US-Iran standoff 2019- #2

As you said , their options are limited . If they were not , by now surely , they would attack . That is not to say that some mad career General , Israeli or American will not throw caution to the wind , and launch an attack . Enriching himself and his mates with war and reconstruction projects . Humans are vile creatures !

Their immediate weapon , more effective , is creating instability inside Iran . They do this by propaganda . And material support for anti-Iran groups ! Hell , they have even been hacking my phone for years ! But until Iranians resolve internal political issue , then they will misuse the situation , by increasing tensions . It is for Iranian people to resolve this long standing , left wing and right wing conflict . Form a Democratic Republic . Then the enemy has even less chance of creating havoc !

The Iranians published today an updated list of 51 more (on top of Trump etc) US individuals that they plan to hunt down, sorry, sanction.

These 51 now know they are the ones that have a target on their backs mentioned last week by the head of Quds in Iran

The freshly designated Americans are:

Mark Alexander Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Robert Charles O’brien Jr., former national security advisor, Paul M. Nakasone, director of the National Security Agency (NSA) and commander of United States Cyber Command, Robert Greenway, former deputy assistant to the president and senior director for Middle Eastern and North African Affairs at the National Security Council, Victoria C. Gardner Coates, former deputy national security advisor, Matthew F. Pottinger, former deputy national security advisor, Joseph Keith Kellogg Jr., former national security advisor to the vice president, Frank Dixon Whitworth, director for Intelligence of the Joint Staff, Andrew P. Poppas, former director of operations of the Joint Staff, Kenneth Franklin McKenzie Jr., commander of the United States Central Command (CENTCOM), Richard Douglas Clarke, commander of the United States Special Operations Command (SOCOM), Scott Alan Howell, former commander of Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC), James C. Slife, commander of Air Force Special Operations Command (AFSOC), Joseph Thomas Guastella, former commander of United States Air Forces Central Command, David L. Goldfein, former chief of staff of the Air Force, Stephen R. Jones, Jason B.Bell, Andre T. Johnson, Kevin Auger, Jordan Smith, Abishai Giles, Landon Quan, Mark R. August, Bradley Chance Saltzman, Mark Holmes Slocum, Nathan Andrew Mead, Timothy Garland, Staci Coleman, Kurt A. Wendt, Alexus Gregory Grynkewich, Daniel H. Tulley, Rodney Lee Simpson, Allen Ray Henderson, Jason Colon, Brenden Endrina, Tayler Arbaugh, Ryan Kuhn, Jordan Cornelius, Korbin Steinwehr, Antonio Dorce, Charles Seth Corcoran, James Neal Blue, Linden Stanely Blue, Michael Anthony D’andrea, John M. Keane, Reuel Mark Gerecht, Andrew Croft, Nimarta Nikki Haley, John Michael Mulvaney, and Erik Dean Prince.

It's late for revenge. And killing now such people will obviously be responded by the CIA and frankly they have more tools to win such fight. Israel, saudi arabia... will all help.

Ayatollahs would be targeted. I guess they know that so they won't start killing americans any day soon.

If they wanted to kill them they should have done that 1 year ago by killing a same level top general as Soleimani.

Publishing such list is more of a propaganda than anything else. Just to scare a little bit all of them.

When you have both a military hierarchy and a society deeply indoctrinated with an appropriate set of values (be it religion, republicanism, communism, nationalism, or whatever) a combat force can withstand tremendous amounts of losses other forces cannot. You saw that in Republican France, in the Iran-Iraq War, etc.

lyle6 wrote:Most of the people on that list are not Trump - no secret service protection detail for life. If Iran wants them gone, they would actually be in danger. They are probably just fucking with the US though - only the US would waste enormous resources and risk their position on petty assassinations that feel really good, but are ultimately fruitless because people can be replaced. Like that Soleimani dude, not even a week and Iran's been running the same ops with twice the intensity.

I suspect that as much as anything this is Iran telling the US that it is capable of identifying its staff, not just the leaders and telling today's staff that it can put a target on their back so be careful.

Might as well give Trump , mind cancer !  Untraceable ! Get on the phone to T&P in Canada ! Before he gets into office again , tears up the JCPOA II , and assassinated another General ! Blows up another site........while eating ice cream !



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dsXEnkVZr9Y

honestly the list wouldn't be bothering too many though it shows iran's ability in espionage is all.

what is worrying the **** out of them however is that they now know without doubt, iran's missiles are the real deal. it wasnt just bluff after all. their arsenal is now accepted to have lethal accuracy and that will be frightening them hell out of them....the jews too.

I wish I could agree . But I can not . The problem is the nature of Iranian society . Lack of political freedoms and organisation . This leading to severe deficiencies in defence and domestic and foreign policy . Missiles do not have the range , or nuclear warheads to reach all enemies . Local economy is disorganised , by excessive power and influence of reactionary  Bazzari / Liberal right wing . Foreign policy is also misguided , for the same reason , by being defeatist and compromising . Iran's political reach is also limited , by having purely religious , as opposed to a democratic form .

Iranians are also full of the sense of their self- importance ! A lot of hubris and inflated sense of their superiority and invincibility . Partly brought about by their history of Empire . Comparing Iran to other parts of the world , where similar problems exist , they show less ability to adapt and progress socially . But they would never consider themselves as inferior , to an African or Latin American society . They think of themselves as almost European ! Emulating superficial qualities , while lacking in more important substantial aspects . Extreme religious zealots , misused religion to subvert political freedoms . The overwhelming tendency in the Muslim world , is the misuse of deep religious feelings by the reactionary elements against progressive and socialist movements . Not Islamic awakening ! But Islamic stupor .

Sorry for off topic but I wish Christian's in the west and muslims in the east could join into a bloc or loose league to resist neoliberal and neoconservative hegemony. Many Christian's are growing to realize the monstrousness of western foreign policy and toadies in countries they help clamp down on their people. Saudi Arabia is an example of that.

https://en.mehrnews.com/news/182842/Over-110-US-lawmakers-call-for-leaving-Vienna-talks

The economic value of trade , for the West with revolutionary ( at least anti-American) Iran , is miniscule compared to political value of a defeated and occupied vassal state against China and Russia influence in Asia . This means that USA benefits more by war against smaller independent nations , than having peace with them .

There is a theory that the US are going to go for an agreement with Iran. To make it palatable for Democrats it will all be blamed on Trump.

It could be turning into fact

Moshe Schwartz
@YWNReporter
· 17h
.@PressSec Psaki on Iran:

If former President Trump hadn't "recklessly pulled out of the nuclear deal," None of the actions we are seeing from Iran, including the "aggressive actions that they've taken through proxy wars around the world,"would be happening.

JohninMK wrote:There is a theory that the US are going to go for an agreement with Iran. To make it palatable for Democrats it will all be blamed on Trump.

It could be turning into fact

Moshe Schwartz
@YWNReporter
· 17h
.@PressSec Psaki on Iran:

If former President Trump hadn't "recklessly pulled out of the nuclear deal," None of the actions we are seeing from Iran, including the "aggressive actions that they've taken through proxy wars around the world,"would be happening.

There will be no agreement with Iran, this is a given. Especially after what we saw with Russia-US meeting recently. The west does not want to bend, very highly unlikely they bend to Iran.