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    Syrian War: News #22

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    Post  GarryB Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:09 am

    When guidance is cut, missile fly ballistically, so its fly path was predictable after missing the plane.

    Is it ballistic though... does it shut down the engine and then just fall, or does it just keep flying till the fuel runs out and then falls?
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    Post  nomadski Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:21 am

    https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2021/04/25/2491159/iran-s-top-general-warns-israel-to-expect-tough-response-from-resistance-front

    Better approach. However attacker together with general details of injuries or deaths or damage to all sides, should be told to the PEOPLE . No more cover up. No need for officials to do " ANALYSIS" or decide. The people analyse. They decide. THEY DECIDE....... Officials do what they are told by the people ( parliament). They declare war. They accept defeat or victory. You are responsible to supply FACTS. FACTS ONLY.
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Apr 25, 2021 12:28 pm

    nomadski wrote:If it was not for Iranian complacency and Russian caution in Syria, in the first place, then escalation and killing and continued bombardment by Usraelis in Syria and.... Would have not happened.

    I understand why the Usraelis feel suffocated. All around they see enemies. Because they are not just a displaced people. But also a misplaced people. No cure for their sickness, other than death or emigration.
    Unless you have a death wish you do not provoke a stronger enemy, you wait until you have gained sufficient strength to at least make that enemy think. I'd say that Syria/Russia/Iran have played a pretty astute game, being much better placed now than 5 years ago. That is the game now playing out.

    I'm sorry but the Israelis (or to be more accurate, the Zionists) made their bed, now they can lie in it. Many moons ago they made a few strategic decisions, war not peace with their neighbours, expand as much as possible, implement apartheid, infiltrate the US political system for financial and military gain. They have been amazingly successful in all four areas but it had the consequences we now see writ large.

    In particular, the now unstoppable rise of Iran, once the home of a very large Jewish diaspora, that they have succeeded, again very successfully, in turning into an implacable foe. As a response they are now moving to support the despotic regimes in the Arabian peninsular as their next, increasingly desperate, throw of the dice.

    Yet again, for the umpteenth time in history, Syria is again turning into the anvil. Hence the US and Turkish activity in the country and the slowly increasing confidence and reactions of the Syrians. Putin told Israel that Syrian forces were off the Russian AD leash and the IAF ignored it. I suspect that the IAF have no doubt now that their aircraft, if they strike Syria, will be pursued regardless of who's airspace they are in. They know that, if they keep pushing, the S-300 will come off the leash as well upping the anti. We get an indication from reports that Iran may be upgrading SyAF AD so will be after some real world practice.

    Israel is very aware that they are in a real bind now. Their confidence in their AD has just been shattered. If the SyAF down say an F-15 in Israel what do they do? Take it on the chin or heavy response? If the latter do they get a barrage of SAMs and SSM in response? Before they know it Hamas and Hezbollah will have fingers twitching on their fire buttons.

    They sowed the seed now they live in fear of the whirlwind.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Apr 25, 2021 12:30 pm

    nomadski wrote:Better approach. However attacker together with general details of injuries or deaths or damage  to all sides, should be told to the PEOPLE . No more cover up. No need for officials to do " ANALYSIS" or decide. The people analyse. They decide. THEY DECIDE....... Officials do what they are told by the people ( parliament). They declare war. They accept defeat or victory. You are responsible to supply FACTS. FACTS ONLY.

    Dream on.
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    Post  nomadski Sun Apr 25, 2021 5:14 pm

    @ johninmk


    ".... Unless you have a death wish you do not provoke a stronger enemy, you wait until you have gained sufficient strength to at least make that enemy think....."

    I have thought about this. And you are right, in the sense of thinking about balance of forces. But an enemy may not give you the luxury of timed response. Then what?  Take it on the chin because we do not have X, Y, or Z. Well the enemy by attacking will make sure that we do not get these anyway. So we are best to go to war when we are at the highest possible readiness. Which for Iran is now. Not next year.

    Iran's power will not be growing now, with all the sanctions. No big purchase of fighter aircraft or their manufacture in any significant number. Army probably can not get any stronger. Navy expansion needs decades and massive investment, not displayed by available numbers. Missile force is at maximum. No Nukes because of internal politics. Diplomacy is at dead-end. While there is actual physical damage to infrastructure by attacks, and even worse the continuous psychological damage to morale by attacks not properly responded to.

    ".... Dream on....." ......... Yup..... The fog of war and all that.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Apr 25, 2021 8:54 pm

    nomadski wrote:
    Iran's power will not be growing now, with all the sanctions. No big purchase of fighter aircraft or their manufacture in any significant number. Army probably can not get any stronger. Navy expansion needs decades and massive investment, not displayed by available numbers. Missile force is at maximum. No Nukes because of internal politics. Diplomacy is at dead-end. While there is actual physical damage to infrastructure by attacks, and even worse the continuous psychological damage to morale by attacks not properly responded to.
    You are far too pessimistic. Iran is getting stronger all the time, in part due to investing in making its friends stronger. I have no doubt that an oil for fighters deal is underway. The days when Israel could attack are now gone.

    Also re the tanker fire, looks like a welding screw up.

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    A fire that erupted on an oil tanker off #Syria’s coast had not been caused by a military attack, but broke out due to incautiousness and lack of safety precautions, said a Syrian military official, correcting an earlier report
    https://tn.ai/2490961

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    TankerTrackers: The tanker that burned yesterday off the coast of Baniyas is not an Iranian vessel, but a Beirut-registered tanker called WISDOM. The vessel helped Iranian supertanker ARMAN 114 offload 300-350 thousand barrels at a time due to depth restrictions.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:44 am

    More on the tanker. Almost all, apart from it not being an attack, not as previously reported

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    The explosion of a tanker off the coast of Syria:
    The military men of "RussVesna" on the spot managed to find out what really happened.
    The UAV attack is completely ruled out, the fire occurred inside the vessel.

    It is reliably known that an explosion occurred on the Iranian tanker "Wizdom" (under the flag of Panama) in the middle of the deck due to a short circuit in the electrical network, which caused a fire. There are no casualties.

    The commander of the grouping of Russian troops in the SAR made a decision to send an MI-8 helicopter with a spillway device; it made 6 drops to the fire site with a total volume of 30 m³.

    By 18.00 the fire was extinguished, the danger of spillage of fuels and lubricants in the sea was prevented.


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    Post  George1 Mon Apr 26, 2021 2:08 pm

    Posts about s-200 replacement and Bavar-373 transferred to the topic of syrian air defence here:
    https://www.russiadefence.net/t4460p75-syrian-air-defence-force#322766

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    Post  elconquistador Wed Apr 28, 2021 3:30 am

    Spriters11 has been suspended again.

    Does anyone know if he has a new Twitter handle (or any other platform for that matter, like Telegram/discord/gab)?

    Thanks in advance
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    Post  JohninMK Yesterday at 2:02 pm

    Try DaggRober.

    Last nights IAF attack was inland halfway between Latakia and Tartous. Must be in the Hmeimen air defence zone and must have been from the sea.

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    During the night it appears #Israel conducted an extensive airstrike in Northern #Syria. This was a larger scale operation than the usual airstrikes we have seen in the last several months.

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    Multiple sites were targeted. A civilian asset was struck in the Al-Samra / Al-Haffah area, causing the death of a civilian, and a Syrian military site in Deir Shamil, near Masyaf was struck, injuring personnel

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    Israel just killed a Syrian civilian and wounded others. The IDF bombed a plastic warehouse in Lattaquia.
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    Post  ahmedfire Yesterday at 3:28 pm

    Video of the air strike.

    https://twitter.com/OrientNews/status/1389737420929835008
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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Today at 3:29 am

    Russian air defense useless. Syria has to be delighted. No good advertising for Russiche products and security. It's just embarrassing that.
    Israel can do what it wants. When is it finally end? That was now in the core area with Russian S-400 coverage. Russia loses all credibility.
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    Post  PapaDragon Today at 4:03 am

    Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:...
    Israel can do what it wants. When is it finally end? ...

    When Iranians get it their heads that West Syria is already taken

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    Post  GarryB Today at 7:57 am

    The Russian components are there to defend Russian forces and Russian bases, Israel is free to "defend" itself by striking targets it will claim to be Iranian weapon stores or threats to Israel.

    Of course Syria does not have unlimited air defence systems or capabilities and I am sure they don't have all their best systems protecting plastic factories.
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    Post  crod Today at 8:56 am

    GarryB wrote:The Russian components are there to defend Russian forces and Russian bases, Israel is free to "defend" itself by striking targets it will claim to be Iranian weapon stores or threats to Israel.

    Of course Syria does not have unlimited air defence systems or capabilities and I am sure they don't have all their best systems protecting plastic factories.

    No indeed not however with them carry out hundreds of strikes already with who knows how many more to come, there won’t be much manufacturing left = less jobs, weaker economic activity post war. Perhaps that’s part of their military strategy, to weaken Syria in every possible way and do it under the guise of their ‘defending’ horse shit mantra.

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    Post  nomadski Today at 9:42 am

    West Syria is taken ? OK. Suppose this to be true. And suppose also Iran not having any direct military involvement in Syria. Then question is , should Russia protect Iranian or Syrian trade and supply convoys , from Usrael attack , passing through territory it has taken or controls? ( Red Sea / Black Sea convoy route).

    Putting it another way , should or would Iran protect Russian / Syrian trade and supply convoys passing through it's territory or area it has taken or controls , from Usrael attack ? Should Russia / Syria be unable to act in this area ( Iran / Iraq / Syria air and land  route).

    The answer to both these questions is yes.

    Edit : I already posted about importance of keeping military balance in regions of high instability or geographical choke points, such as Balkans or caucases or holy lands. The Usraelis as a small nation or city state, have too much power and Nukes. This enables aggressive attacks against weaker neighbours. Therefore they have no cause for complaints, if Iran or Russia builds up their neighbour's forces.
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    Post  miketheterrible Today at 11:45 am

    I actually agree that Russia should be also intercepting those missiles Israel launches if they are getting closer to Russia's controlled sector. To make it clear to Israel without actually posturing hard.

    But it may be a case that such missiles can only be intercepted at rather close ranges. What most posters here forget, or ignore, is that missiles that fly low, doesn't matter if the S-400 has 300km range. That range is reduced greatly unless there is an AWACS flying around and picking up said objects at long ranges.

    Otherwise, the system is there to protect against fighter jets, bombers and other bigger targets that do not fly low. For engaging missiles, it is more up to Tor, Buk or Pantsir to hit those and I'm not sure Russia has BUKS in Syria.

    So that would mean those missiles would have to be flying within range of about 20km or so.
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    Post  Hole Today at 11:52 am

    So the american and european taxpayers spend another 100 million bucks to destroy an old factory worth 50.000 bucks. Great victory for the western countries! Rolling Eyes
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    Post  crod Today at 1:22 pm

    Hole wrote:So the american and european taxpayers spend another 100 million bucks to destroy an old factory worth 50.000 bucks. Great victory for the western countries! Rolling Eyes

    Perhaps they use soon to be expired munitions for simple targets like civilian infrastructure? Still real time training for pilots too win/win.
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    Post  JohninMK Today at 4:12 pm

    Can't remember attacks by Israeli helicopters for a while.

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