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    Post  ALAMO Tue Dec 21, 2021 8:43 am

    Have some faith in humanity, buddy! Laughing
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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Dec 21, 2021 8:53 am

    ALAMO wrote:Have some faith in humanity, buddy! Laughing

    I wish I did, but even some members here made me lose what little faith I had left. Lol. Although, some give me hope.
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    Post  Mir Tue Dec 21, 2021 9:51 am

    This is the real pandemic of our time. Those that make it to the top of the pile had to steal, lie and cheat (and even kill) on their way there.
    Psychopaths rule the world and we live in a corrupt society.

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Dec 21, 2021 10:21 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    owais.usmani wrote:https://www.rbc.ru/economics/20/12/2021/61bc5d059a794770833e7b51

    To secure a state contract, Russian companies have to give a bribe worth on average *22.5%* of the deal's total value, as per a new study by academics at Moscow's Higher School of Economics.

    Sounds about right

    Based on.....?

    Based on knowing people who have secured some state contracts (with regional cultural ministries and so on)
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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:28 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    owais.usmani wrote:https://www.rbc.ru/economics/20/12/2021/61bc5d059a794770833e7b51

    To secure a state contract, Russian companies have to give a bribe worth on average *22.5%* of the deal's total value, as per a new study by academics at Moscow's Higher School of Economics.

    Sounds about right

    Based on.....?

    Based on knowing people who have secured some state contracts (with regional cultural ministries and so on)

    Care to share with receipts like Garry said? Would be nice to know what the deal was.
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    Post  flamming_python Tue Dec 21, 2021 12:16 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    owais.usmani wrote:https://www.rbc.ru/economics/20/12/2021/61bc5d059a794770833e7b51

    To secure a state contract, Russian companies have to give a bribe worth on average *22.5%* of the deal's total value, as per a new study by academics at Moscow's Higher School of Economics.

    Sounds about right

    Based on.....?

    Based on knowing people who have secured some state contracts (with regional cultural ministries and so on)

    Care to share with receipts like Garry said?  Would be nice to know what the deal was.

    Who gives receipts for that sort of thing, miketheterrible? Suspect

    The money is usually also cut from the value of the contract itself, which the government awards. Often the contract is of higher value than the task implies for that reason. So the company doesn't lose its own money

    Nevertheless the Higher School of Economics in Moscow is a liberast institution. So believe it or don't believe it. But definitely such corruption is prevalent

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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Dec 21, 2021 12:19 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    owais.usmani wrote:https://www.rbc.ru/economics/20/12/2021/61bc5d059a794770833e7b51

    To secure a state contract, Russian companies have to give a bribe worth on average *22.5%* of the deal's total value, as per a new study by academics at Moscow's Higher School of Economics.

    Sounds about right

    Based on.....?

    Based on knowing people who have secured some state contracts (with regional cultural ministries and so on)

    Care to share with receipts like Garry said?  Would be nice to know what the deal was.

    Who gives receipts for that sort of thing, miketheterrible? Suspect

    Nevertheless the Higher School of Economics in Moscow is a liberast institution, so I wouldn't take the whole study on face value. But definitely such corruption is prevalent

    Different meaning. I was saying with some kind of reference, backup to claim. That is what some say as receipt, not an actual receipt lol. I don't expect that they would print that additional charge of course.

    The one thing that makes me question any of these where the companies complain about having to give bribes, is always the lack of evidence. You would think if it is widespread, businesses would secretly record this stuff for later time.
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    Post  kvs Tue Dec 21, 2021 2:33 pm

    This is all crap. Defeatist "woe is us" and "woe is Russia" propaganda. The scale of corruption in the west is much larger but
    we have the singing of the praises and the assertion of exceptionalism. GTFO.

    If Russians dream of having zero corruption, then they can start with themselves and in particular engaging effort to remove it.
    Instead, we have arm chair bitching and serf-like expectation of the grubbermint doing it for them. Go ahead, vote in Nahalny
    or some other "alternative" and spread your butt cheeks wider.

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    Post  franco Tue Dec 21, 2021 3:35 pm

    RT is carrying the story now.

    New study reveals scale of bribery in Russian state contracts

    By Layla Guest

    Russian businesses bidding for public sector contracts are forced to shell out vast quantities of cash in order to win major deals, a new study conducted by researchers at one of the country’s top universities has revealed.

    The research, involving more than 1,200 company representatives surveyed by the Higher School of Economics (HSE) and made available to Moscow business daily outlet RBK on Monday, found that 71% of suppliers had encountered corruption during tendering processes. The average kickback is estimated to be around 22.5% of the contract’s total value.

    Researchers acknowledged that many may have avoided giving truthful answers to direct questions about dishonest dealings for fear of prosecution or public condemnation, however. The overwhelming majority (83%) of those surveyed said they condemned corruption.

    More corrupt or just better at catching white collar criminals? Moscow tops Russian prosecutors’ list of supposed bribery hotspots More corrupt or just better at catching white collar criminals? Moscow tops Russian prosecutors’ list of supposed bribery hotspots

    The total amount of bribes in public procurement is estimated at almost $88.9 billion – 6.2% of Russia’s official nominal GDP in 2020, or just over 35% of the federal budget revenue. According to the Institute of Public Administration at HSE, the volume of corrupt payments in procurement is higher even than spending on education or healthcare.

    Just over half of the sample was made up of representatives of micro-enterprises (53%), while 34% represented small businesses, 6% medium-sized firms and 7% large companies.

    Earlier this year, the head of the anti-corruption taskforce in the Prosecutor General’s office, Viktor Baldin, revealed that the greatest number of bribery cases over the past year had been reported in the Russian capital, Moscow, which is home to government departments and senior public servants, as well as being a global financial and commercial hub.

    The Republic of Tatarstan situated around 800km east of Moscow, took second place for dishonest dealings. Manufacturing hub Bashkortostan, tourism and commercial hot-spot Krasnodar, and Chelyabinsk, the industrial center of the Urals, also featured high in the rankings.

    Corruption has long been a topic of concern in Russia. In 2018, a survey found that close to 80% of those living in the country wanted to see the introduction of the death penalty for officials and security officers convicted of pocketing dishonest cash.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/543798-bribery-public-sector-contracts/

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    Post  kvs Tue Dec 21, 2021 3:49 pm

    RT has liberast tendencies. This has been noted before.

    Such information without context and without even any error margin reported is dubious. Those small businesses have
    been complaining about Nabuillina's insane high interest policy. They were not complaining at the same time about
    being suffocated with bribe extortion. Now some monetarist nest with established 5th column credentials is trying to
    paint a picture serving NATzO's propaganda narratives. That RT calls this outfit a "top university" shows that RT is
    spreading BS.

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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Dec 21, 2021 4:53 pm

    It's just repeating what was said earlier, source is the same.  So of course end result of article will be the same.

    I'm waiting for that channel you post often, KVS, to do a video on it and debunking what they can.

    Although, Moscow and corruption, well, I'm not surprised honestly.  It is a major city after all.

    Edit: but look on bright side, even if it may be lower than what these turds are saying, it may force changes that push harder for transparency in contractual dealings.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:08 pm

    kvs wrote:RT has liberast tendencies.   This has been noted before.
    ....

    Sure, anything that pops your bubble is liberast conspiracy Rolling Eyes

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    Post  RTN Wed Dec 22, 2021 5:18 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Sounds about right
    No, coz it's way more than that. That's why the study was done to begin with, to obfuscate ground realities.

    Russian civil society is anemic, fractured, and thoroughly infiltrated by the government’s agents who uproot all actual or perceived opposition to its incumbents.

    calripson wrote:One of the undesired effects I know of is Russian/Foreign marriages with children - these are people who have lived in Russia for years and who now plan to leave and to take their spouses/kids with them. These are Russian kids who would have been raised in Russia. Not exactly the demographic effect you need.
    Sounds like the demography of this forum.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:51 am

    franco wrote:RT is carrying the story now.

    New study reveals scale of bribery in Russian state contracts

    The total amount of bribes in public procurement is estimated at almost $88.9 billion – 6.2% of Russia’s official nominal GDP in 2020, or just over 35% of the federal budget revenue.

    Utter BS.  That is simply a nonsense figure.  Do we need any more evidence that this fake report is a pile of shit? Suspect

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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:55 am

    kvs wrote:RT has liberast tendencies.   This has been noted before.


    RT is based in the US and is staffed by Murkans and Westerners of many stripes. It strives to present the Russian POV (that is utter ignored in the West) but even so, there are plenty of opportunities for liberasts to sneak nonsense articles in from time to time. Quite frankly it undermines credibility for anyone to seriously argue otherwise.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:58 am

    RTN wrote:
    Russian US civil society is anemic, fractured, and thoroughly infiltrated by the government’s Deep States agents who uproot all actual or perceived opposition to its incumbents.


    FIFY, with the service rendered free of charge.  Consider it the only act of charity you'll ever receive from me.

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    Post  kvs Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:52 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    franco wrote:RT is carrying the story now.

    New study reveals scale of bribery in Russian state contracts

    The total amount of bribes in public procurement is estimated at almost $88.9 billion – 6.2% of Russia’s official nominal GDP in 2020, or just over 35% of the federal budget revenue.

    Utter BS.  That is simply a nonsense figure.  Do we need any more evidence that this fake report is a pile of shit? Suspect

    This is clearly NATzO propaganda using Russian assets. First we have the Russian economy being 50% oil and gas exports through
    the twisting of the narrow federal budget income in 2003. Now we have 35% corruption. These same propagandists paint
    Ukria as a "normal" country which is in much better shape than Russia. We are being told not to believe our lying eyes. How is
    the Ukrian economy doing compared to the Russian? One is able to substitute high tech production on the fly, the other is
    losing one industry after another. Surely that must be Putin's "corrupt" Russia.

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:01 pm

    It's them trying to keep relevant. Most of their money is draining, their assets (Navalny as such) are vanishing and 8n end they gotta say something. They are taking small examples, then making a mole hill put of it. Does corruption on lower scale government happen? Of course. And that is why they never mention at which part of the government.

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    Post  kvs Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:21 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:It's them trying to keep relevant. Most of their money is draining, their assets (Navalny as such) are vanishing and 8n end they gotta say something. They are taking small examples, then making a mole hill put of it. Does corruption on lower scale government happen? Of course.  And that is why they never mention at which part of the government.

    It looks like NATzO has only one tool against Russia and that is propaganda.

    But people with functional brains and enough awareness can tell that these ludicrous claims are BS. The facts on
    the ground speak for themselves. Russians don't care about NATzO preaching to its own choir. For some reason
    the deciders in NATzO think that spreading inane propaganda will result in regime change in Russia. The brain
    rot is extreme.

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    Post  RTN Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:59 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    RTN wrote:
    Russian US civil society is anemic, fractured, and thoroughly infiltrated by the government’s Deep States agents who uproot all actual or perceived opposition to its incumbents.


    FIFY, with the service rendered free of charge.  Consider it the only act of charity you'll ever receive from me.
    Russian government seems to have shipped your ass to the West....in an act of charity.
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    Post  flamming_python Thu Dec 23, 2021 5:01 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:
    franco wrote:RT is carrying the story now.

    New study reveals scale of bribery in Russian state contracts

    The total amount of bribes in public procurement is estimated at almost $88.9 billion – 6.2% of Russia’s official nominal GDP in 2020, or just over 35% of the federal budget revenue.

    Utter BS.  That is simply a nonsense figure.  Do we need any more evidence that this fake report is a pile of shit? Suspect

    This is clearly NATzO propaganda using Russian assets.   First we have the Russian economy being 50% oil and gas exports through
    the twisting of the narrow federal budget income in 2003.   Now we have 35% corruption.   These same propagandists paint
    Ukria as a "normal" country which is in much better shape than Russia.   We are being told not to believe our lying eyes.   How is
    the Ukrian economy doing compared to the Russian?   One is able to substitute high tech production on the fly, the other is
    losing one industry after another.   Surely that must be Putin's "corrupt" Russia.  

    In the Ukraine you have 100% corruption. Hence why nothing is being built there or done. Just sucking the remaining juices from Soviet-era industries.

    Sorry guys, corruption in Russia is a problem and ignoring it won't make it go away, it will only enable it, and not only it but all sorts of CIA-organized smooth-talking con-artists such as Navalny

    I suspect the only contracts on which you don't have much corruption in Russia are the military-industrial ones. Well maybe aside from shipbuilding. This is the reason though why it proceeds quickly, smoothly and on a much lower budget than in the West. In fact the military was the first thing that was successfully modernized; before all the schools, hospitals and so on. Lately those sorts of things have started to be modernized rapidly as well. In the 2000s, we had the same sort of national programs being introduced, but they barely functioned.

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    Post  calripson Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:13 pm

    If by corruption you mean payoffs to get contracts or to avoid customs taxes or income taxes, I can tell you the level of that activity is currently lower than at any point in post-Soviet history. It was routine 20 years ago - today not so easy with real risk of jail time. 25 years ago, under Yeltsin, it was a complete joke. Everything was corrupt - almost 100% of businesses siphoned profits into Cypriot offshores. How do you think the Berezovskys of the world made their money? The West and Russian liberals had zero problem with that corruption. It served their interests. The other 95% of the Russian population be damned.

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    Post  Krepost Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:49 pm

    I am not worried about corruption in Russia.
    I am very worried about the level of corruption here in Canada (and the West in general) where things are getting worse every year.
    From private to municipal to federal.
    You name it: road-repairs, hospitals, schools...down to ordering a nut and a bolt for a private company.... Everything is happening with corruption.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Dec 24, 2021 12:59 am

    RTN wrote:Russian government seems to have shipped your ass to the West....in an act of charity.

    Ex-Brit Aussie here buddy. You can take your boiler-plate smears and shove them where the shine doesn't shine. Razz

    Nothing wrong with being a Russian of course, or for a Russian to defend their nations reputations against the mean-spirited propaganda attacks of the Clown Empire and its empty-headed unthinking minions. I do however take offense to your barely-concealed contention that Westerners couldn't possibly discern the corruption and dysfunction of their own nations, the lies they tell to our people, and then come to the inevitable conclusion that these ruling elite reptiles are more than capable of lying 24-7 about those nations that defy their crude attempts at global hegemony.

    Read what I wrote twice. S..L..O..W..L..Y.. Cuz methinks that's the only way for Murkans to get a friggin clue...

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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Dec 24, 2021 1:09 am

    Krepost wrote:I am not worried about corruption in Russia.
    I am very worried about the level of corruption here in Canada (and the West in general) where things are getting worse every year.
    From private to municipal to federal.
    You name it: road-repairs, hospitals, schools...down to ordering a nut and a bolt for a private company.... Everything is happening with corruption.

    That applies twice here in Australia.  Under the likes of ScoMo the Defiler (or God-Emperor Kim Jong Dan of the Demokratic Peoples Republik of Victoriastan) we are fast degenerating into a servile outpost of the Monkey Imperium, even more slavish in our devotion at serving the neocons at the expense of our own welfare than we were during the heights of the British Empire. Our government is openly subservient to the demands of Big Capital, and is busy flushing our trade relations down the shitter simply to earn a pat on the head from Big Daddy Shmuel and to earn the "privilege" of being allowed to buy Murkan Fail-35s, M1 tanks and nuke subs that haven't even been scoped out yet...

    We've gone from the self-declared "lucky country" to a spineless servile whining satrapy, a capering monkey faithfully obeying the commands from its organ grinder. Truth is, we always have been  (heck, we were stupid enough to send troops to Vietnam), but now its become so apparent that even Blind Pew can't fail to notice...  angry

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