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    Politics and Government of Russia

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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Dec 24, 2021 1:14 am

    kvs wrote:It looks like NATzO has only one tool against Russia and that is propaganda.  

    Correct, and that is a reason to celebrate. These worms can squirm all they like in the shit of their own making, but they can't compel Russia to do anything. Russia will do as she decides to do, and at a time and place of her choosing. Murkans and their spineless Eurofag vassals can pound sand for an eternity...

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    Post  GarryB Fri Dec 24, 2021 10:40 am

    But people with functional brains and enough awareness can tell that these ludicrous claims are BS. The facts on
    the ground speak for themselves. Russians don't care about NATzO preaching to its own choir. For some reason
    the deciders in NATzO think that spreading inane propaganda will result in regime change in Russia. The brain
    rot is extreme.

    But that is the fundamental difference between the Russians and the west... the west thinks pointing out corruption in Russia might destroy Russia... because look at the way the west treats dissidents from China or Russia... but also look at how they treat whistleblowers... Manning, Snowden, Assange... and plenty you never hear of from the CIA and NSA who go to jail for revealing national secrets.... it is ignored that these secrets are generally corruption or war crimes...

    Sorry guys, corruption in Russia is a problem and ignoring it won't make it go away, it will only enable it, and not only it but all sorts of CIA-organized smooth-talking con-artists such as Navalny

    Of course it is a problem.... anywhere it is a problem, but the west are not pointing that out to help Russia.... they are pointing it out to say it is worse in Russia than in the west where we have no corruption, because everyone who talks about it goes to jail.

    I suspect the only contracts on which you don't have much corruption in Russia are the military-industrial ones. Well maybe aside from shipbuilding.

    It is human nature... if you are the casting director and you are picking out pretty people to get a job in a movie that might make their careers and they are desperate.... well taking advantage of that is normal isn't it?  When there are thousands of people wanting the job and only one can do it and they are all pretty and talented... how would you decide... you could even lie to yourself and say it was a test to see how committed they were to do a good job...

    And it is not like it doesn't happen further up the chain... some CEO of a movie company wants his daughter in a movie... she gets in the movie... isn't that corruption too?

    Some actors create their own companies to make the movies they want to make... it is all about power and the use and misuse of it .

    If by corruption you mean payoffs to get contracts or to avoid customs taxes or income taxes, I can tell you the level of that activity is currently lower than at any point in post-Soviet history. It was routine 20 years ago - today not so easy with real risk of jail time. 25 years ago, under Yeltsin, it was a complete joke. Everything was corrupt - almost 100% of businesses siphoned profits into Cypriot offshores. How do you think the Berezovskys of the world made their money? The West and Russian liberals had zero problem with that corruption. It served their interests. The other 95% of the Russian population be damned.

    And in places in the west it is just part of doing business.

    If you want to sell planes to Arabs you might need to get creative with the whores you send... the French got a lot of contracts because they had beautiful women of purchasable virtue, but sometimes the tastes are different... ie boys... and/or underage type stuff... and if you want the contract that is what you supply.

    In the early 1990s it was frustrating for Russian companies because they found they were competing with companies that would lie and offer bribes... they thought the world of the west was free and fair competition and the best gear got the sale.... HAHAHAHA.

    From private to municipal to federal.

    All the red tape and bullshit to build something like a house or a shed and you pay fees and for inspections and all sorts of rubbish.

    A quarter acre property was pretty normal here, but these days people buy such houses and subdivide the section and put three or four smaller houses on them... the local councils love it because it means more people to charge rates, but the water and sewerage systems were not designed for it...

    And parking your car becomes a nightmare.

    We've gone from the self-declared "lucky country" to a spineless servile whining satrapy, a capering monkey faithfully obeying the commands from its organ grinder. Truth is, we always have been  (heck, we were stupid enough to send troops to Vietnam), but now its become so apparent that even Blind Pew can't fail to notice...  

    Not to mention looking down your nose at New Zealand for not being anti China enough.... pricks.

    We promise not to rub your nose in it down the track... NOT.   What a Face

    Murkans and their spineless Eurofag vassals can pound sand for an eternity...

    The funny thing is that the US economy is not that great and their government is so far in the red... how ironic is that... that when digital currencies and other alternatives and new alternatives to SWIFT start to gain traction... and they will because the current idiots are using them as weapons so of course all their potential targets are going to make alternative plans in case they follow through... the US dollar might become a brand of toilet paper... and then where will they be?

    If their currency is worthless then how are they going to pay what they owe?

    I am thinking their comments about never being a friend of Russia, and never agreeing to terms with Russia is being a bit short sighted and naive... and it might end up biting them in the arse.

    But then they are bending over backwards to remind everyone they have not friends and only interests and screwing everyone in their way, so why should we care.

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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Dec 24, 2021 11:00 am

    So talking about corruption, I watched a Jimmy Dore video where he talked about how the head of the FDA in the USA just became a board member of Phizer. Apparently, the guy has a rap sheet of being ceo of many pharmaceutical companies before being part of FDA head.

    He talks about the history and how this has been a problem for a long time.

    Not same video but he has covered about how various defense ministers and pentagon guys either got hired on after or before being in their position, by major weapons manufacturers.

    As he pointed out, this is mass corruption on a massive scale, yet not a thing is done or talked about.

    But one that is easily forgotten, was Vice President Dick Chaney's stakes in Haliburton which got excessive contracts in Iraq war that they (US gov) initiated.

    Just recently, at least here in Canada - Canada's former defense minister had apparently given contracts to his own wife's agency. But I'm still researching that. But biggest one was our Prime Minister was paying his own family exorbants amount for "speeches" to be made and this is at taxpayers expense. When he was being questioned about it, apparently he tried to destroy evidence. He is still our PM and even our own media had evidence of it.

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    Post  kvs Fri Dec 24, 2021 4:17 pm

    The vast majority of criticism aimed at Russia is malicious and hypocritical. The talking point being pimped by liberasts is the
    old one spouted by Navalny, that corruption in Russia appeared after Putin arrived and the Yeltsin years were a golden era.
    It is basically a self-evident fact that after 1999 and the arrival of Putin that corruption was suppressed (the real tyranny).
    Bribes amounts exploded because the risk to being sent to the slammer became real and palpable. Naturally, the increase in the
    bribe amounts was used as "evidence" that corruption got worse. Never let the facts get in the way of propaganda narratives.

    This "report" from the 5th column monetarist "school" (faculty) is not peer reviewed and the data is not available for independent
    analysis. It is essentially anonymous sources claiming this and that and naturally their "valuable" input must be protected.
    This is not a proper study but a political hack. It is routine for the media to cite such rubbish as evidence to push narratives.
    RT is clearly doing this and using the supposed reputation of this clown outfit as sufficient to establish the validity of the report.
    That is utter BS.

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    Post  par far Fri Dec 24, 2021 6:41 pm

    Is there corruption in Russia? Yes there is, just like any other country.

    Is the corruption in Russia as big as the Western Media say's? No.

    It is less than it was in the past, there should be more laws to tackle this issue(the death penalty should be on the table.)

    Russian authorizes are working to tackle this issue.





    Corruption in Russia is no where the level of US, the Pentagon lost track of a Trillion dollars, as well as equipment worth millions.

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    Post  kvs Fri Dec 24, 2021 8:49 pm

    The fish always rots from the head. This is not some glib cliche. In the west, the oligarchy has captured the political process
    and politicians are basically whores for them. Anyone who thinks this is hyperbole needs to run out and buy a clue. The western
    tax and legal system shows evidence of the rot through its insane complexity and endless loopholes, but not for the average plebe.

    Tacitus wrote:The injustice of a government is proportional to the number of its laws.

    The corollary is that the complexity of the law allows the government and its owners, the elites, to hide their wrong doing.

    Russia has one of the simplest tax systems on the planet. The west engages in endless projection of hate onto Russia.
    General Electric and other US mega-corps act like two bit Russian crooks like Khodorkovsky and park their profits offshore
    to avoid paying the US government taxes. At the same time, they get massive write offs from the US government, aka
    direct corporate welfare.

    Russia is still "primitive". The government is a "tyranny" so it is not owned by an oligarchy. Russian corporate crooks have
    to hit and run and are slapped down instead of laundered like they are in the west. Ironically Ukraine is much more "advanced"
    towards the precious western "values" it aspires to. It is an oligarch run toilet riven with corruption. They just haven't learned
    how to coat the turds with gold foil yet to make them super legit.

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    Post  par far Sun Dec 26, 2021 6:30 pm

    Corruption in Murica.

    " Kleptocrats have stolen $100 billion of government money.

    Oh, I forgot one important detail – in the United States.

    Who said this? No, neither Vladimir Solovyev, nor Dmitry Kiselev, nor Margarita Simonyan.

    US Secret Service Coordinator Roy Dotson made this statement.

    In his words, the US allocated money to counter pandemic-related unemployment but, as you might have guessed, these funds did not reach the jobless.

    In general, Mr Dotson is refreshingly honest. He asks himself: “Can we stop fraud? Will we?” and answers “No.”




    https://thesaker.is/this-morning-from-marias-office/

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    Post  George1 Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:58 pm

    On January 19, the Gennady Zyuganov-led Communist Party faction submitted a draft to the State Duma addressed to Vladimir Putin calling for recognizing the independence of the Donetsk and Lugansk people’s republics

    https://en.topwar.ru/191332-v-gosdumu-vnesli-proekt-obraschenija-k-putinu-o-priznanii-doneckoj-i-luganskoj-narodnyh-respublik.html

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    Post  franco Sat Jan 22, 2022 6:06 pm

    The Russian government maintains a system of strategic supply storage (food, medicines, materials, etc) around the country. I am aware of at least 8 locations from West to East and all guarded by a battalion of the National Guard.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g0cW2a8-l4

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Jan 22, 2022 6:45 pm

    George1 wrote:On January 19, the Gennady Zyuganov-led Communist Party faction submitted a draft to the State Duma addressed to Vladimir Putin calling for recognizing the independence of the Donetsk and Lugansk people’s republics

    https://en.topwar.ru/191332-v-gosdumu-vnesli-proekt-obraschenija-k-putinu-o-priznanii-doneckoj-i-luganskoj-narodnyh-respublik.html

    That would be pretty retarded, as it would amount to giving up on the whole of the rest of the Ukraine. What would be there for these rump states to do on their own?

    Zyuganov is just an opportunist who has allied himself with the Navalnites. That's all you need to know

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jan 23, 2022 5:37 am

    The threat of recognising these regions as independent could be justified by Kosovos declaration of independence, and would certainly light a fire under Kiev to do something.

    Now whether that something is start talks with these regions or invade is another question but if the alternative is just a continuation of what we have perhaps it would not be the worst thing Russia could do.

    Right now Russia is waiting to see if Kiev is that stupid... much the same as they waited to see if Tiblisi was that dumb.

    Two ongoing situations where people are being sporadically attacked and killed and Russia unable to do very much at all about it.

    Ending the current situation is not a high priority for Russia, though a solution would be something they would be interested in.

    For the people in these regions a bit of peace and security would be very very welcome I suspect.

    For Kiev they need to decide whether to talk or attack, but they know if they attack Russia will intervene and these regions will be separated.... and if these regions develop and prosper with open trade with Russia then other regions might consider joining them and the Ukraine might all break away from Kiev and western regions, which might have been the plan all along from both sides.

    Russia can't really continue to do nothing, but there is no interest in an invasion either, so this would effect change... once recognised as independent the next attack by Kiev could be claimed to be an attack for which the regions could ask their large neighbour to the East for assistance and even peace keepers...
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    Post  ALAMO Sun Jan 23, 2022 9:19 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    George1 wrote:On January 19, the Gennady Zyuganov-led Communist Party faction submitted a draft to the State Duma addressed to Vladimir Putin calling for recognizing the independence of the Donetsk and Lugansk people’s republics

    https://en.topwar.ru/191332-v-gosdumu-vnesli-proekt-obraschenija-k-putinu-o-priznanii-doneckoj-i-luganskoj-narodnyh-respublik.html

    That would be pretty retarded, as it would amount to giving up on the whole of the rest of the Ukraine. What would be there for these rump states to do on their own?

    Zyuganov is just an opportunist who has allied himself with the Navalnites. That's all you need to know

    Not from a wider perspective, FP.
    Are they going to recognize the republics in their de facto existing shape, or administrative, geographical borders? scratch Twisted Evil
    If they are to recognize them in any way, why shouldn't they recognize the followers, like Odesskaja Narodnaja Respublika? Twisted Evil
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    Post  flamming_python Yesterday at 1:06 pm

    GarryB wrote:The threat of recognising these regions as independent could be justified by Kosovos declaration of independence, and would certainly light a fire under Kiev to do something.

    Now whether that something is start talks with these regions or invade is another question but if the alternative is just a continuation of what we have perhaps it would not be the worst thing Russia could do.

    Right now Russia is waiting to see if Kiev is that stupid... much the same as they waited to see if Tiblisi was that dumb.

    Two ongoing situations where people are being sporadically attacked and killed and Russia unable to do very much at all about it.

    Ending the current situation is not a high priority for Russia, though a solution would be something they would be interested in.

    For the people in these regions a bit of peace and security would be very very welcome I suspect.

    For Kiev they need to decide whether to talk or attack, but they know if they attack Russia will intervene and these regions will be separated.... and if these regions develop and prosper with open trade with Russia then other regions might consider joining them and the Ukraine might all break away from Kiev and western regions, which might have been the plan all along from both sides.

    Russia can't really continue to do nothing, but there is no interest in an invasion either, so this would effect change... once recognised as independent the next attack by Kiev could be claimed to be an attack for which the regions could ask their large neighbour to the East for assistance and even peace keepers...

    It can be justified by anything

    In that case the Ukraine will lose those regions for good, but Russia will also lose the Ukraine to NATO, in that Kiev can just decide to accept the territorial losses and join NATO. In fact with no leverage left against Washington, that's pretty much what they'll do. The only thing stopping that scenario at the moment are the Minsk agreements, that Kiev wants to wiggle out of. The European have went to Moscow before to try and get Russia to recognize the conflict as one between Russia and the Ukraine, i.e. that Russia is occupying Ukrainian territory. As I heard Poroshenko in his time offered Putin to just incorporate the regions into Russia, but Putin replied that he doesn't need them.

    Now the Ukraine is looking to cancel the Minsk agreements by doing a suicide charge against the Donbass. Whether it succeeds or it fails doesn't matter, the agreement will be no more. Russia then going and recognizing those regions as independent, mean that Kiev will have everything it actually wants.
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    Post  GarryB Today at 4:30 am

    In that case the Ukraine will lose those regions for good, but Russia will also lose the Ukraine to NATO, in that Kiev can just decide to accept the territorial losses and join NATO

    The idiots in power in the Ukraine want to join HATO, and are doing everything they can to make that happen... but of course it is not really their decision... HATO decides who joins or who does not, and a bit like Georgia they are not accepting the loss of the Crimea, they are hardly going to accept the loss of any more territory.

    The US wants Ukraine to join and the people with influence and power in the Ukraine clearly want that too... I simply can't see any way for Russia to convince them otherwise... and not really sure they should bother trying.

    Whether the Ukraine is part of HATO or just good friends they are essentially a HATO vassal and have HATO troops there currently and HATO bases to accommodate them...

    The Ukraine has gone... it is now a question of whether to save a part of it or leave it to the wolves... a bit like WWII when Stalin had the choice of taking back the Ukraine that was part of Poland or sit back and let Germany take it all.

    Still nazis but a more local brood.

    In fact with no leverage left against Washington, that's pretty much what they'll do.

    And that does not really change the current situation, because even if they join it will take years to get them compatible and up to standard, and HATO forces will remain on Ukrainian territory anyway... the difference is that Russia can send peacekeepers to the Donbass and silence Ukrainian artillery for good and give these people some peace and let them start to solve their economic problems.

    The only thing stopping that scenario at the moment are the Minsk agreements, that Kiev wants to wiggle out of.

    Wiggle out of?

    You mean completely ignore.

    The European have went to Moscow before to try and get Russia to recognize the conflict as one between Russia and the Ukraine, i.e. that Russia is occupying Ukrainian territory. As I heard Poroshenko in his time offered Putin to just incorporate the regions into Russia, but Putin replied that he doesn't need them.

    They believe their own propaganda.... and they are idiots.

    Now the Ukraine is looking to cancel the Minsk agreements by doing a suicide charge against the Donbass. Whether it succeeds or it fails doesn't matter, the agreement will be no more. Russia then going and recognizing those regions as independent, mean that Kiev will have everything it actually wants.

    Not at all. Kiev wants those territories back under its control so it can sell everything of value to the highest bidder and then bugger off to some European country with all the loot they have nicked.

    Those territories also include the valuable land of the Crimea so we can of course agree they will never get what they actually want.

    Losing another chunk of territory is not what they want... they do want to pretend this is a Russian invasion and those in these regions are actually all Russians that have invaded Ukrainian territory and are planning to take it all, when all it really is is Ukrainians fighting Ukrainians, with Russia trying to deter a Kiev launched blood bath... and also thinking Kiev making the Russian language illegal is going a bit too far too.

    But the solution is not an invasion or making Ukrainian language illegal or any such crap... let them be an autonomous region and make their own rules and stop shelling them and give them time to decide their future for themselves... they might prefer to use the Russian language, but I speak English but I don't want English citizenship or for the UK to come down here and take over...
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Today at 5:14 am

    Well it seems Ukraine is backing off from suicide

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10436705/amp/Americans-safer-Kyiv-LA-source-close-Zelensky-slams-Biden-evacuating-Ukraine.html

    404 is off the rails, at the same time EU gave them 1.2 billion euros to back off, and lo and behold they're saying Russian troops can move around on their own territory

    'Americans are safer in Kiev than LA': Ukraine president blasts Biden for evacuating US citizens and encouraging his country to democratize - 'but being the first to leave when Russia turns up temperature' 😂😂😂

    “This is their territory, they have the right to move left and right there. Is it unpleasant for us? Yes, it’s unpleasant, but it’s not news to us. If this is news to someone in the West, I apologize,” he said.😂😂

    Ukr 404 self preservation turned on, they are going against the US and UK play


    At the same time Normandy meeting is on, explaining German schizophrenic comments last week from naval chief and scholz

    Someone wants their nord stream 2 back...

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/tass.com/world/1392535/amp

    404 wanted apologies from german Nord stream 2 , I mean naval chief

    But then they got thrown this bone to shut it

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-offers-ukraine-12-bln-euro-aid-package-2022-01-24/

    I mean if I had to choose 1.2 billion and life, or a revolver with one bullet to blow my head off, I'd go with life too

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