kvs Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:49 pm

    Hole wrote:For decades now the western media tells their audience that all russian politicians/businessmen and so on are criminals and/or corrupt. Which is BS for maybe 90% of them (except "minor" crimes like tax avoidance scemes which is also some sort of sport in the west). As soon as one is detained because there is real evidence, somethin magical happens: he (or she) turns innocent in the eyes of the western media.

    For years now I ask myself how far the western MSM would go in this propaganda. Would they defend a paedophile because he claims he hates Putin?

    Yes they would.   In fact, pedophelia is being promoted as a viable belief system by the NATzO MSM and self-anointed SJWs.   This is no joke.   The
    BBC used a pedo-queer advocate, Peter Thatchel, as the authority on gay rights in Russia during the time of the Sochi Olympics
    since that is when the anti-queer propagandizing of minors (recruitment) was made illegal in Russia.
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    Post  Hole Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:33 pm

    At least that guy is a critic of illegal western wars.
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    Post  kvs Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:22 am



    DW the German yanqui bootlick propaganda orifice is forecasting that global warming will expand Russia's wheat growing real estate
    and this will enable "the Kremlin" to leverage wheat as a weapon.  

    This is the rabid, degenerate hate spew that the western MSM is routinely aiming at Russia and its own consumer sheeple.  
    Anyone can produce such childish BS.   If you have a clue and pay attention, the yanquis and their minions leverage their
    crop output for political gain.   So the fear mongering accusations about Russia are total bloody hypocrisy.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:12 pm

    VVP living rent-free in Benighted Dingdumb/Great Shitstain's head! Cool Razz  
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    They chop their own dick and balls with a cleaver.....and blame someone else for it lol! Rolling Eyes

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    Post  kvs Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:39 pm

    It really is just a pathetic attempt to douse the flames that are burning down the house.    Herding the sheeple together with
    the "great enemy".   This is similar to the 1930s Nazi Germany (Godwin can go fuck himself, his brain fart means that Germany
    can never be compared to any other country undergoing similar processes, which is pure BS).  

    But any new drang nach osten from the west is going to result in the west being glassed this time around.   These mass murdering
    cunts will not be able to hide behind some ocean moat and reap profits like the USA did during WWII.   There will be no GDP increase
    from a war on Russia, there will be oblivion.
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    Post  Cyberspec Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:55 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:VVP living rent-free in Benighted Dingdumb/Great Shitstain's head! Cool Razz  

    They chop their own dick and balls with a cleaver.....and blame someone else for it lol! Rolling Eyes

    Part of this anti Russia campaign is because they have suffered "losses" in the information war...a sizeable proportion of their own population doesn't believe their own MSM, so they have to constantly larp on about Russian disinformation, malign influence and so on

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:11 am

    The hilarious thing is that if you replace their country with the word Russia and their leadership with Putins name then it is actually probably accurate what they want to do and what they try to do... and for many westerners it therefore makes these stories highly likely because it is something we would do and it is what we think...
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    Post  LMFS Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:37 pm

    GarryB wrote:The hilarious thing is that if you replace their country with the word Russia and their leadership with Putins name then it is actually probably accurate what they want to do and what they try to do... and for many westerners it therefore makes these stories highly likely because it is something we would do and it is what we think...

    It is a good old rule of propaganda, to accuse the others of what you are doing pirat

    Have been following the evolution of Western propaganda for a number of years and I think we have already reached full war-time propaganda mode, which just makes it very clear what comes next. Distressing as the situation may be, I feel it even more concerning the fact that most Westerners remain completely oblivious to it, as if it was not their lives that are being carelessly put on the line...
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    Post  kvs Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:45 am

    The Japanese regime has been in full bore aggression mode recently. Various ministers have been threatening to shoot down Russian
    aircraft trying to land on the "occupied" "norther territories". This has prompted Russian defense ministry officials to threaten to
    attack both Japanese and American military assets in Japan in retaliation and to demand an apology for the bellicose rhetoric from
    the Japanese.

    The Japanese are acting like the clowns in Yugoslavia, who thought they were invincible with US backing. The Baltic chihuahua statelets
    are the same thing. Acting all tough and threatening to Russia since they think that "invincible" Uncle Scumbag has their back.
    The only think in their back is yanqui schlong.

    Japan is one of the most absurd countries on the planet. They really believe their revisionist WWII "we were victims" fairy tale
    and think that they have some sort of legal rights to lost territories. This is on top of Japan being a US protectorate that acts
    like a yanqui sock puppet.


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    Post  andalusia Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:49 pm

    I was watching a documentary about George Bush on PBS last night and Dick Cheney said that when Gorbachev singed a document on German reunification that he agreed to NATO expansion. This was in response to Putin complaining about NATO expanding to Russia's border. Is that true?

    I get the impression he was just a gullible fool who was taken for a complete ride. Not to get a proper treaty preventing NATO expansion was inexcusable. It could have gone a long way to preventing the situation we face today. Georgia and the Ukraine would probably never have happened. Everything he touched went to rat s**t. All you can say in his favour is that the shambling drunk of a western puppet who succeeded him, Yeltsin, was even worse.

    ‘My word is your bondage’ should be Diplomacy 101 for all Russian would-be diplomats.

    I am sure Russia sees little difference in there being one day, one year or five years between Poland leaving the Soviet Bloc and joining NATO. The semantics of language do not hide geopolitical intent.

    The universal US-UK-NATO attitude is that the word of Westerners is NOT their bond and the sole aim of diplomacy is to screw the Russians.

    We see 30 years on that US bases sit everywhere in old Soviet Socialist Republics surrounding Russia. No American cares that their word is worth nothing, will not be seen as worth anything in the 21st century either.

    The ICC is worth nothing because Americans are extra-judicial nowadays. So are Israelis. Russia should use that as leverage…

    USAID is a classic NGO front to implement US meddling and mischief. Russia should spy on it unceasingly, exposing the dark underbelly of activities carried out under its cover.

    Nordstream II is a classic ‘Trade is only allowed according to US rules’ gambit. All US oil and gas interests should be vigorously opposed even when win-win deals can be struck. Israel should be required to back Nordstream II or face diplomatic sanctions….or worse.

    Why on earth should Russia trust anything the West says or does when history proves only that the West will neither conclude nor uphold treaties with integrity where geopolitical relations with Russia are concerned?

    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2014/11/06/did-nato-promise-not-to-enlarge-gorbachev-says-no/
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    Post  LMFS Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:09 pm

    For anyone who understands Western supremacism it is simply obvious that they will not respect any norm or any deal, since serving their own interests leads to a greater good for mankind (!!) That is the remarkable way their deranged brains work... Obama is on record saying as much BTW Embarassed

    Russians understand this well, as they understand that destroying Russia is a geopolitical imperative for the West, so I think we should not be concerned about their level of awareness or about them taking necessary precautions, as the progressive strengthening of their position relative to the West proves.

    As to Gorbachev, he was a looser and a scumbag and only cared about being accepted by the West. He sold Russia in ways foolishness alone cannot even come close to explain or justify...
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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:36 pm

    As an example with Flaming Python - Russians hearts are in the right place, but their brains are not.

    Russians are aware of the west wanting to destroy them. But there are two major issues in Russia:
    1) There are far too many opportunists who want their own benefits on the behest of the nation - meaning they dont give a shit if their country is destroyed. So long as they can get their BMW or whatever.
    2) Too many so called patriots who want to bring into power the very people who destroyed them in the first place - wannabe communists.

    Patriotism is what is needed in Russia to prevent the nonsense propaganda of the west. Generally I see Russians are aware and much more smart on average. But there are still a ton of them that truly believe Putin is the devil. And that he is whats wrong with Russia. I laugh at them of course. These same people know fuck all about economics.

    The biggest change is the constitutional change in Russia. This move is what will cement Russia further and make it more of a fortress. But much has to be changed.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:23 pm

    The Daily-Yeast Infection claims Russia bombed the port in Beirut, Lebanon. Didn't realize mental hospital patients wrote for them! lol1

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    Post  kvs Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:45 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:The Daily-Yeast Infection claims Russia bombed the port in Beirut, Lebanon. Didn't realize mental hospital patients wrote for them! lol1

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    From the colour of the plume you can tell it was not any high explosive bomb. So Russians need to use ammonium nitrate
    to bomb countries? Everyone in Lebanon knows that this stored ammonium nitrate that exploded. Attempts to
    pin this on Russia are an insult to the intelligence.

    But this POS article actually supports my view that the ammonium nitrate was detonated by some NATzO-Israeli operation
    to destabilize Lebanon. The usual accuse your "enemies" of your own crimes is at play here.

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    Post  Hole Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:50 pm

    There was a german expert analysing the whole explosion for the media. You can see flashes of fireworks in the first explosion, then the ammonium nitrate exploded and afterwards oil caught fire and resulted in the black smoke.

    One remark to andalusia about the eastward expansion of NATO. Russia accepted the expansion of some NATO elements into eastern germany, nothing more.
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    Post  kvs Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:31 pm

    Hole wrote:There was a german expert analysing the whole explosion for the media. You can see flashes of fireworks in the first explosion, then the ammonium nitrate exploded and afterwards oil caught fire and resulted in the black smoke.

    One remark to andalusia about the eastward expansion of NATO. Russia accepted the expansion of some NATO elements into eastern germany, nothing more.

    Not to nit pick, but this expert is not an expert.   The colour was not black it was clearly red-brown.   That is the NO2 released in vast quantities
    from the detonation of NH4NO3.   It is not an option or a speculation, it is physics fact.   NO2 is what gives jet exhaust its brownish colour.  

    Also, oil would not produce a red-brown mushroom cloud since it does not detonate, but burns.   Any oil burning had no impact in this case.
    It was all due to NH4NO3 detonating.  

    As for the warehouse security, we won't know if the guard(s) were murdered since there is likely no body left to do an autopsy on.   And
    the NH4NO3 would not spontaneously detonate or even catch fire.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:19 am

    I was watching a documentary about George Bush on PBS last night and Dick Cheney said that when Gorbachev singed a document on German reunification that he agreed to NATO expansion. This was in response to Putin complaining about NATO expanding to Russia's border. Is that true?

    Gorbachev has said in interviews that it was his expectation that when Soviet forces were withdrawn from eastern europe that US and UK and French forces in Germany would be withdrawn and essentially europe would be demilitarised of foreign forces in countries... so each country would only have its own forces based there.

    He wouldn't think that if he had signed such a document now would he?

    At the end of the cold war the Bush administration was all about... Russia hasn't lost the cold war.... by getting rid of communism they actually won and it should not be about winners and losers... we just need to look at how we are all going to move forward.... and BTW HATO will not expand.

    I get the impression he was just a gullible fool who was taken for a complete ride.

    He believed the US government and what the officials of the time were saying... but of course the next election time comes and there is no way the Bush administraiton is not going to use the fact that America single handedly won the cold war and Russia lost to try to win another term in office.... politicians would never do that... NOT.

    Gorby was naive... but the western politicians were lying scumbags too.

    Not to get a proper treaty preventing NATO expansion was inexcusable. It could have gone a long way to preventing the situation we face today. Georgia and the Ukraine would probably never have happened. Everything he touched went to rat s**t. All you can say in his favour is that the shambling drunk of a western puppet who succeeded him, Yeltsin, was even worse.

    Gorby was always more popular overseas than at home... Yeltsen ended up the same... and for the same reasons... western propaganda is powerful.

    The universal US-UK-NATO attitude is that the word of Westerners is NOT their bond and the sole aim of diplomacy is to screw the Russians.

    Deny deny deny... I did not have sexual relations with that woman... even though he did.

    But there were no consequences... that is democracy for you.

    We see 30 years on that US bases sit everywhere in old Soviet Socialist Republics surrounding Russia. No American cares that their word is worth nothing, will not be seen as worth anything in the 21st century either.

    Well another way of looking at it was that Eastern Europe was a buffer zone for Russia so any future major war would not be fought out on her soil, but realistically a nuclear war is not going to involve enemy armour... the US could put its entire army in Poland reading to roll in to Russia... the solution for Russia is not to put every tank they have on their borders ready to meet them... it is to launch tactical nuclear weapons and vapourise them while they are in Poland.

    Russia doesn't need buffer states any more... they are too high maintenance these days anyway... Russian subsidies to Ukraine and Belarus are enormous.... it would make more sense to use Russian ports and trade with countries further away that want to work in a more balanced and honest way...

    The ICC is worth nothing because Americans are extra-judicial nowadays. So are Israelis. Russia should use that as leverage…

    Russia cannot expect fair rulings from european or international organisations.

    They should start by stopping funding such organisations, and seek to make alternatives to existing broken institutions...

    USAID is a classic NGO front to implement US meddling and mischief. Russia should spy on it unceasingly, exposing the dark underbelly of activities carried out under its cover.

    Russia doesn't need to fight the US, just remove its potential to do harm to Russia... so banning USAID and other corrupt politicised NGOs from Russia is already being done. Just a quick check of where an org gets its funding should be sufficient to decide on its own.


    Nordstream II is a classic ‘Trade is only allowed according to US rules’ gambit. All US oil and gas interests should be vigorously opposed even when win-win deals can be struck. Israel should be required to back Nordstream II or face diplomatic sanctions….or worse.

    US opposition to NSII is just further evidence if any was needed to show that the US does not like fair competition, and prefers to stack the deck in its own favour... they can't compete fairly with piped gas... too cheap and always available.

    Ironically I don't think Russia should be supplying Germany and the EU with cheap energy... well via south stream to allies like Serbia and not so hostile countries like Greece and Italy is good... but most of the rest can pay five times more for freedom gas...

    Personally I think they should complete North Stream II by making it go to Kaliningrad where it can be used as cheap energy for the locals, and processed into LNG there as well and then shipped to Germany and they can pay the higher price LNG costs for processing and shipping... if they want cheap gas build a factory in Kaliningrad or Russia and use piped gas.

    Why on earth should Russia trust anything the West says or does when history proves only that the West will neither conclude nor uphold treaties with integrity where geopolitical relations with Russia are concerned?

    Just as importantly anything they do sign they can do what they have been doing... claim Russia is breaking the deal with no proof or evidence and then withdrawing from the deals and then revealing their own systems that broke the deal they were working on but clearly wanted out of the deal so they could openly test... but everyone says it was Russia that was breaking the deal.

    The INF treaty is case in point.... AEGIS Ashore is a land based MK-41 vertical missile launch system designed to launch Tomahawk cruise missiles... which directly violates the INF treaty.... whether they load it with missiles or not.

    As an example with Flaming Python - Russians hearts are in the right place, but their brains are not.

    The thing is that there are just as many in the west who are the same... they believe that the west is not perfect but it is basically a force for good so even when they screw up and lots of people die that things are now better than they were... it is like... all the reasons to invade Iraq were wrong and made up and it was all about control of their oil production... but killing Saddam made it all worth it right?

    It seems they are told that Saddam and Gaddafi and Assad is like living in Guantanimo Bay and getting rid of them is better for the people... when the people who replace them are normally hand picked by the west and almost always much much worse... but because the western media does not give a shit... they cheer lead to start wars.... they don't care about the mess that is created by them.

    Ask any person from the west if their politicians lie if their media lie and many will say they do, but when their media and politicians claim Putin is to blame then they believe it without any evidence... because no one is giving them an alternative view.
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    Post  kvs Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:01 pm



    A case of pro-western propaganda in Russia.   Some idiot yanqui "student" of 28 years got into a fight with a couple
    of women when the cops showed up he got violent with them.   So he was arrested and then attacked the driver
    of the cop car (don't they have plexiglass separators?) and nearly caused a crash.   For his patently criminal behaviour
    he got a 9 year prison term.  

    Now the liberasts are baying that he is a poor oppressed student who is persecuted by totalitarian Russia.    The
    fact that he was a US marine is conveniently ignored.   At his age it implies that he washed out of the US Marines
    so likely has issues.

    The grotesque thing about this is that such behaviour would have resulted in US cops shooting him dead.  And nobody
    would be bitching about his "persecution".   But in Russia even violent crime is OK as long as the approved people do
    it.   This what liberasts are, they are the Russian version of woke SJW drones.

    Also, they love handing out long prison terms in the USA. So 9 years is perfectly OK. It is some sort of European
    fetish to give short terms even for murder (e.g. 15 years).

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:31 pm

    they can bitch and moan all they want. In the end, it just shows how stupid they are and how much they are hated in Russia, and since they arent above the law, well, this dope is behind bars!

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