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    UAVs in Russian Armed Forces: News #2

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    Post  Isos Mon May 30, 2022 5:25 pm

    Hole wrote:The most important drones are Orlan-10, because it is a real force multiplier for artillery, tanks and infantry, and Okhotnik, which uses the same tech as
    the Su-57, with sophisticated ELINT and ECM systems and all kinds of weapons, including long-range ARM´s against air defence. All other drones are just
    filling small niches. The only other drone really needed is a heavy helicopter drone to relieve Ka-52 or Mi-28 or the Su-25 from the duty of flying for half an
    hour just to release some unguided rockets against a target.

    Most of the iranian drones shown in the last video of that underground facility were just an a pair with the La-17 produced in the 60´s. Their other drones
    will survive as long as the turkish Bakshish against an enemy with decent air defence. Iran is only using these drones because it can´t build sophisticated
    combat aircraft. They needed 40 years to copy the T-5 trainer.

    They have quite capable loitoring munitions, some of which have ranges that transforms them into cruise missiles.

    US army can't sustain huge losses in case of an invasion. So if half of all their long range ballistic missiles hit their targets and if they manage to field 10 000 lancet like suicide drones with 1000 operators to hunt US vehicles then they will be safe.

    Add to this they have plenty of anti ship missiles and mines to close the strait and lot of small range ballistic missiles in Iraq to harass US forces in the area.

    Their drones may also harass US forces but they aren't game changer specially when your adversary has a far better air force.

    However they lack a decent air force and their AD forces are probably too small since they have bought really low amounts of russian systems and their own production may not be as advanced as the one for ballistic missiles or drones.

    IMO they have enough to face a US invasion but not enough to stop an air raid against their nuclear centers.
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    Post  GarryB Mon May 30, 2022 5:53 pm

    The Orlan-10 is a tactical recon drone with some ad-hoc grenade chugging ability added.

    I would not call that ad hoc... there are off the shelf drones with release mechanisms that let standard hand grenades go inside glass cups with the pins already pulled so when it hits the ground the cup shatters and the grenades arm is released (no pin holding it) and it explodes seconds later... that is Ad hoc.

    This is a faired bomb holder with two small bombs that look like enlarge 40mm grenades but don't have their primers and propellent sections and have tail fins added... these are custom modified bombs that might be 1 or 2kgs which means four or more times more explosive and fragments than your average hand grenade.

    We have already seen custom designed bombs and guided missiles designed specifically for drones and presumably light aircraft like that armed Ansat helo for example... the Russians are taking weapons for drones even more seriously than the west.

    The video footage of the attack on the M777 battery would suggest a simple arrangement with continuously computed impact point (CCIP) avionics... it looks more like a bigger bomb than a normal hand grenade and a guess based on altitude and flight speed... which in this case is good enough.

    A much larger (unmanned) aircraft could have an internal bomb bay with hundreds of these bombs it could fly down trench lines or along a convoy of trucks dropping a string of bombs to kill and damage over a wide area... a cruise missile could carry them ejecting them upwards in flight as it flies down a trench line or a runway or street with a convoy of troops or trucks...

    I agree with MiG-31... I think it makes sense for Russia and Iran to work together... they face similar enemies and each can provide information and experience and technology that will make both sides more effective and safer which is good for both parties.

    Part of the problem is that Iran saw the Soviet Union as being just as bad as the big evil west and have no more reason to trust them than Russia has to trust Iran.

    The idea of the enemy of my enemy is my friend is just stupid and can lead to cooperation with Nazis and muslim extremist nutters and just general scum, but Iran and Russia have some history of conflict but nothing really evil and bad... it makes sense for them to work together and help each other... a successful Iran is no threat to Russia and a successful Russia is not threat to Iran.

    If the west applied that rule they would work out that successful ISIS and Nazis in Ukraine would want to spread their Caliphate and their white supremacist ideology to other countries (respectively)... and the West don't want them active against anyone except Russia or her allies.

    Their drones may also harass US forces but they aren't game changer specially when your adversary has a far better air force.

    Against larger drones fighter aircraft are very effective... just see the MiG-29 shooting down the Georgian Forpost in 2008... but against smaller drones airpower is absolutely useless... look at Saudi Arabia with drones and cruise missiles.

    Using airpower to constantly look for drones and cruise missiles is expensive and not particularly effective... sometimes their short range means not very long to spot them and deal with them...

    Iran should look into working with Russia on their new SAMs like Pine which is a simple cheap and very effective SAM that they could produce in large enough numbers to make them relevant on a battlefield... they could develop a version with a HEAT warhead for dual use anti air and anti armour use...
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    Post  RTN Tue May 31, 2022 3:45 am

    GarryB wrote:Iran should look into working with Russia on their new SAMs like Pine which is a simple cheap and very effective SAM that they could produce in large enough numbers to make them relevant on a battlefield... they could develop a version with a HEAT warhead for dual use anti air and anti armour use...
    Iran??? Iran can't even face Pakistan. They back off every time Pakistan mobilizes its troops. Pakistani air force is at least 2 gen ahead of Iran and you think Iran can face the U.S.
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    Post  Isos Tue May 31, 2022 4:34 am

    look at Saudi Arabia with drones and cruise missiles.

    Actully I saw a video they shared, saudi f-15 have destroyed plenty of drones there. However they ran out of missiles quickly.

    Iran should look into working with Russia on their new SAMs like Pine which is a simple cheap and very effective SAM that they could produce in large enough numbers to make them relevant on a battlefield... they could develop a version with a HEAT warhead for dual use anti air and anti armour use...

    I agree it would be the best system because you can't jamm it and it is a passive system.

    But they would need a very large quantity since it's a small range missile system.at least 600-800 would be needed.
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    Post  andalusia Tue May 31, 2022 4:59 am

    RTN wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Iran should look into working with Russia on their new SAMs like Pine which is a simple cheap and very effective SAM that they could produce in large enough numbers to make them relevant on a battlefield... they could develop a version with a HEAT warhead for dual use anti air and anti armour use...
    Iran??? Iran can't even face Pakistan. They back off every time Pakistan mobilizes its troops. Pakistani air force is at least 2 gen ahead of Iran and you think Iran can face the U.S.

    Iran and Pakistan are enemies? I thought both had good relations with each other.

    https://www.quora.com/Are-Pakistan-and-Iran-enemies

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    Post  Isos Tue May 31, 2022 5:19 am

    andalusia wrote:
    RTN wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Iran should look into working with Russia on their new SAMs like Pine which is a simple cheap and very effective SAM that they could produce in large enough numbers to make them relevant on a battlefield... they could develop a version with a HEAT warhead for dual use anti air and anti armour use...
    Iran??? Iran can't even face Pakistan. They back off every time Pakistan mobilizes its troops. Pakistani air force is at least 2 gen ahead of Iran and you think Iran can face the U.S.

    Iran and Pakistan are enemies? I thought both had good relations with each other.

    https://www.quora.com/Are-Pakistan-and-Iran-enemies

    They better be friendly since they face the same enemies like talibans, alquaida and USA and have the same friendly parteners like Russia and China.

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    Post  George1 Thu Jun 02, 2022 6:58 am

    Kronshtadt expands UAV production and hires staff

    June 1st, 20:55
    Recent developments in the military-political sphere appear to be leading to an unprecedented boom in UAVs, including in Russia. The Russian UAV development and production industry is already in a state of rapid ascent and is preparing for even larger expansions. Kronshtadt JSC, the leading domestic company for the development and production of large UAVs, which commissioned Russia's first specialized serial plant for the production of large-scale unmanned aerial vehicles in Dubna, near Moscow, at the end of 2021, is actively recruiting in this regard.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4534702.html

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    Post  owais.usmani Thu Jun 02, 2022 7:36 am

    RTN wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Iran should look into working with Russia on their new SAMs like Pine which is a simple cheap and very effective SAM that they could produce in large enough numbers to make them relevant on a battlefield... they could develop a version with a HEAT warhead for dual use anti air and anti armour use...
    Iran??? Iran can't even face Pakistan. They back off every time Pakistan mobilizes its troops. Pakistani air force is at least 2 gen ahead of Iran and you think Iran can face the U.S.

    You smoking some high quality weed are you? When did Pakistan mobilize its troops against Iran???

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    Post  GarryB Thu Jun 02, 2022 9:28 pm

    Iran??? Iran can't even face Pakistan. They back off every time Pakistan mobilizes its troops. Pakistani air force is at least 2 gen ahead of Iran and you think Iran can face the U.S.

    Iran isn't the US... they don't attack for fun or for practise... Iran faces the US because the US gives them no other choice...

    I would say that Pakistan having nuclear weapons is more of a deterrent to conflict than Pakistans air force, but I was not aware of any animosity between the two countries like there is with say Pakistan and India or Iran and Israel or Iran and Saudi Arabia.

    Actully I saw a video they shared, saudi f-15 have destroyed plenty of drones there. However they ran out of missiles quickly.

    Well they don't seem to have even noticed the cruise missile attacks until explosions started happening at their oil refineries... so the level of protection is very poor.

    But they would need a very large quantity since it's a small range missile system.at least 600-800 would be needed.

    If they made it locally they could get to those sorts of numbers eventually and the whole point is that these systems could be used together with other longer range systems they already make or buy from China and Russia.

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    Post  limb Fri Jun 03, 2022 12:49 am

    Are there any fully domestic producers of quadcopter drones in Russia?

    How many years will it take for the russian army to substitute civilian DJI drones?
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    Post  gc3762 Sun Jun 05, 2022 11:35 pm

    https://tass.com/defense/1459967

    Rostec designs new UAV navigation system, making drones invulnerable to electronic warfare
    The design is implemented as a closed-loop guidance system, it will be more accurate than an inertial navigation system
    MOSCOW, June 3. /TASS/. The Kalashnikov group of companies (part of Rostec corporation) have designed a new type of navigation for unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), which makes them practically invulnerable to electronic warfare systems, TASS learned from Rostec on Friday.

    "The design does not rely on satellite navigation and is implemented in the form of a closed-loop guidance system. This allows the drone to successfully counter electronic warfare systems, making it impossible to seize control over it," the company said.

    Besides, the new navigational system is more precise than the Inertial Navigation System (INS). According to designers, the use of it will help to minimize the number of lost drones.

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    Post  thegopnik Tue Jun 07, 2022 7:07 pm

    https://tass.com/defense/1461445

    MOSCOW, June 7. /TASS/. The most advanced deck-based unmanned aerial vehicle is scheduled to make the first test flight in 2025, a source in the defense sector told TASS.

    "The first prototype of the domestic deck-based drone will make the test flight in three years. Series production of the drone for the Navy will start in 2026," the source said.

    The front-end engineering design of shipborne strike and reconnaissance drones will begin in the second half of this year and the design is expected to be delivered in 2024, the source noted. "Detail engineering documents will be released and preparation for aircraft production will start in 2025," he added.

    TASS has no official information in this regard.


    are they talking about this drone you think?

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    Post  GarryB Wed Jun 08, 2022 1:22 am

    They mention helicopter based drones but this VSTOL take off model would be useful too.

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    Post  Gazputin Wed Jun 08, 2022 5:10 am

    so they are talking about roughly the same time the project 23900 heli-carriers arrive
    they are about 32m wide ?

    so Sirius at 30m wingspan is nonsense..... even current Orion at 16m span .... is pushing it - re control tower complex

    I think it will be heli and the Frigate .... both are under development at Kronstadt
    Frigate makes total sense to me for any carrier

    guess 1st thing they will really want something to hike an AWACs type system to a decent altitude .... I would

    Frigate works for me ... if you assume your satellite GPS will be jammed

    last I heard on Frigate was they were making a 1/3 prototype
    assume that is to do will available engines ?

    what you really want of course is electric motors in swiveling pods
    like pod drives in a ship
    you don't want fuel lines etc in a setup like that

    interesting days .... as always ... with Russia involved

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