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    Post  JohninMK Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:30 pm

    Big truck!

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:36 am

    This is the tomb of General Issam Zahredin. THE hero martyr of the war in Syria, with a resting place to match. RIP

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:07 am

    All tankers now safe in Syrian waters.

    Also did you notice that the Syrian AD fired at an IAF aircraft with an S-200 over Lebanon/Golan last week? Change in rules of engagement?
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    Post  Maximmmm Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:09 am

    I would love some in depth report on how attempts at reconstruction and economic revival are going. We could secure the friendship of the Syrians for even longer if we played our cards right.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:36 am

    I know in the past there has been much talk on how 30mm AA guns are far better than the 23mm(Zu-23-2/ZSU-23-4) and the 14.5mm(ZPU-1/2/4) but they are still capable in my opinion. Here's a video of ZPU-4 taking down a Heli Mi-8.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:19 pm

    I remember reading comments by many pilots in Vietnam that said the 14.5mm was the most dangerous because it was high velocity and moved very fast but unless they were using tracer was hard to spot on the ground because of its small size and mobility.

    The rounds themselves were very effective against the light structure of a helicopter and would punch right through the lighter ones like butter.

    As you can see from the video it would require a lot of rounds to be fired to get a kill and it is not really clear what actually destroyed the helicopter... the large fireball suggests a missile IMHO.

    I would think that such a gun mount would be more valuable against ground targets... devastating against troops and light structures and vehicles... body armour means nothing to this gun.
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    Post  d_taddei2 Tue Apr 20, 2021 4:21 pm

    GarryB wrote:I remember reading comments by many pilots in Vietnam that said the 14.5mm was the most dangerous because it was high velocity and moved very fast but unless they were using tracer was hard to spot on the ground because of its small size and mobility.

    The rounds themselves were very effective against the light structure of a helicopter and would punch right through the lighter ones like butter.

    As you can see from the video it would require a lot of rounds to be fired to get a kill and it is not really clear what actually destroyed the helicopter... the large fireball suggests a missile IMHO.

    I would think that such a gun mount would be more valuable against ground targets... devastating against troops and light structures and vehicles... body armour means nothing to this gun.

    It's very likely fuel tank or ammo could have been hit causing fireball. 14.5mm would cut through aircraft and Heli no problems. 23mm even more so, and 30mm, 37mm, and 57mm, well they would be a definite game over, as for 85mm and 100mm well u just wouldn't want a direct hit looooool.

    I think the 14.5mm Gatling gun had potential and I think Myanmar putting it on boats would be devastating for anti piracy.
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    Post  Hole Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:52 pm

    Last night a syrian S-200 missile missed the target but flew across half of Israel and nearly hit their nuclear reactor. Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

    Iron Dome and Arrow are working as good as Patriot. pwnd

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    Post  medo Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:26 pm

    Hole wrote:Last night a syrian S-200 missile missed the target but flew across half of Israel and nearly hit their nuclear reactor. Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

    Iron Dome and Arrow are working as good as Patriot. pwnd

    You could add David Sling and Barak 8 here as well...

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:31 pm

    medo wrote:
    Hole wrote:Last night a syrian S-200 missile missed the target but flew across half of Israel and nearly hit their nuclear reactor. Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

    Iron Dome and Arrow are working as good as Patriot. pwnd

    You could add David Sling and Barak 8 here as well...

    Funny, because the Houthi's have used modified S-200 missiles as ballistic missiles to rip a new one in the SaudiMights. But remember guys according to the Israeli propagandists David Sling can defeat Iskander lol! lol1 clown lol1 clown

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    Post  Hole Fri Apr 23, 2021 11:50 am

    Now the israeli defence minister claims they launched 10 Patriot and some other missiles (David Sling?) against the SAM but missed it. Makes it even worse.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:28 pm

    Hole wrote:Now the israeli defence minister claims they launched 10 Patriot and some other missiles (David Sling?) against the SAM but missed it. Makes it even worse.

    Not just IAF but US operated systems by the look of it too Laughing

    The Yemini/Saudi problem could perhaps be blamed on the SuAF operators but these must be perfectly trained i.e. the 'best'. This is a huge and embarrassing problem for the US MIC. Will existing customers be demanding their money back as the system is clearly shown to be faulty?

    With even the US now repurposing their SAMs for SSM use they have no argument against this failure due to 'wrong' kind of missile. Laughing


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    Israeli Defense Minister Beni Gantz officially acknowledged that the attempt to shoot down the S-200PMT missile failed. 4 US and 6 Israeli Patriot SAMs & 2 Israeli SAMs "David Sling" missed the S-200 at 17 km M2.7

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:58 pm

    Yup, the wrong kind of incoming missile Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  lyle6 Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:26 pm

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    Israeli Defense Minister Beni Gantz officially acknowledged that the attempt to shoot down the S-200PMT missile failed. 4 US and 6 Israeli Patriot SAMs & 2 Israeli SAMs "David Sling" missed the S-200 at 17 km M2.7
    David's Sling, more like David's Sieve am I right? Queer thing really, lots of Western allies would be looking to supplement their own failing Patriots with Israeli SAMs which are supposed to be better and have the real-world interceptions to back it up. And then this happens. To add insult to injury its not even a full-fledged hardcore ballistic missile like the Iskander but an errant ersatz Soviet relic of a missile, the kind many shitholes have in their arms depot. If ever the Iskander missile is used against the Patriot or the David's Sling I can only imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth many fanboys Razz

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    Post  d_taddei2 Fri Apr 23, 2021 4:21 pm

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    Israeli Defense Minister Beni Gantz officially acknowledged that the attempt to shoot down the S-200PMT missile failed. 4 US and 6 Israeli Patriot SAMs & 2 Israeli SAMs "David Sling" missed the S-200 at 17 km M2.7
    David's Sling, more like David's Sieve am I right? Queer thing really, lots of Western allies would be looking to supplement their own failing Patriots with Israeli SAMs which are supposed to be better and have the real-world interceptions to back it up. And then this happens. To add insult to injury its not even a full-fledged hardcore ballistic missile like the Iskander but an errant ersatz Soviet relic of a missile, the kind many shitholes have in their arms depot. If ever the Iskander missile is used against the Patriot or the David's Sling I can only imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth many fanboys  Razz


    And I would add that Israel wasn't even the intended target, so if this was going to be a deliberate attack additional considerations by Syria would have been been made to make the attack successful i.e trying to avoid direct line of attack vs. Israeli AD.

    Israeli systems haven't got a hope in hell against Iskander. The Saudi patriots even failed to stop houti conversion of the S-75 Dvina Sa-2 into a surface to surface rocket. I would imagine the same results against Israeli systems
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    Post  Vann7 Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:23 pm

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    Israeli Defense Minister Beni Gantz officially acknowledged that the attempt to shoot down the S-200PMT missile failed. 4 US and 6 Israeli Patriot SAMs & 2 Israeli SAMs "David Sling" missed the S-200 at 17 km M2.7

    This is a lot more serious than it looks at first , this is syria sa-5 , that syrian s-200s air defenses use.

    Why if the info correct , can be a game changer? because it have been well know that russia air defenses can be repurposed its use very easily to attack ground targets too ,from s-200 to s-400 ,probably without even modifying the missile at all ,just giving coordinates to attack of a very low altitude target.

    Using an SA-5 interceptor missile as a ground attack missile , might not be practical for how small is the explosive that its carry to take down buildings , or military bases right? but if it is nuclear armed
    things change. And this is where the worry for israel likely comes , that this was an intentionally
    orchestrated message of Russia to Israel with a modified SA-5 . sending a message to israel how easy it will be for them to strike any place with good enough precision of israel . In case of a major war , that israel and russia start , russia can hit israel with soviet era missiles ,that will bypass their air defenses very easily and with the option at hand to arm them with a micro nuke warhead.


    This missiles warheads can also be armed with biological viruses too , and here comes the real worry part for Israel ,that iran have full access to this technology and can do it too . Cool

    probably what they are doing is using the sa-200 boosters , as decoys in the end of their trajectory ,
    you could arm the boosters with a fake signal ,duplicating the SA-5 warhead , so when the missile is close to be intercepted , drop its boosters as a decoy to distract israel defenses with a fake target.
    israel will have no way to know which is a booster and which is the real warhead , if they shut down their engines before separation of the booster and turn it on again. the new target will be the boosters and not the real missile. they could even reconfigure the SA-5 to glide towards its target in the last 10km-20km of travel while the 4 rocket boosters that give the missile long range ,detach from the main missile to confuse the air defenses of any air defense.

    in summary this major failure , teach israel that russia and syria (and potentially iran too) can strike any part of israel and cause as much damage to israel to any place as they desire.Some latest SA-5 missiles by the soviet union have 400km range as an interesting note..

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    Post  medo Fri Apr 23, 2021 11:30 pm

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    Missile was old soviet one.

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    Post  nomadski Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:48 am

    I said many years ago, that I was concerned about Iran missile firing into enemy territory. Because the electronics and guidance would be found and Missile compromised. Then someone said that the heat of explosion itself renders the pcb unidentifiable or useful. It destroys it. This PCB is in good shape. Looks like it is a bit smoky. But not what you would expect after being near 200 kg ? explosion. The wires should be melted and detached and capacitor should be smashed and detached .. Also these fragments were displayed very quickly after explosion. How long after? The Usraelis must be very efficient to recover small bits thrown hundreds of meter away, finding in the dark...?  I don't buy it. They should not throw stones, if they live in a glass house.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:13 am

    The difference between the SA-5 (S-200) and Iskander, from the normal ballistic missiles such systems are intended to engage is that while they also fly very fast just like long range ballistic weapons, their flight path is unpredictable.... they are flying like a plane rather than following a trajectory like a thrown rock.

    When you detect a rock that has been launched at you via a catapult you can track it for a few seconds and determine its speed and its flight path... if it is not powered then you can quickly project a future flight path along which you can launch interceptor missiles to intercept it, but these two missiles are powered most of their flight because Iskander is intended for evading air defence systems around the target so it manouvers all the way in despite moving at speeds of mach 6-7.

    The S-200 is trying to engage enemy aircraft targets out to 250km so it can manouver at mach 4-5 out to at least that distance not following a ballistic path till the rocket fuel runs out.

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    Post  medo Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:48 am

    GarryB wrote:The difference between the SA-5 (S-200) and Iskander, from the normal ballistic missiles such systems are intended to engage is that while they also fly very fast just like long range ballistic weapons, their flight path is unpredictable.... they are flying like a plane rather than following a trajectory like a thrown rock.

    When you detect a rock that has been launched at you via a catapult you can track it for a few seconds and determine its speed and its flight path... if it is not powered then you can quickly project a future flight path along which you can launch interceptor missiles to intercept it, but these two missiles are powered most of their flight because Iskander is intended for evading air defence systems around the target so it manouvers all the way in despite moving at speeds of mach 6-7.

    The S-200 is trying to engage enemy aircraft targets out to 250km so it can manouver at mach 4-5 out to at least that distance not following a ballistic path till the rocket fuel runs out.

    No, it made manouvers until it is guided to the target. When miss the target, crew cut the guidance, that next missile could be launched. When guidance is cut, missile fly ballistically, so its fly path was predictable after missing the plane.
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:21 pm

    Israeli revenge?

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    The image of the fire inside the ship loaded with oil off the coast of Banias ... where it is believed that it was attacked by a drone from the direction of Lebanon.


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    According to SANA News, the fire, which erupted in one of the tanks on board the vessel, has been completely extinguished. thumbsup
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    Post  nomadski Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:00 pm


    Russian escorts for Iranian Tankers, some said. But I do not see any escorts. Did they go to Crimea? Even with escorts, I doubt that Usraelis will stop attacks. Perhaps if Tanker carrying oil was Russian flagged and with Russian or Chinese crew ?

    The net effect of this Sea war between Usrael and Iran, is that their respective ships will in practice be stopped from traffic in the Red Sea. This is a net plus for Iran. Since it can use other shipping lanes and land routes. But Usrael can not. Time to sink the Usrael Sub.
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:34 pm

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    Russian escorts for Iranian Tankers, some said. But I do not see any escorts. Did they go to Crimea? Even with escorts, I doubt that Usraelis will stop attacks. Perhaps if Tanker carrying oil was Russian flagged and with Russian or Chinese crew ?

    As I understand it the Iranians will escort the ships to Port Suez whilst there will be a RuN escort to/from Port said. It seems that the vulnerable point, excluding the canal itself, is when the ships are lying offshore waiting to unload or waiting for a convoy south. No doubt that will know be addressed, probably initially with some strong words from Moscow.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:24 pm

    Could be more, better, SAMs on the way. After all Iran doesn't want to be left behind on the 'battlefield tested' opportunity. Very Happy


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    Post  nomadski Sun Apr 25, 2021 8:16 am

    If it was not for Iranian complacency and Russian caution in Syria, in the first place, then escalation and killing and continued bombardment by Usraelis in Syria and.... Would have not happened.

    A few years ago, no Usrael would dream of attacking Iran or Russia. Or even Syria. Slowly they gained the psychological upper hand. One attack following another. And still no reply in kind. They killed Iranian advisors in Syria. And Iranians covered up. They killed scientists and Iran refrained.

    Still now, some cover up these attacks. They embolden the attacker. It looks like Iran or resistance front have lost the battle already. Refusing to deter the attacker. Some news outlets deny this attack ever happened. Claiming a Syrian source, that it was an accident during repair work. With no casualties.....

    I understand why the Usraelis feel suffocated. All around they see enemies. Because they are not just a displaced people. But also a misplaced people. No cure for their sickness, other than death or emigration.


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