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    Post  walle83 Mon Dec 28, 2020 1:00 pm

    George1 wrote:The third Chinese universal landing ship of project 075 under construction at the shipyard in Shanghai

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    3 vessels in 18 months, thats impressive. But it should also be noted that the Navy needs to train 3 crews, construct landing vessels ecs. I supose crew that have served on the Type-071s could be transfared.
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    Post  Isos Mon Dec 28, 2020 1:24 pm

    Bulding them too fast means that soon they will stop building them letting tens of thousand people without work.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:50 pm

    I suspect the plan is probably to build lots of military vessels and then produce civilian ships so they should have the military ships to support global civilian operations for trade around the world independent of western trade lines and vessels... which might turn on China without warning...
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    Post  Isos Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:08 pm

    GarryB wrote:I suspect the plan is probably to build lots of military vessels and then produce civilian ships so they should have the military ships to support global civilian operations for trade around the world independent of western trade lines and vessels... which might turn on China without warning...

    Their civilian orders are also full. IMO they are probably the 1st ship producer in the world.
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    Post  walle83 Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:43 pm

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    PLAN second carrier the #17 Shandong and the Type-075 landing helicopter dock together for the first time at the new navalbase at the island of Hainan.
    The vessels were escorted by a Type-055 and 052D detroyers and 054A frigates.


    The new navy is taking shape nicely.
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:44 pm

    Isos wrote:Bulding them too fast means that soon they will stop building them letting tens of thousand people without work.

    Depends on what the target number is

    And since there's no way for them to compete with USN on quality or experience and competence they have to make do with quantity

    They also need to crank up the numbers before USA refocuses on Asia again, they will have at least 4 years of respite under Biden so they better not waste it


    Anyway it's good news for Russia, navy is useless in any war with them and it eats away cash like crazy  thumbsup

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    Post  walle83 Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:59 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:Bulding them too fast means that soon they will stop building them letting tens of thousand people without work.

    Depends on what the target number is

    And since there's no way for them to compete with USN on quality or experience and competence they have to make do with quantity

    They also need to crank up the numbers before USA refocuses on Asia again, they will have at least 4 years of respite under Biden so they better not waste it


    Anyway it's good news for Russia, navy is useless in any war with them and it eats away cash like crazy   thumbsup


    Latest reports say that a further 5 ships is to be constructed, making it a total of 8.
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    Post  Tai Hai Chen Tue Dec 29, 2020 10:50 pm

    walle83 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:Bulding them too fast means that soon they will stop building them letting tens of thousand people without work.

    Depends on what the target number is

    And since there's no way for them to compete with USN on quality or experience and competence they have to make do with quantity

    They also need to crank up the numbers before USA refocuses on Asia again, they will have at least 4 years of respite under Biden so they better not waste it


    Anyway it's good news for Russia, navy is useless in any war with them and it eats away cash like crazy   thumbsup


    Latest reports say that a further 5 ships is to be constructed, making it a total of 8.

    8 is not enough. As the world's biggest country in terms of population, China needs 10 heavy carriers and 10 LHD by 2030.
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    Post  Tai Hai Chen Tue Dec 29, 2020 10:55 pm

    Isos wrote:Bulding them too fast means that soon they will stop building them letting tens of thousand people without work.

    Not really. Type 076 LHD and Type 054B frigate are about to start production. Not to mention they have to replace all the Type 052 with Type 055. They are only going to hire more and more people from here on out.
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    Post  walle83 Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:13 am

    Tai Hai Chen wrote:
    walle83 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:Bulding them too fast means that soon they will stop building them letting tens of thousand people without work.

    Depends on what the target number is

    And since there's no way for them to compete with USN on quality or experience and competence they have to make do with quantity

    They also need to crank up the numbers before USA refocuses on Asia again, they will have at least 4 years of respite under Biden so they better not waste it


    Anyway it's good news for Russia, navy is useless in any war with them and it eats away cash like crazy   thumbsup


    Latest reports say that a further 5 ships is to be constructed, making it a total of 8.

    8 is not enough. As the world's biggest country in terms of population, China needs 10 heavy carriers and 10 LHD by 2030.

    I dont think the size of the population has anything to do with it. Chinas goal is to compete with the US navy in the pacific, and 4-5 carriers and 7-8 LHD with ~40 modern destroyers is probably enough to do that.
    If they want to compete with the whole NATO on the global stage now thats another thing.
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    Post  Tai Hai Chen Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:26 pm

    walle83 wrote:
    Tai Hai Chen wrote:
    walle83 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:Bulding them too fast means that soon they will stop building them letting tens of thousand people without work.

    Depends on what the target number is

    And since there's no way for them to compete with USN on quality or experience and competence they have to make do with quantity

    They also need to crank up the numbers before USA refocuses on Asia again, they will have at least 4 years of respite under Biden so they better not waste it


    Anyway it's good news for Russia, navy is useless in any war with them and it eats away cash like crazy   thumbsup


    Latest reports say that a further 5 ships is to be constructed, making it a total of 8.

    8 is not enough. As the world's biggest country in terms of population, China needs 10 heavy carriers and 10 LHD by 2030.

    I dont think the size of the population has anything to do with it. Chinas goal is to compete with the US navy in the pacific, and 4-5 carriers and 7-8 LHD with ~40 modern destroyers is probably enough to do that.
    If they want to compete with the whole NATO on the global stage now thats another thing.

    China is going for 20 heavy carriers and 20 LHD by the 2030s.
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    Post  walle83 Fri Jan 01, 2021 9:26 pm

    Tai Hai Chen wrote:
    walle83 wrote:
    Tai Hai Chen wrote:
    walle83 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:Bulding them too fast means that soon they will stop building them letting tens of thousand people without work.

    Depends on what the target number is

    And since there's no way for them to compete with USN on quality or experience and competence they have to make do with quantity

    They also need to crank up the numbers before USA refocuses on Asia again, they will have at least 4 years of respite under Biden so they better not waste it


    Anyway it's good news for Russia, navy is useless in any war with them and it eats away cash like crazy   thumbsup


    Latest reports say that a further 5 ships is to be constructed, making it a total of 8.

    8 is not enough. As the world's biggest country in terms of population, China needs 10 heavy carriers and 10 LHD by 2030.

    I dont think the size of the population has anything to do with it. Chinas goal is to compete with the US navy in the pacific, and 4-5 carriers and 7-8 LHD with ~40 modern destroyers is probably enough to do that.
    If they want to compete with the whole NATO on the global stage now thats another thing.

    China is going for 20 heavy carriers and 20 LHD by the 2030s.

    18 heavy carriers in 15 years? God luck. By 2050 possibly.

    Present speed from laying down a carrier to commission in about 4 years. 4x18=72 years. Even if they dubble the speed it would still take 36 years to complete 18 carriers.
    At very least it would take 30 years, so 2051 then.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:48 am

    China is going for 20 heavy carriers and 20 LHD by the 2030s.

    Such a force would be ridiculous... it would be much more valuable for them to produce more escort vessels and support vessels and have a more balanced and capable fleet.

    They also need to expand their focus beyond the Pacific ocean... they should start reaching out to countries around the world that lack investment and want to grow and develop... in Africa and central and south america and start expanding their trade ties and relationships around the world.

    This will be good for China but also for the countries smart enough to improve ties and ignore western bullshit claims that China and Russia are the devil.

    They would not gain anything by having 20 heavy carriers, but in terms of cost we would be talking about probably 60 billion dollars just to build them and probably 10 billion a year just to operate them... plus the costs of escorts... a huge drain on the economy for no benefit except dick waving on the internet.

    Having some carriers makes a lot of sense because it gives them mobility and more depth in terms of both defence and attack when at sea... but having too many makes less sense.

    Give themselves 10 years experience with their current models and they can evaluate what works and is good and what is not so good and worth changing... and they can sell their existing models and build new ships that are more capable and useful for themselves and have a formidable fleet...
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    Post  Tai Hai Chen Tue Jan 05, 2021 2:03 am

    walle83 wrote:
    Tai Hai Chen wrote:
    walle83 wrote:
    Tai Hai Chen wrote:
    walle83 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:Bulding them too fast means that soon they will stop building them letting tens of thousand people without work.

    Depends on what the target number is

    And since there's no way for them to compete with USN on quality or experience and competence they have to make do with quantity

    They also need to crank up the numbers before USA refocuses on Asia again, they will have at least 4 years of respite under Biden so they better not waste it


    Anyway it's good news for Russia, navy is useless in any war with them and it eats away cash like crazy   thumbsup


    Latest reports say that a further 5 ships is to be constructed, making it a total of 8.

    8 is not enough. As the world's biggest country in terms of population, China needs 10 heavy carriers and 10 LHD by 2030.

    I dont think the size of the population has anything to do with it. Chinas goal is to compete with the US navy in the pacific, and 4-5 carriers and 7-8 LHD with ~40 modern destroyers is probably enough to do that.
    If they want to compete with the whole NATO on the global stage now thats another thing.

    China is going for 20 heavy carriers and 20 LHD by the 2030s.

    18 heavy carriers in 15 years? God luck. By 2050 possibly.

    Present speed from laying down a carrier to commission in about 4 years. 4x18=72 years. Even if they dubble the speed it would still take 36 years to complete 18 carriers.
    At very least it would take 30 years, so 2051 then.

    It's going to speed up a lot as China becomes more experience. US built a dozen carriers within 20 years.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Jan 05, 2021 2:23 am

    From blatantly trolling, to blatantly multi-quoting....what will it take to put this guy on hiatus?
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    Post  lyle6 Tue Jan 05, 2021 2:30 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:From blatantly trolling, to blatantly multi-quoting....what will it take to put this guy on hiatus?

    Put the wumao wannabe on the ignore list. simple as.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:48 am

    lyle6 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:From blatantly trolling, to blatantly multi-quoting....what will it take to put this guy on hiatus?

    Put the wumao wannabe on the ignore list. simple as.

    We all would but whenever someone from ignore list posts comment it screws up links for new posts on homepage
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:36 pm

    lyle6 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:From blatantly trolling, to blatantly multi-quoting....what will it take to put this guy on hiatus?

    Put the wumao wannabe on the ignore list. simple as.

    How many alter-ego's handles does it require to put on the ignore list? Ultron has had at least 4 or 5 different login handles over the last 5 years, and trolled the same way and have been warned countless times prior. If he creates a 1,000 different handles, do you put all 1,000 handles on ignore, or do you start IP banning him for spamming the forum with his nonsense? Rolling Eyes
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    Post  GarryB Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:07 am

    @Tai Hai Chen,

    In post number 139 on this page you reposted an entire conversation just to put a one line comment.

    This breaks rule number 13: ie:

    13] Do not misuse the quote feature. Do not quote an entire post just to reply to one or two specific comments.
    This means do not quote more than two people in your quote box and also do not requote an entire article unless it is brief.
    Here is a tutorial created regarding quoting Quoting if you still don't get it then PM


    The fact that you have already been told about this and continue to do so means you are also breaking rule number 10:

    10] When you are warned by staff you better stop doing it. Repeated abuses will lead to IP ban.
    Instructions to do something or stop doing something that are ignored are grounds for bans from 1 day to permanent bans depending on the situation.


    You have already been given time outs, so this one needs to be more than a couple of days... this is a two week ban... and it will be your second last if you get my meaning.

    If you don't, then let me spell it out... the next ban you get after this one will be permanent.

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    Post  walle83 Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:41 pm

    China is developing a new Asssult ship, the Type 076. This time with catapults and heavy drones.

    "China’s Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) is reportedly planning to field a new and entirely unique type of medium weight aircraft carrier in the near future, which is expected to be based on the Type 075 Class assault carrier design. The first two Type 075 Class ships were launched during the past year, with a third currently under construction, and each displaces approximately 40,000 tons and can accommodate between 20 and 30 aircraft. The Type 075 notably was not designed exclusively to deploy fixed wing aircraft - although they are still likely to do so in the near future once China develops a fighter class capable of carrying out vertical landings as the American Harrier II and F-35B currently do. The new carrier however, dubbed the Type 076 Class, is being developed with the primary purpose of deploying unmanned fixed wing aircraft, and according to some reports will integrate both arresting gear an electromagnetic catapult launch system (EMALS) to allow drones to take off with higher weights from its short runway and to make conventional landings.   "

    https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/what-to-expect-from-china-s-upcoming-type-076-drone-mothership-carrier
    https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/type-076.htm

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    Post  walle83 Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:12 pm

    Third vessel painted and looks ready for launch any day now.

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    Post  Tai Hai Chen Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:14 pm

    walle83 wrote:Third vessel painted and looks ready for launch any day now.

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    The 4th Type 075 LHD should be laid down already if it is to be launched later this year.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:51 am

    Their civilian orders are also full. IMO they are probably the 1st ship producer in the world.

    Sorry, missed that comment.

    What I was trying to say is that they are making lost of military vessels now along with civilian vessels, but once they decide they have enough military vessels they can transfer production from military to more civilian vessels, so they don't have to close shipyards or fire any one.

    There are lots of very old ships around the world that would need replacing so all this production capacity should make buying new ships easier and cheaper which will be good for the industry because newer ships should be more efficient and capable and less polluting too.
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    Post  George1 Fri Jan 29, 2021 1:11 pm

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