US-Iran standoff 2019- #2

@ Victor

They had to do something. It is all a shock. They may not be ready yet. So a slap in the face. No casualties. I understand this. But foreign minister said concluded retaliation for dead General. To USA. So is it slap in face or retaliation?  This act of war, can not simply be answered by missile strike to empty base camp. Also Iran did not mobilise millions. Death of General did this. Iranians are wasting chance to act. Because of weak government.

@ parfar

Agree that they need to strike with full power. Maybe they were not ready yet. But to lie to Iranian people is their main crime. To say something at home. And something to yank. Hoping it will be forgotten. They can and should appease people. The technical of strike as slap, is not the problem. It is what they said about it. Also kicking out the Americans worked in Korea and Vietnam and Cuba and Iran. Why not Iraq and Syria or Afghanistan?

@ Dima

Given the circumstances, the technicals of strike were good. For initial slap. But to say this was adequate response to war by yank and detterent is wrong. Trump just increased sanctions. More starvation. Do you call this detterence? Also the time for existential threat to Iran had come few years ago, and also now, with riots on street and government shooting etc. Yet this weak government is one of defeat and  appeasement. If you are in existential threat, too late to go to war. You dead already. Weak and incapable leadership. There is weak economic growth. Yet increase in population. Decrease in nutritional intake. Together with 16 million on food stamps. Mass unemployment. Inability to form families. It is all coming to a halt.

@ Mindstorm

True Persians had civilization. They also had great generals, and they were ready to go to war to fight to keep the world in order. Not just sit and watch. Look at their weapons from history.

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After seeing these images it is clear the accuracy of Iranian missiles is no longer in doubt (I was concerned going to bed last night after viewing one pic on the bbc). The US response matches the global opinion in my view, that of shock Iran hit back and was able to do so.
It is clear Iran avoided casualties here, as I posted straight after the attack, this was as much about a warning to the KSA (who must be really shitting themselves now tbh) and to israel who know now for sure that Iran has the abilities they claim to have (albeit their longer range missiles were not used) but most importantly, if attacked, they will attack back - that’s the crucial part of all this.
I expect to see the proxies ramp up activity now too - for the Iranians this ain’t over and their long term objectives will hard fastened because of this.
Trumps words on NATO et al involvement in the ME sounded defeatist to me.
I still call this a win for Iran because not just the region but the world got to see what’s going to happen if this nation is poked enough - it has its red lines and sticks by them.
Iran attacked US bases from within irrespective of the comments on here, not many have ever achieved this and the fact that Iran chose to spare lives was at their mercy and no one else's, this will not be missed by the Americans or anyone.

Looks like prixy turn.


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nomadski wrote:@ Victor

They had to do something. It is all a shock. They may not be ready yet. So a slap in the face. No casualties. I understand this. But foreign minister said concluded retaliation for dead General. To USA. So is it slap in face or retaliation?  This act of war, can not simply be answered by missile strike to empty base camp. Also Iran did not mobilise millions. Death of General did this. Iranians are wasting chance to act. Because of weak government.

@ parfar

Agree that they need to strike with full power. Maybe they were not ready yet. But to lie to Iranian people is their main crime. To say something at home. And something to yank. Hoping it will be forgotten. They can and should appease people. The technical of strike as slap, is not the problem. It is what they said about it. Also kicking out the Americans worked in Korea and Vietnam and Cuba and Iran. Why not Iraq and Syria or Afghanistan?

I am sorry nomadski but what did they exactly say at home?

Leader said strike was only slap and revenge is another thing. Foreign minister said this strike concluded the retaliation of Iran over assassination. One is for domestic use, hoping people will forget war crime. Another is real offer of bend over by Iran to yank . We will do nothing for death of General. It is over! You killed. We forgive you. We bend over. We are weak. We are traitor.................

Trump now happy. More sanction. And another murder soon. Followed by another bend over. Bitch pillow fight and more bend over........

par far wrote:.....You can fuck off fake Serb

Fuck off Iranian fluffer #1

Dima wrote:Once a moron, always a moron!

Fuck off Iranian fluffer #2

Dima wrote:Striking the most powerful military in the world currently needs a strong resolve....

Correct and as we all seen last nigh Iran doesn't have that resolve otherwise they would not have warned American in advance that they would be targeting empty pile of sand at the edge of an empty airstrip

What Iran demonstrated is the well know fact that they are pile of poser pussies who talk tough but lack the balls to do anything other than posturing and using phrase ''Great Satan'' in un-ironic fashion with a straight face

nomadski wrote:You can wait. I can wait. You are not hungry. I am not hungry. Iranians are hungry.....

And they are about to be even hungrier:

https://mobile.twitter.com/JackDetsch_ALM/status/1214949787642056705?s=20

President Trump wraps at WH after Iranian strikes on Iraqi bases hosting US troops last night: • Trump calls for Germany, France, UK, et al to break out of 2015 Iran deal. • US will ask NATO to get "much more involved" in the Middle East. • More economic sanctions coming


Looks like Orange Messiah will be extending Iranian Ramadan fast from 16 to 24 hours per day and from 1 month to 12 months per year
Maybe those jihadists that Ayatollah and his Saudi cousins funded in the Balkans back in the 90's might send some cash aid, eh?  

he Iranian "attack" was clearly a capability's show and contemporaneously an enemy air defense vulnerability show; it is clear to anyone (in particular the same US military operatives) except ,it seem, some contributor here.... wrote:

It was all set. Iran informed the US about the attack and the US did not use air defense. How can you assess air defense that didn't even fire? The USA knew that Iran would shoot so that there would be no fatalities

PapaDragon wrote:

par far wrote:.....You can fuck off fake Serb

Fuck off Iranian fluffer #1

Dima wrote:Once a moron, always a moron!

Fuck off Iranian fluffer #2

Dima wrote:Striking the most powerful military in the world currently needs a strong resolve....

Correct and as we all seen last nigh Iran doesn't have that resolve otherwise they would not have warned American in advance that they would be targeting empty pile of sand at the edge of an empty airstrip

What Iran demonstrated is the well know fact that they are pile of poser pussies who talk tough but lack the balls to do anything other than posturing and using phrase ''Great Satan'' in un-ironic fashion with a straight face

nomadski wrote:You can wait. I can wait. You are not hungry. I am not hungry. Iranians are hungry.....

And they are about to be even hungrier:

https://mobile.twitter.com/JackDetsch_ALM/status/1214949787642056705?s=20

President Trump wraps at WH after Iranian strikes on Iraqi bases hosting US troops last night: • Trump calls for Germany, France, UK, et al to break out of 2015 Iran deal. • US will ask NATO to get "much more involved" in the Middle East. • More economic sanctions coming


Looks like Orange Messiah will be extending Iranian Ramadan fast from 16 to 24 hours per day and from 1 month to 12 months per year
Maybe those jihadists that Ayatollah and his Saudi cousins funded in the Balkans back in the 90's might send some cash aid, eh?  

You really think these sanctions will effect Iran, you are just like the orange moron in Washington fake Serb. Iran can produce it's own food, so they won't be going hungry anytime soon.

Only idiots like you think that will be over in one attack you moron. Iran had a big hand in dealing with US sponsored terrorists in the Middle East for decades, it is not Iran that is the pussy but the US. You and your fake Orange Messiah can go shares Melania's pussy in the white house.

The nuclear deal just proves to countries like Russia, China, North Korea and others that US is not trustworthy.

Iranians never never needed to fund any jihadists, it was the Zionists and Zionist puppets like the Saudis that funded the jihadists.

Of the links between Israel and ISIS there can be no doubts. In the Golan Heights border region the Israelis were and are acting like ISIS rear support
with full hospital treatment and I bet military supplies. Contrast to how Israel treats Palestinian journalists and civilians.

But there should be no surprise since the anglo allies of Israel (UK, USA) love to use irregulars (terrorists, paramilitaries) to do their dirty work for them.
That is how the UK spread its Global Empire. Sicking one ethnic group against another to the point of genocide was par for the course (e.g. the Huron
and the Iroquois, Tamils and Hindus, etc.).

Ladies and Gentlemen, here is how this round went:

- Donald started strongly by delivering a massive punch to the Mullah's nose (assassination Q. Soleimani)
- Donald continued with threat and warning (massive strikes in Iran including cultural targets)
- Mullah struck back with a calculated punch on Donald's right arm (air bases)
- Mullah warned that Iran will strike harder and that Donald's most precious parts (Israel) will not be spared
- Donald blinked (by not carrying out his threats)
- Both sides went back to their corners to lick their wounds and prepare for the next round

PS. Popcorn sales have increased lately

PS2. Country 404 is bleeding too (lost an 737). No one knows if it is an accident (common with 737s lately) or it has anything to do with the Donald-Mullah fight.

Stay tuned

Arrow wrote:

It was all set. Iran informed the US about the attack and the US did not use air defense. How can you assess air defense that didn't even fire? The USA knew that Iran would shoot so that there would be no fatalities

so are you saying the the so called most powerful military in the world..
abandoned its airbase ,when its advesaries told was going to bomb it.. and not even did anything
to defend it or strike back?  that make sense..  

Where are the tough american military now?  they were easy to target a general ,that was about to board a civilian plane.. and was not at war with americans.. it was a coward attack.. not a fair one.. because iran
did not expected US to aim their guns at their generals ,after he freely operated in iraq for years.. and even iranian planes could freely travel over iraq airspace ,without any hostility from americans.. and now when iran declare war on them..... they back down of their rethoric and invite iran to re negotiate the iranian deal ? and even compliments them saying they have a common enemy isis..  

this is the first time american military show weakness.. after being attacked their bases... for just one portable rocket attack in afganistan ,they targeted pro iranian militia base in iraq..killing 100 hezbolah fighters.. with drones.. and now iran directly ,openly fire a couple of dozen of long range ballistic missiles at american base.. hitting american property and now they just turn around and say.. is nothing is all fine..      

me thinks.. that regardless if the message was symbolic or not of iran... they do caused major fear on
us generals , by the level of precision of their attacks... and not responding this attack , only show the pentagon is scared of any more escalation versus iran... and that is was the use of force.. and not politeness ,what made american military show for first time to respect iran.. that is to fear an escalation in a confrontation..  now iran will get more "Sanctions" as if that was possible.. since iranians have all the sanctions in the world already..  

crod wrote:After seeing these images it is clear the accuracy of Iranian missiles is no longer in doubt (I was concerned going to bed last night after viewing one pic on the bbc). The US response matches the global opinion in my view, that of shock Iran hit back and was able to do so.
It is clear Iran avoided casualties here, as I posted straight after the attack, this was as much about a warning to the KSA (who must be really shitting themselves now tbh) and to israel who know now for sure that Iran has the abilities they claim to have (albeit their longer range missiles were not used) but most importantly, if attacked, they will attack back - that’s the crucial part of all this.
I expect to see the proxies ramp up activity now too - for the Iranians this ain’t over and their long term objectives will hard fastened because of this.
Trumps words on NATO et al involvement in the ME sounded defeatist to me.
I still call this a win for Iran because not just the region but the world got to see what’s going to happen if this nation is poked enough - it has its red lines and sticks by them.
Iran attacked US bases from within irrespective of the comments on here, not many have ever achieved this and the fact that Iran chose to spare lives was at their mercy and no one else's, this will not be missed by the Americans or anyone.

You can increase the precision of the strikes with drones or troops in the ground helping guide
the missiles with radio signals... this is one of major reasons why israel dont want iran in syria..
because with the help of iranian troops.. they can guide their ballistic missiles towards israel positions..
also you can guide missiles with satellites but i doubt iran navigation system in space.. they will had to use the russian or chiness gps for that.. ..

Vann7 wrote:

crod wrote:After seeing these images it is clear the accuracy of Iranian missiles is no longer in doubt (I was concerned going to bed last night after viewing one pic on the bbc). The US response matches the global opinion in my view, that of shock Iran hit back and was able to do so.
It is clear Iran avoided casualties here, as I posted straight after the attack, this was as much about a warning to the KSA (who must be really shitting themselves now tbh) and to israel who know now for sure that Iran has the abilities they claim to have (albeit their longer range missiles were not used) but most importantly, if attacked, they will attack back - that’s the crucial part of all this.
I expect to see the proxies ramp up activity now too - for the Iranians this ain’t over and their long term objectives will hard fastened because of this.
Trumps words on NATO et al involvement in the ME sounded defeatist to me.
I still call this a win for Iran because not just the region but the world got to see what’s going to happen if this nation is poked enough - it has its red lines and sticks by them.
Iran attacked US bases from within irrespective of the comments on here, not many have ever achieved this and the fact that Iran chose to spare lives was at their mercy and no one else's, this will not be missed by the Americans or anyone.

You can increase the precision of the strikes with drones or troops in the ground helping guide
the missiles with radio signals...   this is one of major reasons why israel dont want iran in syria..
because with the help of iranian troops.. they can guide their ballistic missiles towards israel positions..
also you can guide missiles with satellites but i doubt iran navigation system in space.. they will had to use the russian or chiness gps for that.. ..

The missiles that Iran has are accurate and the missiles that the Russia and China have are most likely more advanced and accurate, makes you wonder why the US spent all that money on air defence system that might not be able to intercept incoming missiles.

The slap was not by the Iranians, but by the Americans against the Iranians. Or more of a kick to the balls really

Iran didn't slap back, it just went into a rampage and broke some furniture.

It was a weak response and the US got away with a flagrant act of war and the assasination of an Iranian national hero. Messages, symbolic strikes, etc... don't mean much in this context. America didn't pay any price for its actions other than the reputational one, but that one has been recompensated by showing the Middle East who calls the shots. The war-torn Middle East respects strength and power and these things matter more than international law, moral behaviour or whatever.
Suleimani is still dead and he was a powerful & respected figure in the region. While the Iranian leadership has been shown as a bunch of blusterers, raising red banners and promising dead Americans all over the Middle East.

Iran conducted it's response as soon as possible, to lay the matter to rest, because it didn't want the heat, and it seems it didn't want to escelate in Iraq.

Well I may be proved wrong, I'm just judging by how things look and how they look today.

TheArmenian wrote:PS2. Country 404 is bleeding too  (lost an 737). No one knows if it is an accident (common with 737s lately) or it has anything to do with the Donald-Mullah fight.

Stay tuned

Most people on that flight seemed to be Iranians, including those holding citizenship of other countries. It's quite likely that the plane crash is related, and there were early reports of Iran downing an American aircraft; so it looks like they just set their air defence network on full readiness and shot themselves in the foot here too.

Vann7 wrote:

Arrow wrote:

It was all set. Iran informed the US about the attack and the US did not use air defense. How can you assess air defense that didn't even fire? The USA knew that Iran would shoot so that there would be no fatalities

so are you saying the the so called most powerful military in the world..
abandoned its airbase ,when its advesaries told was going to bomb it.. and not even did anything
to defend it or strike back?  that make sense..  

Where are the tough american military now?  they were easy to target a general ,that was about to board a civilian plane.. and was not at war with americans.. it was a coward attack.. not a fair one.. because iran
did not expected US to aim their guns at their generals ,after he freely operated in iraq for years.. and even iranian planes could freely travel over iraq airspace ,without any hostility from americans.. and now when iran declare war on them..... they back down of their rethoric and invite iran to re negotiate the iranian deal ? and even compliments  them saying they have a common enemy isis..  

this is the first time american military show weakness.. after being attacked their bases... for just one portable rocket attack in afganistan ,they targeted pro iranian militia base in iraq..killing 100 hezbolah fighters.. with drones.. and now iran directly ,openly fire a couple of dozen of long range ballistic missiles at american base.. hitting american property and now they just turn around and say.. is nothing is all fine..      

me thinks.. that regardless if the message was symbolic or not of iran... they do caused major fear on
us generals , by the level of precision of their attacks... and not responding this attack , only show the pentagon is scared of any more escalation versus iran... and that is was the use of force.. and not politeness ,what made american military show for first time to respect iran.. that is to fear an escalation in a confrontation..  now iran will get more "Sanctions" as if that was possible.. since iranians have all the sanctions in the world already..  

No it's quite simple

The US wanted to deescalate and they were concerned about the Iranian response.

They understood that Iran needed a face-saving measure and were willing to play along with one, but what scared them was the possibility that Iran would retaliate for real.

They're very happy that the response was was it was and that they got away with a massive provocation with no consenquences. A couple of destroyed hangers in return for Iran calming down is a bargain for them.

@ Flaming python

Agree completely. Apart from adding that, this assassination and lack of response, was far more serious than a kick in the balls. It was the official declaration of defeat of Iranian revolution and defeat of Iran nation.

This defeat started shortly after the " victory" of the revolution. With the right wing coup against Iranian socialists and Democrats. And the collusion of clergy with Bazzar against revolutionary forces. In the years since , the democratic process in Iran, has remained weak. The power now a monopoly of the wealthy and influential. The Liberal classes, an absolute minority. In Iran there is Mosque in every Bazzar. And there is a Bazzar in every Mosque.

Apart from the weak political system. National security has been compromised. The leadership  " FATWA", against nukes, is a prime example. It is under duress from expedient political forces. We should call it a  Liberal fatwa. Together with subversion of Iran ICBM programme by sell out Rouhani and Co. By lack of funding. We all know the politicians who crawled their way up ladder of power. Were the ones ready to stab their socialist brothers in the chest, to be promoted into office as good Muslims.

This great weakness, has now compromised national security. By the appeasers efforts to prolong useless talks at a time when Iran should have acted much more strongly. And now they insult the memory of our Hero, by a complete capitulation to the enemy. In face of war crime. They may not have been complicit in his murder. But they are complicit in the murder of his memory and Iranian national independence.

Here you can see, the popularity of the " strike" against Yanks, they still claim in media that eighty Yanks were killed! Unless the political equation changes in Iran, then despite Iran being able and having to defeat Yanks now, even despite not having nukes. We are going to see end of Iran. Since revolution dead already.

https://www.mashreghnews.ir/photo/1028911/%D8%B9%DA%A9%D8%B3-%D8%B4%D8%A7%D8%AF%DB%8C-%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%AF%D9%85-%D9%BE%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%AA%D8%AE%D8%AA-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D9%BE%DB%8C-%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%AA%D9%82%D8%A7%D9%85-%D8%B3%D8%AE%D8%AA

I am reading all of these posts and one thing is really shocking for me...everyone take statements of US government (Trump and his gang) as Holy Bible!? Satellite images showed that Iranian rockets destroyed at least half a dozen buildings and hangars, right? How do you know Trump didn't lie about American casualties?!  They always hide their dead and lie about it. What could be the reason this time? Maybe, just maybe Trump didn't evaluate correctly the consequences of his doing and when Iranians retaliated and they looked at the damage and (perhaps) dead US soldiers, he lost his will to go to war, if he intended to do so in the first place. He tried something and it didn't work as he thought it will (remember N.Korea, Syria...). Then he decided to save his face with another lie: everything is good, not a single US soldier died, no damage, etc. Have you seen his body talk and his face while he was addressing to the press?! That was not the winner's speech. Do you really believe US government on it's word? I don't.

@ rabbit

It is impossible to hide such large number of casualties. Plus Iraq confirmed warning given in advance. So bases were empty. Iran made out at home, this was a slap. But told Yanks this was retaliation concluded. This remark is official admission of Iran defeat. They are trying to cover up the murder.

Even if casualties. This not important. The comments of Iran foreign minister important. Said this is concluded. Ended! No. Wrong. Wrong. Must say nothing. Or say Death to America. Trump is fool. He squint his eyes to look like Clint Eastwood. Tough. Bad actor!


https://en.mehrnews.com/news/154351/Leader-vows-to-take-revenge-on-US-beyond-military-operations

Yet another sign by army, that retaliation will be beyond military. As leader comments about slaps and revenge being  something else ! No ! Wrong. Revenge in this case, only this thing. This specific thing. Not other thing. Or something else, .........or beyond ! Military.....!!!!!!!!!! Or non - military!!!!! .... Bend over.....

The right comment can only be that Iran did a slap. This was not end of matter. And Iran will either strike back or it reserves the right to strike back........ But they won't. The leadership is compromised.........

Iranian called iraqi before the operation which happened at the same time as the kill of Suleimani. If they really wanted to kill americans they would have just launched their missiles in middle of the night at a random time at various targets and hiting dorms not hangars.

This is the same as the nato attack against empty syrian targets during the chemical attack story. Diplomats did their work and an attack happened to save face so both side are happy. And it's better this way

Iran doesn't want and can't sustain a war against US. US don't want another war in ME specially Trump before elections.

That doesn't mean they will become friends. Nothing changed. The situation is the same as before the killing of Suleimani.

@ ISOS

Better for whom? For starving Iranian people? The sell out liberals don't want war against yank. No nukes. No ICBM. No real offensive. But they want war against Iranian people. They want sanctions. Street demos. Lack of political freedom. And I bet they love this news too.

Iran can win war now. No doubt. Even if not, better try to die on your feet than die on your knees.......the situation changed now. Clear now that traitor liberals must be removed from power. The fatwa is wrong. Iran needs war to win.

Lots here want to gloat and cheer on 'harsh' responses though none of you would be participating in the combat and I am quite sure no one here is from Iran or Iraq to start with. It's not for you to say. Most people should just admit to themselves that they'd find the conflict interesting to follow. Or they simply want to see the United States get bludgeoned around. Though when fuel prices go to 150/200 USD per barrel many will quickly want a calming down as everything from food to clothes and heating will be more expensive.

It is very likely that several countries, including Russia and Saudi Arabia calmed the situation down before it got serious. Iran quite obviously proved capability to hit American bases with their cruise/ballistic missiles and Iraqi politicians will further push for the United States to leave. China will likely take their place as it's a very important strategic region for them as they get a lot of oil from the Saudi's and Russia will sell Iran quite a fair bit of military equipment when the UNSC sanctions end in October.

Edit: In addition to this, I wouldn't dismiss the entire situation yet. The neocons in the White House want a war to happen. They'll keep trying their best to achieve this goal.