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    Post  nomadski Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:49 am

    Turkey moving now , when Israeli strikes , or vice versa ? Russia building two new airfields in the North permanently . I doubt if Russia , even indirectly will oppose the Israelis , by supply of SRBM missiles . As some have said , Syria can turn to Lebanon or Iran or even Yemen . What's in it for Iran ? Perhaps a permanent base opposite Golan , and permanent route through Iraq to Syria and Lebanon ? Then supply some Rockets to hit  at the Isralites ! Till Doomsday . Russia can accommodate Iranian bases in the South . And Iranians will not mind about Russian bases to the North . Happy times . Russia is best opposing Turks , and Iran is best opposing the Zionists . Political reasons .

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    Post  nero Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:57 pm

    nomadski wrote:Turkey moving now , when Israeli strikes , or vice versa ? Russia building two new airfields in the North permanently . I doubt if Russia , even indirectly will oppose the Israelis , by supply of SRBM missiles . As some have said , Syria can turn to Lebanon or Iran or even Yemen . What's in it for Iran ? Perhaps a permanent base opposite Golan , and permanent route through Iraq to Syria and Lebanon ? Then supply some Rockets to hit  at the Isralites ! Till Doomsday . Russia can accommodate Iranian bases in the South . And Iranians will not mind about Russian bases to the North . Happy times . Russia is best opposing Turks , and Iran is best opposing the Zionists . Political reasons .

    They aren't building any 'new' airfield. They've been using them for a while (especially for rotor-aircraft)

    It has been confirmed that they're practising deploying fighter-aircraft there. It's likely a temporary deployment and in much smaller scale than what twitter has claimed, acc. to sat photos.
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    Post  nomadski Wed Nov 03, 2021 12:25 pm

    Of course it is not clear yet . And you may be right . But then again I may be right . I was looking for possible military aid to Syria by Iran . And there are so many options on the table......... ( watching YouTube ) , from missiles to Drones to Sea Mines , to specials ops , to undersea Drones and Divers . They are spoilt  for choice ! A division or two of Iran's elite forces in combat formation , near Golan , will prove very useful defensive measure too ! How many men in an Iranian Division ? I don't know , but felt good saying it .........

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    Post  Mir Wed Nov 03, 2021 12:47 pm

    A Pasdaran division near the Golan should make a lot of people very nervous! Laughing

    Seriously though Israel would see any large scale Iranian deployment near the Golan Heights as a major threat to "peace in the Middle East". You can expect a lot more terror in Syria if they do. The current effort in Syria should be in the North for now - removing all illegal occupying forces from it's territory.
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    Post  nomadski Wed Nov 03, 2021 1:15 pm


    We are already seeing a lot of terror in Syria . A division or two is no offensive threat to Israel . But makes it difficult for Merkeva or F16 to cross border . Meanwhile the Syrians can play with new toys in Israel . Hitting out from Iranian sector . The Russians can clearly be out of this region . And it is a kind of division of Labour ! And disagree about time for action against Israel is later ! They all move together , by accident or design . They are the same , as far as Syria concerned .
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    Post  ALAMO Wed Nov 03, 2021 1:30 pm

    Mir wrote:A Pasdaran division near the Golan should make a lot of people very nervous! Laughing

    Seriously though Israel would see any large scale Iranian deployment near the Golan Heights as a major threat to "peace in the Middle East". You can expect a lot more terror in Syria if they do. The current effort in Syria should be in the North for now - removing all illegal occupying forces from it's territory.  

    That is something that makes me wonder for years.
    A battalion of Iranian SAMs, lets say 10 years old, would be a great opportunity to test them against Jews.
    Not the latest ones.
    Not even the upgraded ones.
    Just to check the procedures, algorithms, train some soldiers in real battle conditions ...

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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Nov 03, 2021 2:27 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    Mir wrote:A Pasdaran division near the Golan should make a lot of people very nervous! Laughing

    Seriously though Israel would see any large scale Iranian deployment near the Golan Heights as a major threat to "peace in the Middle East". You can expect a lot more terror in Syria if they do. The current effort in Syria should be in the North for now - removing all illegal occupying forces from it's territory.  

    That is something that makes me wonder for years.
    A battalion of Iranian SAMs, lets say 10 years old, would be a great opportunity to test them against Jews.
    Not  the latest ones.
    Not even the upgraded ones.
    Just to check the procedures, algorithms, train some soldiers in real battle conditions ...

    That is the thing, if Iran wants to be involved, they should also provide the equipment. Even if not themselves, they can send it to the Syrian AD forces.

    Even Russia doesn't really arm Syrian AD forces with much modern units. Yet with older units they are rather successful for most part.

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    Post  Isos Wed Nov 03, 2021 4:46 pm

    Iranian AD units would be destroyed before they get deployed. Israel wouldn't wait to attack them.

    Assad is closer to Russia than to Iran. If Russia leaves he is dead. Iran is irrevelent for his protection against Nato. And Russia doesn't want Israel to get more involved thus they prevent a big Iranian support to Syria that would lead to more Israeli attacks.

    That's why they must be forbiding SAA to take delivery of Iranian big systems anyway and push Assad to reject Iranian help.

    By now they could have have built tebs of missile factories accross Syria.
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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Nov 03, 2021 5:59 pm

    Isos wrote:Iranian AD units would be destroyed before they get deployed. Israel wouldn't wait to attack them.

    Assad is closer to Russia than to Iran. If Russia leaves he is dead. Iran is irrevelent for his protection against Nato. And Russia doesn't want Israel to get more involved thus they prevent a big Iranian support to Syria that would lead to more Israeli attacks.

    That's why they must be forbiding SAA to take delivery of Iranian big systems anyway and push Assad to reject Iranian help.

    By now they could have have built tebs of missile factories accross Syria.

    They could be shipped and set up under guide of Russian transport and Syrian forces. Israel couldn't do shit then

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    Post  nomadski Wed Nov 03, 2021 8:31 pm

    As well as transported by Russia , they could be under joint Syrian / Russian command . If anyone gets killed , it won't be Russians , and they don't have to do anything about it . And they could make sure that Iranian troops act defensively inside Syria . Or if they counter-strike , it is from their own sector  and in proportion . This way Syrian troops and Iranian troops could station near Golan . With Iranian equipment . Sharing the load .

    About this problem of not being allowed to be deployed  by Usraelis . I remember in many wars , Tanks rolling off or being air dropped from transport planes . In this way , Russia could lend Iran some heavy transports and air cover over Syria . Then AD assets air dropped in ready state , together with parachute troops and Anti - Tank manpad . Deployment under 30 minutes . An AD unit has about 6 vehicles ? Or transport by sea , the usual route ?

    We can try it , to see if it works . On a small  scale . So no fear ! No wwIII yet . If new tactics work , then increase intensity and scope . Otherwise try something else . Tip toe . Tip toe . Present tactics are good but not suitable long term .
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    Post  ALAMO Wed Nov 03, 2021 10:23 pm

    Isos wrote:Iranian AD units would be destroyed before they get deployed. Israel wouldn't wait to attack them.


    That is just another kind of test, extremely valuable.
    If your opponent can destroy your systems before you even have a chance to deploy them, it is a sign that you need to improve.
    A lot.
    I would like to know that shit before someone will consider flying over Teheran attack
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    Post  GarryB Thu Nov 04, 2021 9:32 am

    Have to say I agree with Alamo... if the Israelis are attacking Iranian targets in Syria then Iran should send air defence systems to protect them...

    Some say if they do then Israel will destroy them... well Syrian troops operate BUK and Pantsir and they have been trying to take them out for some time and seem rather unable to.

    I agree the threat of Iranian systems there might lead them to a larger strike, but that is a test in itself.

    Iran should use this as an opportunity to test their SAMs and their techniques for dealing with enemy air power.

    I also would not agree with:

    Even Russia doesn't really arm Syrian AD forces with much modern units. Yet with older units they are rather successful for most part.

    Their problem is not quality of units, but lack of numbers to cover all the potential targets resulting in them using BUK and Pantsir and other air defence vehicles on their own or in pairs instead of in proper batteries as they were designed to be operated.

    What they really need and I suspect would be useful for Russia too, would be a mix of TELs, but also ready to fire trailers, so instead of having say two Pantsir vehicles operating alone and using up missiles and cannon rounds against drones and standoff weapons, they could have the two Pantsir vehicles using their sensors, both active and passive to detect threats but have missiles loaded in trailers around the base ready to fire to engage targets... missiles from tiny cheap weapons like Pine/SOSNA, or Kornet for use against cheap drones, though to 40km range 15km altitude capable Pantsir missiles able to hit standoff drones and any munitions they might launch at the battery.

    Or in this case the Iranian equivalent with 10 shot rocket pod packs that could be mounted on trainable trailer mounts stacked with 100s of interceptors ready to launch if needed... they don't need to be laser guided 80mm rockets... guided 57mm calibre rockets would be fine too... perhaps lofted up into the air with a glide package to attack targets out to 6km or so.
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    Post  medo Thu Nov 04, 2021 9:44 am

    I know for someone else, who would realy like to make real combat test for their AD complexes and that is China. Few days ago China clearly said to Turkey to get out from Syrian territory and relations between Turkey and China are worsening (Uygurs). China firmly stand on Syrian side and now they have great chance to test their drones and AD against western opponents as Turkey and Israel. Label combat proven is good for marketing...

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    Post  par far Thu Nov 04, 2021 3:47 pm

    GarryB wrote:Have to say I agree with Alamo... if the Israelis are attacking Iranian targets in Syria then Iran should send air defence systems to protect them...

    Some say if they do then Israel will destroy them... well Syrian troops operate BUK and Pantsir and they have been trying to take them out for some time and seem rather unable to.

    I agree the threat of Iranian systems there might lead them to a larger strike, but that is a test in itself.

    Iran should use this as an opportunity to test their SAMs and their techniques for dealing with enemy air power.

    I also would not agree with:

    Even Russia doesn't really arm Syrian AD forces with much modern units. Yet with older units they are rather successful for most part.

    Their problem is not quality of units, but lack of numbers to cover all the potential targets resulting in them using BUK and Pantsir and other air defence vehicles on their own or in pairs instead of in proper batteries as they were designed to be operated.

    What they really need and I suspect would be useful for Russia too, would be a mix of TELs, but also ready to fire trailers, so instead of having say two Pantsir vehicles operating alone and using up missiles and cannon rounds against drones and standoff weapons, they could have the two Pantsir vehicles using their sensors, both active and passive to detect threats but have missiles loaded in trailers around the base ready to fire to engage targets... missiles from tiny cheap weapons like Pine/SOSNA, or Kornet for use against cheap drones, though to 40km range 15km altitude capable Pantsir missiles able to hit standoff drones and any munitions they might launch at the battery.

    Or in this case the Iranian equivalent with 10 shot rocket pod packs that could be mounted on trainable trailer mounts stacked with 100s of interceptors ready to launch if needed... they don't need to be laser guided 80mm rockets... guided 57mm calibre rockets would be fine too... perhaps lofted up into the air with a glide package to attack targets out to 6km or so.


    I don't thing the SAA will accept anything major from Iran without the permission of Russia.
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    Post  par far Thu Nov 04, 2021 3:51 pm

    medo wrote:I know for someone else, who would realy like to make real combat test for their AD complexes and that is China. Few days ago China clearly said to Turkey to get out from Syrian territory and relations between Turkey and China are worsening (Uygurs). China firmly stand on Syrian side and now they have great chance to test their drones and AD against western opponents as Turkey and Israel. Label combat proven is good for marketing...


    The Chinese won't do that, China has very good relations with Israel and China is trying to win Turkey over to its side from the west. The Turkish economy is in a rough shape and they need China to help. When this panamedic is over, millions of Chinese tourists will be coming to Turkey and Billions of Chinese dollars are/will be following into Turkey.

    The Chinese will talk tough and it might work.

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    Post  thegopnik Fri Nov 05, 2021 2:11 am

    https://tass.com/defense/1357773 another staged chemical attack about to occur, this is boring I want to see the S-300s in damascus be put to good use with other short range air defenses. I know those Su-70s which already gave a good chance of sharing the Su-57s Larva missiles are specifically meant for Turkey. Its been a long time since we had a good war event attack

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