Boris will follow the same approach has the US to Iran, don't expect anything different from him then the norm. [/quote]
and where is NATO balls now dude?
Didn't you said.. that an aggression against a NATO member will activate article...
blah blah blah blah....
I told you so ....
If you have any doubts of the over hype of NATO in defending anyone.. look
what Mike Pompeyo told today in the news..
Pompeo was previously tight-lipped on the recent detention of a British tanker by Iran. One of the authors of the US administration's "maximum pressure" campaign on Iran
In a surprise move, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has kept away from the ongoing diplomatic spat between London and Tehran, saying that it
"falls to" the UK to protect its ships in the Persian Gulf.
So let me get things right.. IRAN shot down an American global hawk and now
captures a British Tankers.. and the world "most powerful" biggest military alliance will do nothing? is up to Britain to deal with IRAN.. what..???? are you kidding ..
US throwing under the bus UK ,after they followed their allies and detained Iranian ship?
Why this does not surprise me at all..
So US not only fighting back IRAN when attacked.. but now is throwing their allies
under the bus , deal with that on your own ,when their tankers captured..
So what happened with that claim,that.. " you attack one NATO member.. then all NATO countries will declare war on that nation ?
Thats not how the real world works dude.. NATO is only a mouth alliance created by Americans , that their main goal is to fool Europeans to become a shield to American
military and their warships.. reason why Spain removed their warships from persian gulf..
they don't wanted their warships to be used a meat shield , for the American navy..
If US leave alone UK in this things.. what makes you ,believe ,that they will support
NATO Allies in case serious trouble start that Risk a war? Oh no.. if Russia attack Turkey
or baltic states NATO will declare war on Russia right?
Thats not how reality works.. US will always avoid a conflict , or any war.. with a Strong power ,that they are aware ,they can't predict the outcome ,the damages and can't control when the conflict will end. So if US and UK afraid to fight IRAN , what makes you believe they will fight Russia or China?
Today NATO have shown is a weak alliance..what it always was.. and those foolish nations.. like Ukraine ,Baltics and Georgia ,Romania ,who wants missiles aiming at Russia..and who think US and UK will come in their defense.. if they get in a big Trouble with Russia.. will know they will be on their own. US can say.. is up to Europe to solve its differences with Russia.. when a major conflict start. and will say anything to justify , not interfering in a conflict ,they know will be impossible for them ,to control it ,predict their damages and end it..
Hopefully this will put an end ,to NATO cheerleaders in the forum ,and never again
mention that stupid piece of junk paper article 5 , 6 , 7 or 8 .. whatever it is. US will never
go to a war.. against any nation ,that they know they can't win in an acceptable way.. and more importantly..that they can't stop it..
Major holes in NATO.. alliance..
-Neither Germany or France or Italy will go in defense of US, and attack Russia ,
if a major conflict start between US and Russia. regardless of who start it..
- Greece will not come in defense of Turkey.. ever..
- Spain will be neutral in a world war 3 between US and Russia..
- Turkey neither will go in defense of US.. in a conflict with Russia.
So this leave us ,with just a few nations ,fools like baltics and Poland , perhaps UK ,and Canada ,that are the only ones who could be ready to take a nuclear strike from Russia
if Americans ask them to be in the front line.. But if UK gets in trouble.. US will tell them..
you are on your own..
NATO in reality its only real use
1) to keep Europe under control
2) to use Europe as a meat shield.. in a fight vs Russia.
So if Russia one day lose their patience and realize ,they need to fight americans..
that it will be very difficult to use their nuclear weapons.. if US deploy their bases in Europe.. Because any attack on US bases on Europe ,will also kill Europeans too..
and this will damage Russia relations with Europe forever .. So this What NATO is all about.
A meat shield for US military , in a fight versus Russia , and to keep those nations under control and with tensions high with Russia. but is Not a real military alliance. is more a club of security convenience for US . The pentagon tactics are simple.. deploy military bases near their enemies and use civilians and nations that are friendly to Russia as a meat shield.
So this is why Pentagon nuclear storages in Europe..are deployed in Europeans nations that are more closer in relations to Russia.. like Germany and Italy.
There is also Turkey ,that they stored nukes there.. because will create additional problems
if Russia have to fight them.. because is a strong nation and can block Russia in the black sea.. So this is why US will NEVER allow Ukraine to be a NATO member.. they know the possibilities are very high of Ukraine vs Russia conflict.. and they don't want to be pulled
into a conflict they know they can't win..
So forget NATO and any piece of paper signed by them..
US will never go to a war ,when they are not sure ,they can win it , not sure they can achieve its objectives ,not sure they can stop once the war start and they aware it could end
badly with unaceptable loses for them.. They only will go to awar if it is predictable the outcome or that they can pull back if things don't go as planned.. But if NATO attacks IRAN..nuclear reactors.. then they can't pull back from there.. IRAN will not stop and will completely close the persian gulf navigation with hundreds of thousands of mines ,they can fire from distance from their territory.. and missiles will keep striking tankers . Simply US will have to use nukes and iran will not give up.. and will continue targeting US bases and Saudi Oil fields.. and Israel will be rained with missiles.. non stop.. Nukes can't win wars..
that their citizens are ready to die ,defending their honor.. demanding justice for them..
So the IRAN conflict is a dead end.. US will not win that war.. it can destroy Iranian reactors for sure.. but that will be a green light to build nuclear weapons , and they can close many times the persian gulf.. Only way to stop IRAN is a ground invasion , the IRAQ way.. but good luck for US ,Israel and UK with that.. with Russia providing anti tank weapons and air defenses and real time intelligence of US and UK warships positions .. Russia can even guide Iranian missiles to hit any NATO warships and military positions and base..
The goals of US ,was to provoke a war between Turkey or Europe with Russia.. including UK. and they later stay neutral ,selling weapons and supplies to both sides.. This is what they did in world war 2.. they left their british allies alone for 90% of the time ,the war lasted.. And US made a fortune selling supplies to Europe and weapons to continue fighting Nazis.. and only asked Gold as payment.. This is how US became a super power.. it was the only major power not bombed and US became the shopping center of the world.. World war 2 was a miracle for US economy.. being the only nation exporting supplies ,food and weapons to Europe.. and the scientist who wanted to escape the war.. flee to US , helping create a major industrial technological revolution ,that turned America in the super power is today.. And this is what US policy makers will really like to see again..
in case civil war fails.. and Russian citizens dont disband Russia from the inside,
provoke a war between Europe and Russia.. and later they remain neutral ,selling supplies ,cars ,weapons ,oil to both sides.. TO fight Russia to the last european blood.. This is the kind of world war 3 ,US will like to see. a war with not objectives than fighting will not happen.. Any conflict /war that US provoke or Start ,needs to help them advance and strengthen their nation economy and or leadership. if it doesn't help.. they will not do it.
So this is why their goals is to fight Russia by proxy.. In Syria they use terrorist..
but a war in europe ,they can use the baltics nations or poland as proxy ,or Kosovo , or Ukraine or turkey or Norway.. with them remaining behind selling weapons.