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    UAVs in Russian Armed Forces: News #2

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    Post  marcellogo Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:55 am

    Probably they want to keep Orion as a capable BUT strictly tactical System at the direct dependance of a Division or Army Corp commander, for Armies and MD level they would use Altius instead...
    So 350 Km is more than enough , any more than that would be overkill.
    In the Nato they are instead centralized and given in use to the Air forces.

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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:46 pm

    Orion UAV to be tested as a tank destroyer. 

    In Russia, tests of the Orion strike UAV continue. There are reports that this strike drone will soon receive new weapons for flight tests.

    According to RIA News, work has already begun on equipping the Orion with upgraded anti-tank missiles of the Vikhr-M complex. With reference to an industry source, the news agency reports that flight tests of the drone as a "tank destroyer" will be held this fall.

    It is reported that the drone will strike ground targets that will be simulated armored vehicles. Usually in such cases, decommissioned tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and other similar equipment are used at special training grounds.

    Source: https://topwar.ru/185440-bpla-orion-ispytajut-v-kachestve-unichtozhitelja-tankov.html

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jul 31, 2021 3:44 am

    Another factor is that satellite uplink and downlink time is still expensive and most of the time is intermittent.

    A full network of satellites should offer continuous coverage but in some places on earth you might only get 6 minutes of control as the satellite passes over every hour and a half...

    There are two main reasons you use a drone... one is that you can send it on its way and it can do a job for days at a time like border patrol or orbiting an enemy position just watching for long periods, or there is a risk of enemy action.... or both.

    In the case of HALE and MALE it is normally just the former... they stay in international air space and they essentially do what an MPA would do, but smaller lighter cheaper and often able to hang around longer.

    Using them as tank destroyers is interesting... certainly using Vikhrs is also interesting... being used from altitude it could probably hit targets at 20km range... I guess that is what they will be testing.

    Compared with a helicopter, using them on a drone would allow targets like enemy forces in vehicles can be engaged and they will have no idea what hit them... Vikhrs move at over 600m/s so they wont hear it coming.

    The thing is that I wonder if smaller lighter cheaper missiles could be adapted with wings to glide to target that could be just as effective but smaller and lighter and cheaper.

    Perhaps they want the range and penetration... but Vikhrs are cheap to make apparently and use the same beam riding guidance as Kornets.
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    Post  TMA1 Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:25 am

    When is russia actually going to come out with object 305? That would be incredible on a drone and might do much better against modern tanks with APS. Also wondered if they could use the missiles from pantsil, the new ones with increased speed, and essentially have a tungsten alloy penetrator rod inside. With the speed of those missiles it could override APS and essentially have the same speed and mass as a modern apfsds tank round.

    Vikhir is amazing and is still very relevant but against APS I worry it might not be powerful enough to push through the interceptor charge of the protection systems in modern tanks. Also 305 would be a big seller to a nation like Evypg with the ka52 and their new drones would sell like hot cakes.

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    Post  kvs Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:30 am

    It seems to me that Russian war planners expect satellite navigation to be taken out in any full blown war. Not having every piece
    of equipment and munition be dependent on satellites is a good thing. It is not as if Russia is so mud hut primitive that it can't
    into satellite navigation.

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:06 pm

    TMA1 wrote:When is russia actually going to come out with object 305? That would be incredible on a drone and might do much better against modern tanks with APS. Also wondered if they could use the missiles from pantsil, the new ones with increased speed, and essentially have a tungsten alloy penetrator rod inside. With the speed of those missiles it could override APS and essentially have the same speed and mass as a modern apfsds tank round.

    Vikhir is amazing and is still very relevant but against APS I worry it might not be powerful enough to push through the interceptor charge of the protection systems in modern tanks. Also 305 would be a big seller to a nation like Evypg with the ka52 and their new drones would sell like hot cakes.

    If the Vikhr is a beam-rider then you can simply launch two of them; they'd adopt the same trajectory one after the other to defeat APS
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    Post  Cyberspec Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:26 pm

    Russian_Patriot_ wrote:
    Lurk83 wrote:What
    The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is still planning to purchase only Orions in the basic version, that is, without satellite control

    They won't buy it currently because it was literally just presented by the company that makes it....doesn't necessarily mean they won't buy it in the future.

    The current contract with the MOD is for the standard version

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    Post  lyle6 Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:13 am

    kvs wrote:It seems to me that Russian war planners expect satellite navigation to be taken out in any full blown war.   Not having every piece
    of equipment and munition be dependent on satellites is a good thing.   It is not as if Russia is so mud hut primitive that it can't
    into satellite navigation.
    Russia's main plan against NATO is to take out all the force multipliers and enablers and make the fight more or less a more sophisticated version of cold war maneuver warfare. Obviously if you're going to do that you expect they will do the same to you. Only that fighting in degraded conditions is standard SOP in the Russian army - this is one of the few modern armies that still insist on paper maps when everyone else are staring at atak.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:37 am

    When is russia actually going to come out with object 305? That would be incredible on a drone and might do much better against modern tanks with APS.

    Vikhr would be much cheaper AFAIK as all the optics and guidance stuff is in the launch platform and can be reused over and over, while the missile itself is a cheap simple laser beam rider that can be used against air or ground targets.

    In fact I would think the laser beam riding Ataka would be good enough for most targets and lets face it... it would spend most of its time in places like Syria where the HE frag warhead model would be more useful most of the time than the HEAT anti armour version.

    They likely still have enormous numbers of these missiles in stock too and it would be cheap to mass produce.


    Vikhir is amazing and is still very relevant but against APS I worry it might not be powerful enough to push through the interceptor charge of the protection systems in modern tanks.

    As mentioned Vikhr is laser beam riding so you could ripple fire them easily enough, and to be clear... this is going to be used most of the time against terrorists who really don't have much in the way of APS protected tanks... I rather suspect it would be more often used in the HE Frag mode against light vehicles rather than in HEAT mode against hardened bunkers and heavy positions.

    Also 305 would be a big seller to a nation like Evypg with the ka52 and their new drones would sell like hot cakes.

    A big advantage of Russian systems is their variety of guided and unguided weapons, so you could buy a range of weapons with different performances and prices.

    It looks like it could carry two Project 305s per pylon, but with Ataka it could carry 6 on the Hokum or 8 on a Havoc.

    They won't buy it currently because it was literally just presented by the company that makes it....doesn't necessarily mean they won't buy it in the future.

    The current contract with the MOD is for the standard version

    They might go for a satellite version for special forces for the purposes of using the capability but having a small foot print in theatre, and perhaps naval forces or isolated Russian bases in foreign territory might use some just to increase their view range especially in areas with mountains.
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    Post  Cyberspec Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:12 am

    I don't agree with the view that the Russians don't want a UAV with Sat-Nav. If nothing else, it's needed for long range recon. And the Altius definately has sat-nav from the get go

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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:34 pm

    The Russian Armed Forces will receive 18 attack drones by the end of the year. 

    The Russian Armed Forces will receive 18 attack drones by the end of the year. This was announced by Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Alexey Krivoruchko during the Single Day of acceptance of military products.

    Earlier, Krivoruchko already spoke about the future of attack drones in the Russian Armed Forces and mentioned that they have already been tested in real combat conditions and have shown unconditional effectiveness.

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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:33 am

    APD-115T engine for Orion UAV
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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Fri Aug 20, 2021 2:16 pm

    The developer told about plans to create a drone carrier based on the Il-76. 

    A carrier aircraft for a swarm of strike and reconnaissance drones of the Molniya unmanned system is planned to be created on the basis of the Il-76 heavy military transport aircraft, the "Kronshtadt" general director Sergey Bogatikov said in an interview with RIA Novosti on the eve of the Forum "Army-2021".

    Kronshtadt is developing the Molniya unmanned group-use system. The complex will include attack and reconnaissance vehicles, as well as electronic warfare drones. It is assumed that they will be launched from a carrier aircraft.

    "The main idea is that it will be a real air launch. It provides for the possibility of basing Molniya on the Il-76" – Bogatikov said, answering a question about future carriers of drones from the system.

    He added that the Molniya drones are also planned to be used on the single-engine 5th-generation Checkmate fighter, a mock-up of which was presented at the MAKS-2021 air show.
    Bogatikov said that currently "Kronshtadt" is preparing materials for participation in the competition for the implementation of the preliminary design of the swarm system "Molniya". He clarified that the real devices of the future complex may differ from the models that were previously presented to the leadership of the military department.

    "What was previously demonstrated is still an advance project, a certain general concept that we offer. A mock-up of the device was demonstrated, but in reality it will be somewhat different-it depends on the tactical and technical tasks that the Ministry of Defense will issue for the system" – the head of the company noted.
    He added that Kronstadt has prepared a number of proposals for unmanned vehicles that can be part of the "Molniya" - of different dimensions, with different technical solutions.

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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Fri Aug 20, 2021 2:50 pm

    Medium-altitude strike and reconnaissance UAV "Sirius" began to prepare for production. 

    The Russian Kronshtadt company is preparing a new Sirius reconnaissance and strike drone for production, and the development of design documentation has been completed. This was stated by the General Director of the company Sergey Bogatikov.

    As Bogatikov explained, the new Sirius UAV is unified with the Orion, it is a heavier version of the UAV with satellite control and the ability to interact with manned aircraft. In addition, the Sirius is equipped with two engines, has a longer range and a larger payload.

    The full production of all operational and design documentation for the Sirius UAV has been completed. Pre-production is underway - he said in an interview with RIA Novosti.

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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Fri Aug 20, 2021 2:59 pm

    Kronshtadt has started preliminary design of the Grom heavy attack UAV.

    Russian Kronshtad company thas started preliminary design of the Grom heavy strike unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), the company's general director Sergey Bogatikov said in an interview with RIA Novosti on the eve of the Forum "Army-2021".

    "Grom is at the stage of preliminary design, it is being worked out" – Bogatikov said, answering a question about the stage of work on the device.

    Speaking about the possibility of Grom performing combat missions in conjunction with a manned aircraft, the General Director said that "various variants of performance (Grom) are being worked out."

    The concept of the Grom drone was first presented at the Army 2020 forum. Then it was noted that the mass of the device should be 7 tons, the weight of the combat load-2 tons. It was also stated that the UAV will be able to carry various types of aviation weapons, for example, X-38ML guided missiles or KAB-500S guided bombs. The maximum speed of the future vehicle was indicated at 1000 km/h.

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Aug 20, 2021 3:17 pm


    Drone carrier based on Il-76 is under development, it will carry Molonya UAVs

    https://iz.ru/1209930/2021-08-20/razrabotchik-rasskazal-o-proekte-samoleta-nositelia-dronov-na-baze-il-76

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    Post  George1 Sat Aug 21, 2021 5:38 am

    Interview with Sergey Bogatikov, General Director of the Kronshtadt Company

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    News agency RIA Novosti entitled " Sergei Bogatikov: a swarm of drones drums planned base on the IL-76 " , published an interview with the CEO of " Kronstadt " Sergei Bogatikova about this company implemented advanced programs in the field of unmanned aerial vehicles.

    The topic of integrating reconnaissance and attack unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) into the armies of the world is particularly relevant today. UAVs are being developed in various classes, including programs for the creation of vehicles that are not inferior to manned combat aircraft in terms of their capabilities. In the future, drones can make up a significant part of the Russian Aerospace Forces. The general director of one of the leading Russian UAV developers of the Kronshtadt company, Sergei Bogatikov, on the eve of the Army-2021 International military-technical forum, told Dmitry Reshetnikov, a RIA Novosti columniston the status and features of the newest unmanned system "Lightning", on the progress of work on the heavy attack drone "Thunder", the features of the "Orion" drone and the reasons for its superiority over the Turkish Bayraktar, as well as on the capacity of the future strike drone plant in Dubna near Moscow.

    - The Minister of Defense was presented with a new group-use unmanned complex "Molniya", which is planned to be used on various military aircraft. At what stage is this development now?

    - "Molniya" - a new system, these are swarm solutions. We are actively involved in this program, now we are preparing materials for participation in the competition for the implementation of the draft design. What was previously demonstrated is still a preliminary project, a certain general concept that we propose. A mock-up of the device was demonstrated, but in reality it will be somewhat different - it depends on the tactical and technical assignments that the Ministry of Defense will issue to the system. Now we have a number of proposals for unmanned vehicles that can be part of the Molniya system, of different dimensions, with different technical solutions.

    - On what media is the "Molniya"system supposed to be used?

    - The main idea is that it will be a really air launch. Possibility of basing "Molniya" is envisaged

    - When are the first flights of prototypes of the "Molniya" drones planned?

    - Depends on the terms that the customer can supply.

    - At the presentation of Checkmate at the MAKS air show, computer graphics were shown, where a link of new fighters drops unmanned aerial vehicles from the inner fuselage compartments, which then fly together with a group of fighters. Is it just about "Lightning"?

    - Yes, we are talking about unmanned vehicles, which are supposed to be developed within the framework of the "Molniya" system.

    - The United States is developing the Gremlins unmanned complex ("Gremlins"), which also deals with airborne drones. They have to return to the plane. Is the return of "Molniya" to the carrier being worked out?

    - Yes, we are working on this option. Here you also need to understand that the execution of devices from the "Molniya" can be in several versions: reconnaissance, shock and electronic warfare drones. The return of reconnaissance vehicles and electronic warfare drones is implied, the shock ones are obviously not, since it would be simply dangerous to return them, even if they were not implemented for some purpose.

    - What objects will be targets for the shock "Molniya"?

    - The main idea for swarm solutions is a breakthrough, first of all, of the enemy's air defense system. Modern expensive air defense systems that fire expensive missiles, their main Achilles' heel is the saturation of information channels. If the system is ready to shoot down 100 devices, and 100 devices are presented to it, then it works, and if it is offered 1000 targets, then it will inevitably fail and drown.

    What is good about swarm solutions is a grouping that allows you to solve this problem of oversaturation of information channels of enemy air defense systems.

    - At what stage are the work on the heavy attack drone "Grom"?

    - "Grom" is at the stage of preliminary design, it is being worked out.

    - Will "Grom"operate independently or in tandem with a manned aircraft?

    - Various design options are being worked out.

    - At what stage are the works on the construction of the first in Russia plant for the serial production of attack drones in Dubna?

    - We are building the plant at an accelerated pace. Our goal is to build a new plant in 10 months. In early March, the site where the plant is being built was an empty area of ​​the area, also swampy. We started the main work in April. Now 40% of the plant's buildings have already been built there. The order of all technological equipment, tooling has been fulfilled, and, moreover, the recruitment of personnel is proceeding ahead of schedule.

    In addition, on the basis of the already existing Dubna machine-building plant named after N.P. Fedorov, he is also part of Kronstadt, we are organizing additional workshops for the production of unmanned aerial vehicles. Heads of shops have already been recruited, personnel training is underway. And we expect that we will begin production of the first components for our drones in September this year, before the construction of the main plant is completed.

    We should receive a warm circuit at the new plant at the end of September, in the worst case - in October. At the site of the plant, soil replacement had to be carried out, there were problems with water disposal - we are on the coastal part of the "Moscow Sea", the terrain is very swampy. But now it's all decided.

    - How many drones are planned to be produced at this plant per year?


    - We proceed from the fact that we will need to cover all the needs for drones of both our national customer, the Ministry of Defense, and other law enforcement agencies, as well as ensure, not to the detriment of government buyers, the implementation of all export contracts. At the first stage, the plant's capacity will be dozens of unmanned systems, each of which includes at least three unmanned aircraft. According to our plans, we will produce at least 45 unmanned aerial vehicles per year. Moreover, starting next year, two types of drones may be produced - Orion and Sirius.

    - How is work on "Sirius" progressing?

    - For the Sirius unmanned aerial vehicle, the full release of all working and design documentation has been completed. Preparation for production is in progress.

    - How does it differ from Orion?

    - Our goal was for these two devices to be deeply unified. They are completely unified for the ground control complex, for onboard equipment, for the power plant and the propeller. The main difference is that the Sirius was built as a heavier version of the Orion with satellite control and with the ability to interact with manned aircraft, that is, it was originally provided for the installation of OSNOD equipment (integrated communication, data exchange and identification system - ed. ). Plus, it has more transport capabilities - it is equipped with two engines, has a longer range and a large combat load.

    - At MAKS-2021, Orion was presented, judging by its bow, equipped with a satellite navigation system.

    - It really is. We use the scientific and technical groundwork in the part of the satellite communication system created during the development of Sirius. The development of Sirius has not yet been completed, and it was decided to implement this reserve in Orion. Active work is underway in this direction. It is planned this winter to lift a vehicle equipped with a satellite communication system into the air. This work will significantly increase the range of the Orion-type unmanned system, limited by the range of the radio link.

    - What is the difference between the Orion complex and its version of the Pacer, which is supplied to the Ministry of Defense?

    - Let's just say that a foreign customer always has a number of requirements, this is a standard practice, with the adaptation of their components, primarily target loads and weapons systems. Therefore, we negotiate with each customer to optimize our complex for their specifications. At the same time, there are things that we have no right to sell to a foreign customer as part of Orion. That is, we shoot something, add something on the contrary. The "pacer" is a variant of our Ministry of Defense, which is the most top-end in equipment and its reconnaissance and combat capabilities and allows us to solve all the assigned tasks.

    - Onboard defense systems are used on Orion ?

    - The issue of an onboard defense system or electronic warfare is one of the priorities for Orion. We are currently working on different options for the "price - efficiency" criterion. In the future, our apparatus will have electronic warfare equipment - both to defend ourselves against missiles directed at it, and to suppress any enemy systems in the interests of other units on the battlefield. This is one of the most important functions of any military unmanned complex today, and we try to be in trend.

    - How accurately can Orion use unguided bombs?

    - The use of unguided weapons on drones is beneficial simply because guided high-precision weapons are always very expensive. At the same time, we have a very good ballistic computer on board that allows us to use free-fall bombs with performance close to high-precision weapons. In particular, good accuracy is achieved with OFAB-100, we checked this during tests at the proving ground. I can say that we work at ground targets with unguided bombs with our own sighting and navigation system no worse than the guys in manned aviation with Hephaestus.

    - How do you rate Bayraktar drones?

    - I will answer this way: if Bayraktar were designed in Russia, it would have a difficult fate, because this Turkish apparatus does not meet many of the requirements of our rules. If we compare the "pacer" with "Bayraktar", then I can definitely say that our complex has greater potential and capabilities. In particular, the "pacer" is much more technologically advanced in production, it is definitely better in terms of aerodynamics and elements of artificial intelligence.

    - What elements of artificial intelligence are there on Orion?


    - We have now reached a certain level of automation when Orion performs typical tasks. We can introduce a flight mission, which Orion will carry out completely on its own. Now the task is to move most of the processing of operational information and decision-making in connection with it on board the vehicle in automatic mode. For example, one of the following stages is associated with the independent maintenance of the survivability of the apparatus. This suggests that Orion or Sirius will be able to automatically reconfigure after any malfunctions or damage in flight. We are also talking about the automatic analysis of the situation on the battlefield and decision-making, for example, to bypass the air defense zone or the zone of unacceptable weather conditions. And here it is worth making a reservation,

    I want to emphasize that humans are the weakest link in both aviation and ground-based robotic systems. The fewer people are involved in management, the more reliable and efficient the aviation system is. The operator must make decisions, not pilot, that is, if it is exaggerated, then the control panel of the UAV should have only two buttons "turned on" and "won". We are moving in this direction.

    - Does Kronstadt plan to develop in the direction of so-called loitering ammunition?

    - We are interested in this direction, while there are no specific plans, but they may appear. To date, we are negotiating on this topic with the Kalashnikov group of companies, within the framework of which we propose the integration of their drones and loitering ammunition into a single information space with our ground control point. Last year we conducted an experiment, and both the Kronstadt drones and the STTs and Kalashnikov drones interacted with our ground complex. That is, the "Cubes" and "Lancets" transmitted information to our command post. In that experiment, we did not control them, but all the devices were integrated into a single information space.

    - Are you planning to give your drones the functions of countering enemy drones?


    - Let's just say that the issue of combating enemy drones with the help of our devices is still under discussion. But what you need to have unmanned fighters is a logical continuation of the evolution of aerial drones.

    - At the MAKS-2021 air show, you announced that unmanned helicopters developed by Strela, which was acquired by Kronstadt, will also be produced in Dubna. Will these drones be produced in a shock version?

    - Yes, they will also be able to carry weapons and perform strike functions.

    - Will such drones be used on Russian universal amphibious assault ships under construction in Crimea?

    - Definitely. We discussed the issue of using unmanned helicopters with UDC with shipbuilders. In my opinion, those promising drones that Kronstadt now have will definitely provide helicopter carriers. Moreover, if one day our country will be engaged in aircraft carriers, then first of all it is necessary to focus on unmanned aircraft. If only because they are lighter and easier to provide takeoff / landing from the deck of an aircraft carrier. In addition, they are smaller in size, therefore, they will take up less space in the hangar of the aircraft carrier. General Director of the company "Kronshtadt" Sergei Bogatikov (c) "Kronshtadt"

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    Post  GarryB Sat Aug 21, 2021 6:19 am

    As Bogatikov explained, the new Sirius UAV is unified with the Orion, it is a heavier version of the UAV with satellite control and the ability to interact with manned aircraft. In addition, the Sirius is equipped with two engines, has a longer range and a larger payload.

    So they are going with longer ranged higher payload drones for satellite controlled models... makes sense...


    Drone carrier based on Il-76 is under development, it will carry Molonya UAVs

    The air intake on the rear spine of the drone suggests it is supposed to be stealthy against ground threats and threats in the air at equal or lower altitude...


    - Will such drones be used on Russian universal amphibious assault ships under construction in Crimea?

    - Definitely. We discussed the issue of using unmanned helicopters with UDC with shipbuilders. In my opinion, those promising drones that Kronstadt now have will definitely provide helicopter carriers. Moreover, if one day our country will be engaged in aircraft carriers, then first of all it is necessary to focus on unmanned aircraft. If only because they are lighter and easier to provide takeoff / landing from the deck of an aircraft carrier. In addition, they are smaller in size, therefore, they will take up less space in the hangar of the aircraft carrier. General Director of the company "Kronshtadt" Sergei Bogatikov (c) "Kronshtadt"

    Unmanned helicopter drones offering direct fire support for beach landings would be very useful and capable and of course anti drone drones will likely be a must in the 2030s for all ships... they could be launched via slingshot or compressed air catapult and caught in a net if need be...

    The best part of the unmanned drone helicopters is that they could deliver direct live video feed to the troops on the ground in the landing and can be directed by the commanders in the field to hit machine gun or sniper positions that are causing problems.

    Super quiet electric powered drones could have microphone mounts to detect enemy gunfire and locate firing positions and types of weapons being fired to create a quick map of enemy positions for the attacking force so they can direct naval gun support... cannon barrel and rocket artillery barrages...

    Helicopters like the Ka-52K could hover or fly at a greater distance back and monitor with both radar and EO systems and launch heavier weapons at standoff ranges also communicating with the troops on the ground and looking for enemy air threats and enemy drones with 30mm cannon shells with airburst rounds to deal with the smaller ones and bigger missiles for heavier threats.
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    Post  ult Sat Aug 21, 2021 1:41 pm

    George1 wrote:
    - At what stage are the works on the construction of the first in Russia plant for the serial production of attack drones in Dubna?

    - We are building the plant at an accelerated pace. Our goal is to build a new plant in 10 months. In early March, the site where the plant is being built was an empty area of ​​the area, also swampy. We started the main work in April. Now 40% of the plant's buildings have already been built there. The order of all technological equipment, tooling has been fulfilled, and, moreover, the recruitment of personnel is proceeding ahead of schedule.

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    Post  Mir Sat Aug 21, 2021 2:08 pm

    ult wrote:

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    I wonder what the sign on the left means? No peeping? Laughing
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    Post  ult Sat Aug 21, 2021 2:23 pm

    Mir wrote:I wonder what the sign on the left means? No peeping? Laughing

    "The movement of all vehicles is prohibited."

    https://avtotachki.com/en/znak-3-2-dvizhenie-zaprescheno-znaki-pdd-rf/

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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:10 pm

    ZALA Aero launches development of Russia's first marine kamikaze drone. 

    The company ZALA Aero (part of the Kalashnikov Group of Companies of Rostec State Corporation) is developing a marine modification of the KUB-UAV attack unmanned aerial vehicle, which will be the first Russian model of this type. This was announced at the international military-technical forum "Army-2021" by the head of special projects of ZALA AERO Nikita Khamitov.

    "Ahead of the moment when the customer's requirements were formed, we initiated work on the "marine" modification of the KUB-UAV with the possibility of operating on high-speed amphibious transport boats and special-purpose ships, which significantly increases their combat capabilities" – Khamitov said.

    The manufacturer and developer of the novelty is a subsidiary of the ZALA group Aego. The drone's flight speed can reach 80-130 km / h. At the same time, the duration of its operation is 30 minutes, the maximum payload is 3 kg, and the dimensions are 1210x950x165 mm.

    After launching, the drone can barrage in the air, detecting a target, and then attack it from the upper hemisphere, having the ability to dive at the target along a vertical trajectory. This allows, for example, to hit tanks on the battlefield from the side of the upper hemisphere, breaking through the tower, which in the upper part has minimal armor. Conventional air defense systems will experience great difficulties when trying to counteract the concern's new high-precision drone.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:47 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Drone carrier based on Il-76 is under development, it will carry Molonya UAVs

    https://iz.ru/1209930/2021-08-20/razrabotchik-rasskazal-o-proekte-samoleta-nositelia-dronov-na-baze-il-76

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    Post  LMFS Sun Aug 22, 2021 1:03 pm

    From drones to robot civilization. General designer of "Kronstadt" about the future of UAVs in Russia


    The Kronstadt company today is one of the leading Russian players in the market of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), developing a whole range of products for various purposes. Its unmanned systems not only enter service with the Russian army, but also arouse keen interest among foreign customers. Nikolai Dolzhenkov, General Designer of Kronstadt JSC, revealed his vision of the further development of robotization of warfare, which is the main global trend today, in an interview with TASS at the Army-2021 international military-technical forum.

    - Nikolai Nikolaevich, an unmanned aerial system integrates various high technologies. How do you assess the level of development of these technologies in Russia and what do you think is the main thing in UAVs?

    - Today the leading countries are striving to autonomize the use of means of attack and defense. Autonomy is the goal of introducing artificial intelligence (AI) and ensures that adequate decisions are made without the participation of an operator. This is the main purpose of artificial intelligence technologies. This is, like the tip of the iceberg, the integration of all technologies, which, in fact, is our goal.

    How do I see unmanned aerial systems in perspective? It will be a kind of neural network, the elements of which will be able to interact with each other. Moreover, this network will be multi-level, starting from the mission computer inside the aircraft and ending with the interaction between these aircraft over a vast territory of combat operations, including all components - not only air, but also ground, space and sea. This is the main goal to strive for.

    As a matter of fact, we are now focusing our efforts on increasing the autonomy of actions. It cannot be said that all this will be decided tomorrow. No, this is a very long road. But the fact that this is exactly the general direction of development, including primarily unmanned vehicles, is the main thing. Now the "man-machine" contour has been implemented and is working quite effectively, and people make decisions only at the top level right now. Most of our processes are automated, but should be autonomous.

    There is a very large distance between these two similar terms. And just building a bridge, a road between these concepts, is our main task. These are not wings or engines, or configurations, or even technologies in the traditional sense of the word - although we have reached the level of advanced technologies. Without exaggeration, the technologies that we use in Orion are quite modern and in many ways are not inferior to the world level.

    We still need to catch up in terms of target loads, element base, and power plants. But in terms of the general level of technology, we are not inferior. I say this as a person who has seen similar foreign samples of this technology - the same Turkish, Chinese, Israeli and American vehicles. But this, I repeat, is not decisive. The determining factor is the intellect, which we must pump up, I don’t want to say complexes, because these are no longer complexes, these are systems of interacting complexes. This is the main thing, what you need to pay attention to, what to bet on and emphasis. And the aircraft itself is already a lower level of implementation of this trend.

    Of course, from the outside it is very important what kind of "nuts", bombs, engine, target loads and weapons are there. Yes, this is important, without this it is also impossible to do anything. But, I repeat, this is already an adjective. And the noun is how we teach our systems to think. This is the most basic thing in a drone now! Moreover, this cannot be demonstrated in any way at exhibitions, it cannot be touched, it can be shown only through the result of some actions.

    The development here is multivariate. If we take, for example, navigation, now nothing exists in aviation without satellites, and the accuracy of navigation can be ensured only with the help of a satellite. This means that all other systems are auxiliary - inertial, which give low accuracy, and so on. But satellites are a very vulnerable component, since its loss leads to a global loss of navigation accuracy. And this problem must be solved by a combined method, achieving acceptable accuracy in the absence of a satellite.

    And so on any of the systems. Any system needs to be intellectualized, that is, filled with the ability, each at its own level, to make adequate decisions in a particular environment.

    In addition, the second absolutely necessary function is the ability to self-learn. It is most important. The system should self-learn as experience and databases accumulate, which it itself produces as it develops and operates. This is how I see the picture and trend of the future applicable in my field to unmanned aircraft systems.

    As for the technological level of Russia and the leading Western countries, in many respects I do not like the current situation. Some isolation, which occurs in Russia for a number of reasons, greatly complicates development. In addition, in a number of technologies we have a lag, which, of course, needs to be compensated for. For example, we are somewhat inferior in target loads, power plants, although we are already rapidly reducing this lag. In practice, we caught up with competitors in aircraft weapons of destruction for this dimension. But we must achieve an advantage primarily in the development of artificial intelligence systems, which will determine the success of future exploitation.

    The applied attribute of AI is to create a system that, firstly, is capable of making decisions in a rapidly changing environment. Not in a stagnant state, not in a stable environment, namely, in a changing environment without operator intervention.

    And second, it is absolutely imperative to learn from your own experience and the experience of other related systems. They, like nerve cells, must be connected to each other. It should be a collective experience on which the program improves itself, and also without human intervention. I'll tell you more. I believe that a biological civilization is only an intermediate link to a non-biological civilization. An inevitable branch of development, since machines are more adapted to the environment than humans and biological beings in general. Therefore, it will be a normal outgrowth. First, components will be replaced in a person, and then he himself will become all artificial. And this will be the next stage of civilizational development, if before that the biological species does not self-destruct.

    - How is the development of the Orion long-duration medium-altitude UAV program going?


    - The Orion UAV program with a medium-range complex is the basic program and the main point of reference for the creation of various modifications, including not only reconnaissance, but also shock, as well as more advanced modifications related both to the proposals of the Ministry of Defense and supplies to export.

    The world need for complexes of this class is quite obvious - not only reconnaissance, but also reconnaissance and strike. For this, three suspension points of various aviation weapons (ASP) were initially provided, including, in addition to unguided traditional weapons in the form of 100 kg caliber bombs, also guided weapons, which have recently been created by enterprises - developers of aviation and other weapons defeat specifically for the Orion complex. Among them: guided air bombs (KAB), guided missiles and air planning bombs. This is the main range of ASPs offered for use by the Armed Forces on the Orion complex.

    At the same time, taking into account the earlier deficit of this class of ASP in caliber 50 kg, our company decided to start developing KABs, the main criterion of which was the maximum reduction in the cost of a "shot".

    In an experimental format, we have produced a series of ASPs, which have shown an efficiency of more than 80% in tests. By this time, third-party manufacturers of ASPs took part in the work, which in turn developed planning aircraft weapons, also in an experimental version, in a caliber of 50 kg and guided missiles in the same caliber. Also today, development work on the creation of an ASP of 20 kg caliber is close to completion. All of them have combined control systems, including satellite navigation and laser guidance in the final phase of the flight. Our analysis shows that the most adaptive for solving reconnaissance and strike missions are KABs, which are not inferior in efficiency to guided missiles, and are safer in terms of interfaces when used with an aircraft.

    What further development of the Orion UAV complex do we propose to our Ministry of Defense? This is the installation of a satellite terminal on board and a satellite communications ground station. This will allow, first of all, to increase the range of control and information acquisition. The range of obtaining information will be practically limited only by the range of the UAV, which, in turn, is limited by the fuel supply.

    Thus, we will get the most complete function of an unmanned complex, conditionally, medium-range and practically equal in tactical and operational capabilities with American and Israeli complexes of a similar class MALE (medium-altitude, long-endurance).

    We hope that in addition to today's serial deliveries of Orion, the Ministry of Defense will order an additional number of satellite-based systems for delivery to the Armed Forces. In addition, this option will significantly increase the export potential of the complex, since foreign customers in most cases want to have a satellite component of communications.

    We have applications for possible export deliveries. Negotiations are underway with potential customers of the Orion-E complex. At the same time, our position is that we are ready, at the request of the customer, to adaptively offer the installation of both target loads and means of destruction, as well as consider the possibility of locating the production of complexes on the customer's territory.

    We hope to compete in the market with the offers of other participants. All activities to promote the complex to the export market, of course, are carried out through JSC Rosoboronexport.
    As for the increased PN and flight range - while we do not assume this apart from the appearance of a more powerful engine. When a more powerful engine becomes available, some increase in takeoff weight and payload may be considered. But this is still a prospect.

    - At the Army-2020 forum, the Kronstadt company demonstrated the concepts of the new Helios-RLD and Thunder UAVs. What is the state of these programs now?

    - We proactively began work on the creation of an unmanned radar patrol and guidance aircraft (RLDN), considering this direction to be paramount for our country in the interests of creating a continuous radar field in the necessary directions.

    Helios-RLD aircraft should be integrated into a network that interacts within the air defense system with an automated control system, and be harmoniously combined with the operation of manned RLDN aircraft of the A-50 or A-100 type. UAVs will be significantly cheaper, have a significantly longer flight duration and even a higher flight altitude, as well as a range. Thus, information awareness and airspace control will be ensured.

    Today we are at the stage of developing a preliminary design and hope to receive a contract from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. We consider this development extremely relevant not only for the Aerospace Forces and Air Defense, but also for the aviation of the fleet and ground forces.

    As before, preliminary work is underway to create a multipurpose high-speed UAV designed to work both in independent operations and in joint operations with manned operational-tactical aviation under the code name "Thunder". We also hope that the Ministry of Defense will be interested in this work and that our relations in this area will be formalized.

    - Is it possible to use the scientific and technical groundwork formed by the Kronstadt company for military and civilian programs when creating a supersonic civilian aircraft?

    - The Zhukovsky Research Center approached us with work on the possible creation of a prototype demonstrator of a supersonic "business jet" in an unmanned version. We considered this possibility and came to the conclusion that, given the required level of funding, the creation of such a demonstrator for solving a number of scientific, technical and research problems is realistic. The demonstrator will be able to answer a number of fundamentally important questions related to the influence of supersonic commercial flight on the ground infrastructure of cities and towns, and will allow designing a more competently real prototype. This is an important scientific and technical task, a global trend in which both American and Japanese firms are now participating. As part of a scientific and technical consortium, we are ready to offer our technologies for creating such a prototype.

    This demonstrator should be in dimensions close to real, on a scale, for example, one in three, and not one in forty, since most negative physical phenomena do not scale. We had a meeting on this issue with the involvement of the heads of institutes, and they asked to use our groundwork in solving this problem. With the required level of funding, in principle, this is possible. Not only through the efforts of our team, but also of a number of enterprises, this problem is being solved using the existing groundwork.

    But the creation of a real supersonic "business jet" will require the creation of a fundamentally different engine, which does not yet exist. And now this is the task of the United Engine Corporation (UEC). The aircraft must have a variable cycle engine specialized for supersonic flight with predominantly acceptable flow characteristics and with a variable bypass ratio. And this is a separate scientific and technical task, which should also be solved within the framework of the UEC state program as a priority. Without such an engine, the creation of a full-scale commercially viable supersonic aircraft is problematic.

    Getting the plane to fly supersonic is not a problem. The problem is the creation of a commercial commercial aircraft. And this requires other scientific and technical solutions, associated primarily with the power plant and the development of the aerodynamic configuration. And all this together must have characteristics that do not degrade the environment, that is, have acceptable noise characteristics, emission characteristics, and so on. This is the main task that must be solved in this project.

    We are talking only about an unmanned prototype demonstrator, which in the flight program will allow us to measure some parameters that will need to be relied on when creating a full-scale project. This is a very important intermediate step in the creation of a supersonic "business jet" or, in the future, a large supersonic aircraft.

    - What can you say about the combat use of UAVs in Nagorno-Karabakh?

    - From my point of view, we really have a successful demonstration of such unpunished use of unmanned technologies in combat operations against an unprepared adversary. I appreciate it this way. On the one hand, these technologies really allow you to hit targets without risking your own soldiers and pilots. On the other hand, the level of weapons that the troops of Nagorno-Karabakh had, of course, did not correspond to the modern level. And I would call it a "brilliant" marketing demonstration to increase the rating of the export potential. And against modern "Pantsir" (self-propelled anti-aircraft missile-gun system - approx. TASS), this story would not have passed.

    But this is a very good illustration of the trend that prevails in the world in this direction today. That is, the robotization of means of warfare is the main global trend.

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