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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:50 pm

    Isos wrote:It should be considered as the 1st since the other one failed.
    Why, its in the video, lying there dockside behind No2?

    Anyway what's a little fire, similar to the K's?
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    Post  Hole on Wed Apr 22, 2020 5:22 pm

    The ship already fullfiled its main purpose, to keep a few thousand workers busy. Scraping it would bring more benefits to the chinese economy then letting it sit on a peer for years to come.
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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:56 pm

    Hole wrote:The ship already fullfiled its main purpose, to keep a few thousand workers busy. Scraping it would bring more benefits to the chinese economy then letting it sit on a peer for years to come.

    Your are ignoring the work to repair the fire damage. Very Happy
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:18 pm

    The US, France & Egypt didn' scrap theirs; they r UDKs in Russian parlance, & there will be plenty of things for them to do.
    Russia could lease them for training until her own r ready.
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    Post  Isos on Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:17 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Isos wrote:It should be considered as the 1st since the other one failed.
    Why, its in the video, lying there dockside behind No2?

    Anyway what's a little fire, similar to the K's?

    I mean the second should be in service first because the first needs repair. So the first they will use is the one build in second. But that doesn't really matter.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:05 am

    I am sure they will sort their shit out and get them out to sea.

    They are impressive sights, so they will look good travelling around the place on visits and I am sure they will be smart enough to use them more for good relations than killing people and stealing land like the evil white man uses them...
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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:51 am

    GarryB wrote:I am sure they will sort their shit out and get them out to sea.

    They are impressive sights, so they will look good travelling around the place on visits and I am sure they will be smart enough to use them more for good relations than killing people and stealing land like the evil white man uses them...
    How about goodwill trips to their major suppliers, NZ and Aus? The under Sydney Harbour Bridge photo opportunity not to be missed Very Happy
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    Post  walle83 on Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:54 pm

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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:54 pm

    So far 2 launched and 2 are under construction?
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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:56 pm

    These are basically aircraft carriers that carry VTOL combat drones. Drones are the future. Manned aircraft are obsolete.

    https://www.flightglobal.com/civil-uavs/textron-demonstrates-vtol-aerosonde-as-it-snags-us-army-shadow-contract/120471.article
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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:00 pm

    Chinese are fast. Zuk zuk zuk. Carrier. Zuk zuk zuk. Carrier. Not like Russians. Takes 10 years and still can't build a puny 5000 ton frigate when Chinese built 30 5000 ton frigates already.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:18 pm

    True, but the VMF beat the PLAN in conducting CM strikes & deploying a CBG to a war zone. They have enough older DDGs +2 CGNs to modernize before building big FFGs.
    Besides, China has no fleet of NP icebreakers to be truly independent on what SLOCs to use in her trade with Europe.
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    Post  walle83 on Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:32 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:True, but the VMF beat the PLAN in conducting CM strikes & deploying a CBG to a war zone. They have enough older DDGs +2 CGNs to modernize before building big FFGs.
    Besides, China has no fleet of NP icebreakers to be truly independent on what SLOCs to use in her trade with Europe.

    About the ice breakers
    https://www.highnorthnews.com/en/china-reveals-details-newly-designed-heavy-icebreaker

    And with your reasoning about modernizing russias older DDG and CGNs first they wont be able to build large frigates until 2030.
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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:57 pm

    Type 075 is a light carrier that carries VTOL drones like these. https://www.flightglobal.com/civil-uavs/textron-demonstrates-vtol-aerosonde-as-it-snags-us-army-shadow-contract/120471.article

    For attack helicopters they might go for Ka-52K which is purpose built naval attack helicopter.
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    Post  walle83 on Fri May 01, 2020 12:43 am

    ultimatewarrior wrote:Type 075 is a light carrier that carries VTOL drones like these. https://www.flightglobal.com/civil-uavs/textron-demonstrates-vtol-aerosonde-as-it-snags-us-army-shadow-contract/120471.article

    For attack helicopters they might go for Ka-52K which is purpose built naval attack helicopter.

    The Z-10 attack helicopter would probably be used on the Type 075.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri May 01, 2020 2:13 am

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/the-times/fast-and-furious-beijings-new-warship-built-in-lockdown/news-story/92a50b84d1ab5a5e7d5b28837d49d4bf

    They could also sail with CBGs as extra helo/UAV carriers, allowing the CVs to carry more CTOL fighters., AWACSes, & CODs.
    In the Arctic, they could accompany icebreakers & use their future STOVLs to help protect SLOCs across the N. Pole.
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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Fri May 01, 2020 3:52 pm

    walle83 wrote:
    ultimatewarrior wrote:Type 075 is a light carrier that carries VTOL drones like these. https://www.flightglobal.com/civil-uavs/textron-demonstrates-vtol-aerosonde-as-it-snags-us-army-shadow-contract/120471.article

    For attack helicopters they might go for Ka-52K which is purpose built naval attack helicopter.

    The Z-10 attack helicopter would probably be used on the Type 075.

    Helicopters lack the range and endurance of drones. Type 075 is mainly a drone carrier, not a helicopter carrier. Drones are the future. Manned aircraft are obsolete.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri May 01, 2020 7:16 pm

    ultimatewarrior wrote:Helicopters lack the range and endurance of drones. Type 075 is mainly a drone carrier, not a helicopter carrier. Drones are the future. Manned aircraft are obsolete.
    not all of them & not yet.
    The Chinese helo carriers could also be used in the same way: https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2020/03/french-navy-mistral-class-lhds-to-fight-covid-19-in-reunion-caribbean/
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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Sat May 02, 2020 12:20 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    ultimatewarrior wrote:Helicopters lack the range and endurance of drones. Type 075 is mainly a drone carrier, not a helicopter carrier. Drones are the future. Manned aircraft are obsolete.
    not all of them & not yet.
    The Chinese helo carriers could also be used in the same way: https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2020/03/french-navy-mistral-class-lhds-to-fight-covid-19-in-reunion-caribbean/

    Speaking of VTOL drones. China already have those. Not only VTOL drones, I'm pretty sure any prop powered drones can take off from it. Drone only need a short runway to take off.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat May 02, 2020 3:39 am

    Drones need short takeoff spaces because they are generally tiny and short ranged.

    The really big drones that have range and speed and endurance also need full sized runways to take off and to land.

    Drones have potential in a lot of areas, but the only naval vessel equipped with drones only would be the modified "special purpose" converted SSBNs used to test UUVs and other drones... ultimately for deployment on conventional vessels.

    Helicopters are versatile and useful, but also relatively big and heavy and expensive to operate compared with a conventional aircraft.

    Drones can do quite a range of jobs you would otherwise need a helicopter for, which saves money and reduces wear and tear on your expensive helos, but they certainly can't do everything a helo does so you still need the helos.

    The Russians are in the final stages of creating the Minoga... the replacement for the Helix family... it will likely have a coaxial rotor arrangement like previous Kamovs, but also a pusher device (propeller or jet we don't know) to get its flight speed up to 500km/h or faster... and it is supposed to operate from the same platforms the Helix operates from which should be a huge boost in naval helo performance. A mixed force of these new aircraft and of course the Ka-52s adapted especially for naval use should make a rather potent force for use on the new Russian helicopter carriers and I suspect the Chinese will take note and adapt anything they see as useful for their own new helicopter carriers...

    Nothing to do with just blind copying and just a case of adapting new ideas to improve performance...
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    Post  walle83 on Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:45 pm

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    First vessel getting ready for sea trials. Supose to leave the harbor tomorrow.
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    Post  Hole on Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:58 pm

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    Post  Isos on Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:55 pm

    The catapult must take lot of space inside which translate in lower capacity for landings.

    But I like the concept. Against most of navies, even having two or three jets in the air is a big power up. Situational awarness, shoot down cruise missiles, launch stand off missiles, radar coverage, interception...

    They allow lot of possibilities unless if you face a carrier battle group which has more aircraft and has the same possibility but times 20.

    Russian new VSTOL jet will allow to have a similar capacity but without the expensive catapult.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:00 am

    The catapult must take lot of space inside which translate in lower capacity for landings.
    it won't take lot of space inside unless it's a steam catapult & it has nothing to do with "lower capacity for landings".

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    Post  Hole on Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:46 am

    Look at the stern of the Type 076. No door. There will be no welldeck.

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