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    2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war #3

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat Jan 02, 2021 8:45 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    Azerbaijan has no claim to the areas Russia is in.
    wrong: all of NK is claimed by them, but Russia stopped it from being taken back, with the Mi-24 & 2 pilots loss being the last drop in her cup of patience.. 

    Russia does not claim NK as its own soil you twit.


    He was saying Azerbaijan has claimed all of NK...which is true and that stance is also supported by the Russians.

    Before you call people twits...maybe you should learn something called reading comprehension....
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    Post  Isos Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:21 pm

    Lavrov said something like as of today even Armenia doesn't recognize NK as their land so neither Russia will do it first. But if they recognize it and ask Russia to do so it could change.

    But I doubt Russia has any interest in doing so.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:09 pm

    Isos wrote:Lavrov said something like as of today even Armenia doesn't recognize NK as their land so neither Russia will do it first. But if they recognize it and ask Russia to do so it could change.

    But I doubt Russia has any interest in doing so.

    At this point Armenia will have to do so much more than just recognizing it that I don't think they are realistically able to do it whatever it is

    Plane has crashed into the mountain, to use​ the parlance of our time


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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:30 pm

    To be politicly correct, Armenia & Russia will recognize it before holding a referendum there so it could become part of the RF.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:03 pm


    Turkey’s goal in Caucasus was to increase Russia’s role

    https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/turkeys-goal-in-caucasus-was-to-increase-russias-role-654022

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sun Jan 03, 2021 12:09 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:To be politicly correct, Armenia & Russia will recognize it before holding a referendum there so it could become part of the RF.

    LoL what? Russia isn't going to absorb NK.

    Remarks like these make me laugh
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sun Jan 03, 2021 12:17 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:To be politicly correct, Armenia & Russia will recognize it before holding a referendum there so it could become part of the RF.

    LoL what? Russia isn't going to absorb NK.

    Remarks like these make me laugh

    It is more probable that Novo-Arkhangelsk (today Sitka, in Alaska) returns into Russian rule than Stepankerk...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Jan 03, 2021 12:31 am

    Absolutely, & it may happen before the 5 year period expires on the RF peacekeepers presence- as part of Russia, she won't need it extended.
    For her overall security to preserve/increase stabilizing influence, she better stay there.
    I won't be surprised if later a new regime in Erevan asks to join Russia as well. It could become another nationalistic Quebec that is part of much larger country.
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    Post  kvs Sun Jan 03, 2021 12:33 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Turkey’s goal in Caucasus was to increase Russia’s role

    https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/turkeys-goal-in-caucasus-was-to-increase-russias-role-654022


    Great propaganda start to that piece. Israel ain't all that nice compared to Turkey and has been in bed
    with it for many years. And Russia has the freedom to interact with whomever and whenever it wants.
    BS self-asserted moral superiority from its critics has zero weight.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sun Jan 03, 2021 1:49 am

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:To be politicly correct, Armenia & Russia will recognize it before holding a referendum there so it could become part of the RF.

    LoL what? Russia isn't going to absorb NK.

    Remarks like these make me laugh

    It is more probable that  Novo-Arkhangelsk (today Sitka, in Alaska)  returns into Russian rule than Stepankerk...

    Sure it is more probable than Alaska being returned to Russia, still don't mean its going to happen.
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    Post  flamming_python Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:44 pm

    Isos wrote:Lavrov said something like as of today even Armenia doesn't recognize NK as their land so neither Russia will do it first. But if they recognize it and ask Russia to do so it could change.

    But I doubt Russia has any interest in doing so.

    I'm surprised anyone here buys this crock of shit excuse

    Armenia no less wanted to officially recognize NK as their land than they wanted to call on the CSTO treaty during the war with Azerbaijan

    But Moscow pressured Armenia not to invoke the CSTO so it's safe bet that they wouldn't have taken kindly to an official recognition of NK either. Yet now Russian propaganda is blaming the Armenians themselves for not recognizing NK. Taking a few leaves from US propaganda I see.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:23 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Isos wrote:Lavrov said something like as of today even Armenia doesn't recognize NK as their land so neither Russia will do it first. But if they recognize it and ask Russia to do so it could change.

    But I doubt Russia has any interest in doing so.

    I'm surprised anyone here buys this crock of shit excuse

    Armenia no less wanted to officially recognize NK as their land than they wanted to call on the CSTO treaty during the war with Azerbaijan

    But Moscow pressured Armenia not to invoke the CSTO so it's safe bet that they wouldn't have taken kindly to an official recognition of NK either. Yet now Russian propaganda is blaming the Armenians themselves for not recognizing NK. Taking a few leaves from US propaganda I see.

    This is pure BS.

    1. Russia never pressured Armenia not to invoke CSTO, Armenia could not invoke CSTO has Russia nor ARMENIA IT'S SELF. Legally considered NK to be part of Armenia. Stop with the BS and lies, that above fact will never change no matter how much you try and convince people so.

    2. When Azeri's shot down a Russian helio within proper Armenia airspace, they quickly told Azeri to settle the war or else and I seem to remember in less then 48 hours Azeri did just that.

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    Post  Backman Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:30 pm



    Russia now probing case of helicopter downed by Azerbaijan as murder -Interfax

    MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian military investigators are now treating the Nov. 9 downing of a helicopter over Armenia as “wilful murder”, a more serious charge than the previous “death through negligence”, Interfax news agency reported on Monday, citing a source.

    A Russian Mi-24 helicopter was shot down over Armenia near the border with a region belonging to Azerbaijan, killing two crew members and injuring another, just few hours before a Moscow-brokered peace deal over Nagorno-Karabakh was reached.

    Heavy fighting between Azerbaijan, which has the political backing of Turkey, and ethnic Armenian forces over the mountainous region had been raging for six weeks at the time of the incident.

    Azerbaijan’s Foreign Ministry said Azeri forces shot down the helicopter by accident, expressing apologies to Moscow and a readiness to pay compensation.

    Interfax said on Monday, citing the source, that a case had initially been opened into a potential infringement of flying regulations that had resulted in deaths through negligence.

    The reported switch to a murder charge, which could lead to a sentence of life imprisonment for those held responsible, may complicate relations between Moscow and Azerbaijan.

    The conflict has tested Moscow’s influence in the South Caucasus, a swath of the former Soviet Union it views as vital to defending its own southern flank.

    Reporting by Vladimir Soldatkin; Editing by Hugh Lawson
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:41 pm

    Eh wilful murder is highly doubtful, I severely doubt the Azeri's would knowingly show down a Russian bird.

    That is the one thing they did not want to do during the war was drag russia in.

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    Post  Backman Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:25 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Eh wilful murder is highly doubtful, I severely doubt the Azeri's would knowingly show down a Russian bird.

    That is the one thing they did not want to do during the war was drag russia in.

    Maybe it was 3 letter agency provocateurs/Azeri soldiers in the pay of someone else. Like who shot the su 24 down in Syria back in 2015
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    Post  Isos Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:28 pm

    It was a mistake. Azeri were cautious not to hurt any russian.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:23 am

    The shoot down happened at a time when it was rather useful to the Azeris... the Russian investigators know better than we do... I would think they saw everything and while it is unlikely they had time to do anything about it... by the time the missile is in the air... how do you contact the pilots directly and what do you tell them?

    It can still be used afterwards to work out what happened and why.
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    Post  Isos Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:58 pm

    https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1346841966940725249

    Harop attack on S-300. It's like german shtuka bombers in films. It's not a radar that you need but a sonar to detect them.

    Frankly a manpad operator would have a good window opportunity to shoot it down.

    Btw looking at the explosion it seems the launcher was empty. Explosion would be much bigger with 4 missile with 60 or so kg warhead and high density fuel.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:03 am

    S-300 missiles have 150kg HE warheads each, and their fuel would make a huge explosion...
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    Post  franco Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:40 pm

    Plan to develop Karabakh transport infrastructure to be ready by March 1

    MOSCOW, January 11. /TASS/. The trilateral working group on the Nagorno-Karabakh region will present a list and schedule of measures for the development of transport infrastructure on that territory by March 1. This is according to a statement published on the Kremlin website following the talks of Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev, Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan and Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday.

    By March 1, 2021, the working group will submit a list and schedule for the implementation of relevant measures for approval by the parties at the highest level, the statement says.

    The measures involve the restoration and construction of new transport infrastructure facilities necessary for the organization, implementation and security of international transportation through the Republic of Azerbaijan and the Republic of Armenia, according to the statement.

    The working group is being created by three countries, its co-chairmen will be the deputy prime ministers of Azerbaijan, Armenia and Russia.

    The trilateral talks between the leaders of Azerbaijan, Armenia and Russia were held behind closed doors, with the exception of Putin’s statement at the start. The Russian leader noted that Russia values partner and good-neighborly relations with Azerbaijan and Armenia, thanking his colleagues for the positive assessment of Russia’s efforts as a mediator of the Nagorno-Karabakh ceasefire. Putin stated that the agreements reached in November 2020 are implemented consistently, and that this creates the necessary preconditions for long-term and full-fledged Nagorno-Karabakh regulation on a just basis in the interest of both Azerbaijani and Armenian nations.

    NOTE: major points of this would include a rail service from Turkey into Azerbaijan through Armenia and rail service from Russia into Armenia through Azerbaijan.
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    Post  Hole Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:04 pm

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    Transport corridor

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:44 am

    An analyst predicted a military defeat for Armenia two years ago
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    Post  GarryB Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:54 am

    After Armenia started looking to the west you could say they were going to lose any battle... the funny thing is that believers in western propaganda think they are the good guys and a force for good and will save them no matter what.

    Ask Libya or Syria or the Ukraine what bathing in the goodness and protection of the west feels like...

    Not that they have not right to look west, but they need to get what they think will happen in writing first before dragging their countries through the inevidable wars that will be a consequence of their choices...

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