F-22 stealth is very good in frequencies at which fighter's radars work.
They claim it is good, they claim lots of things.
The F-22 is supposed to be super cruising around at medium to high altitude picking off enemy aircraft from range... the sort of flight profile that would make IRSTs and long range IR guided missiles rather potent.
Why do you think russians fielded the su-35 with L band radars and an Irbis radar that is like 10 times more powerfull than previous radars used in su-27 ?
It is just an airborne equivalent of NEBO... the MiG-31 had a powerful radar too...
Stealth bring lot of advantges in BVR engagement. You can counter it with triangulation, datalink with external L band radars or IRIST and of course it's not a 100% success protection but you better have it than not.
Well in theory that is true but in practise not so much, the best defence of Russian airspace has more to do with SAMs and IADS than with roaming fighters and interceptors looking for targets.
Thry buy f-15 because it still does the job against low tier countries. And Russia still doesn't have anything close to 180 f-22. They only have 100 su-35. Su-30 is outclassed by a great factor and even that they have only 120 or so. Meanwhile US is also buy hundreds of f-35.
The US doesn't have close to 180 F-22s... half of them are not operational most of the time and they are expensive to operate.
The Su-30 is being upgraded to become a two seat Su-35, plus Su-57 is in production and soon a lighter fighter will be put into production too.... might be MiG-35 or it could be a 5th gen light fighter... we have seen Sukhois entry in that regard and a model of two potential MiG types (single and twin engined), but we have not seen anything from Yakovlev or Tupolev or the other design bureaus...
China is the only one who has enough fighters to pose a threat to the US aviation.
Enemy aircraft are not the threat to US aviation, an IADS that is mobile and powerful will make it ineffective rather quickly... after a few hundred western aircraft are shot down they will have to change tactics because they can't operate with such losses to their attack and their defence which is based on aircraft.
I'm talking about aviation only not counting AD and cruise missiles that can strike airports and planes in hangars.
The only weapons that will make it to targets are hypersonic manouvering missiles which Russia has deployed and used successfully.
Western aircraft will be horribly vulnerable, especially their high maintenance stealthy ones that can't just operate on the side of a motorway.
Ok, the wing mounted L-band just doesnt look like a steath hunter as many claim, L-band requires 3 things.
Large size, Significant power and powerfull computation capabiluties.
The L-band radar on the Su-35 is lacking in 2 of these factors
Why do you think lower frequencies requires higher power?
The lower frequencies are more effective against stealth because they are not effected by shaping... think of it in terms of visible light... if you are tracking a target on the ground a high definition high quality of an image does not help if the target has excellent camouflage. A slightly blurry image where you track the entire object as a blob of colour or light however means it is rather easy to track and follow and would struggle to blend in to the background sky when it is moving and things around it are not.
The L band AESA antenna is not used for tracking, it is purely for detection and should be able to detect stealthy targets out to normal detection ranges for conventional aircraft because the overall size of the aircraft matters and not its shaping or coatings.
The NEBO radar on the ground uses Ku/Ka band high frequency radars but also lower frequency radars all together.
The signals and data are not shown separately but the information is collected and combined into a single display.
Think of it being the same as a digital video channel feed combined with a thermal video channel feed.... the digital video gives a high quality view of the things around you, but the thermal channel can see hot objects and objects that might be camouflaged with dead plants or paint or fabric, but being dead or being fabric it will stand out on the thermal imager.
The thermal imager alone would give a low quality view that makes identification difficult, but combined the two channels offer a much richer view of the world that is 24/7.
Adding low light capability and colour digital night vision will improve the view even more.
The point is that the nose mounted large powerful radar of the Su-35 and the wing mounted L band AESA radar antenna together with the IRST can combine to create a much richer view of the world around the aircraft than any of these systems on their own. The IRST is a passive system but the other radars could be used actively or in listening mode depending on the situation.
The range of frequencies it can operate in means the potential for an aircraft to just listen while ground or other air platforms scan in a wide range of frequencies to find targets of all different types.
.As for BVR, americans have yet to prove they can hit anything in BVR without AWACS support .
So its less BVR, and more staying hidden to get them in WVR position.
The Russians are on the verge of deploying short range R-60 follow on self defence missiles which will take self defence a step further by being able to intercept incoming SAMs and AAMs.
For internal carriage in bombers and fighter aircraft for self defence.
And as for the F-35, well i guess wave tactics is one way to make them usefull.
And how exactly is the Su-30 outclassed?
Even without upgrades the Su-30 can carry a lot of missiles... the F-35 not so much.
Unifying the fleet so the Su-30 and Su-35 use the same radar and engines and equipment and systems should result in savings and funding boosts to those companies that supply that equipment.
So its just a numbers game then, in that case we may as well bring the Mig-23s back, put an Irbis in them and load them up with r-77s and r-37s.
Lets the boys in front send the approximet firing solution and fire away.
Granted, they already have something like that with AD systems, but thats doesnt aplly here, apparently.
Actually S-70 with lots of long range AAMs loaded into them would be handy force multipliers... as would S-350 and S-400 and S-300V4 and BUK and other systems on the ground...
If su-30/35 were so good they wouldn't be developping a stealthy su-57.
Russia never made any commitment to go all stealth... they were always going to produce conventional aircraft alongside the Stealthy aircraft.
A heavy stealth fighter makes sense, but heavy fighters in general make sense if you can afford them and Russian heavy fighters are cheaper than western light fighters... hell Su-30s were cheaper than HAWK trainer aircraft.
With light fighters they need to get some 5th gen aircraft into production and service and determine if a cheap 5th gen light fighter is actually possible, and if it isn't then it probably does not make sense to have a light 5th gen fighter in numbers... which is supposed to be the purpose of a light fighter.
If they can get a light fighter of the 5th gen that is affordable then it would make sense to not bother with lots of light 4th gen fighters even if they are cheaper to operate than the heavies.
They are in the position where they have 4th and 5th gen heavy fighters in production and can continue to work on 5th gen equipment and technology and put it in all three types... (single and twin seat 4th gen and single seat 5th gen).
Pretty soon they are going to look at two seat and carrier based 5th gen heavy fighters too... a modification of the current single seater 5th gen.
They are also in the position where they have at least three options for a new light 5th gen fighter and probably more than that with MiG having a single and two engined options for land and carrier based aircraft, plus Sukhois Checkmate and there are probably planes from Yakovlev and Tupolev too, plus a super cheap single and twin seat 4th gen fighter (MiG-29M/2) and a carrier capable single and twin seat 4th gen fighter (MiG-29K/2) and an advanced but affordable single and twin seat fighter (MiG-35).
They also have wingman drones like the S-70 family of drones to add numbers as well.
They have some choices to make which no doubt will be based on what each department of OAK can come up with.
They are also working on a new stealth strategic cruise missile carrier/bomber, and a very very fast replacement for the MiG-31.
If they were the US we would be talking about how spoiled for choice they are...