Russia Defence Forum

Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

Military Forum for Russian and Global Defence Issues


    US-Iran standoff 2019-

    GarryB
    GarryB

    Posts : 29382
    Points : 29910
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    US-Iran standoff 2019- - Page 31 Empty Re: US-Iran standoff 2019-

    Post  GarryB Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:02 am

    The west intrinsicly does not want any other country but its own to succeed and develop.

    That is every country.

    They totally ignored Russia during the 1990s but as the 2000s moved on and they started to notice them grow and develop they started to pay attention.... not attention to help and support, but to stop and to slow down.

    They will do the same for Iran... they just don't want any alternatives to their monopoly to succeed.

    They will hate communism more than they hate terrorism... because they know terrorists might kill a few people but communism was threatening to take away the whole gravy train... they couldn't continue to dominate and get offensively rich with communism or any other political system.
    nomadski
    nomadski

    Posts : 1397
    Points : 1407
    Join date : 2017-01-02

    US-Iran standoff 2019- - Page 31 Empty Re: US-Iran standoff 2019-

    Post  nomadski Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:30 am


    As Yavar pointed out. The revolutionary and historical voice of Iranians faith and politics, has answered. I think for humanity, either a path of progress or extinction. Iran will be the guiding light in ME.

    https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2019/11/24/2145604/mobilization-forces-in-muslim-nations-inspired-by-iran-basij-chief

    Tsavo Lion
    Tsavo Lion

    Posts : 5659
    Points : 5653
    Join date : 2016-08-15
    Location : AZ, USA

    US-Iran standoff 2019- - Page 31 Empty Re: US-Iran standoff 2019-

    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:46 pm

    GarryB
    GarryB

    Posts : 29382
    Points : 29910
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    US-Iran standoff 2019- - Page 31 Empty Re: US-Iran standoff 2019-

    Post  GarryB Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:24 pm

    Funny, I saw a programme on Israel the other day where an Israeli woman was complaining about the small group of Israeli men who are fundamental jews.... they don't learn anything but religion at school and when they reach adulthood they are not qualified to do anything... it seems at the moment they are 5% of the population but in 30-40 years their numbers are expected to increase to 30-40% of the population in Israel... she is complaining that these men wont be functionally useful for society... they don't get conscripted to the military and don't have skills useful to the state of israel and could create a serious demographic problem for the country.... Hahahaha... one of the guys who represent this group said it was more important to save your soul than save your country because your soul is eternal and life on earth is temporary.... hahahahaha...
    flamming_python
    flamming_python

    Posts : 4471
    Points : 4555
    Join date : 2012-01-30

    US-Iran standoff 2019- - Page 31 Empty Re: US-Iran standoff 2019-

    Post  flamming_python Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:46 am

    GarryB wrote:Funny, I saw a programme on Israel the other day where an Israeli woman was complaining about the small group of Israeli men who are fundamental jews.... they don't learn anything but religion at school and when they reach adulthood they are not qualified to do anything... it seems at the moment they are 5% of the population but in 30-40 years their numbers are expected to increase to 30-40% of the population in Israel... she is complaining that these men wont be functionally useful for society... they don't get conscripted to the military and don't have skills useful to the state of israel and could create a serious demographic problem for the country.... Hahahaha... one of the guys who represent this group said it was more important to save your soul than save your country because your soul is eternal and life on earth is temporary.... hahahahaha...

    Yeah it's pretty funny

    And a lot of these ultra-Orthodox fundamentalists are radically anti-Zionist. You have some neighbourhoods in Jerusalem, fully Orthodox Jewish, but where you'll see Palestinian flags and stickers.

    There was an ultra-Orthodox Rabbi as I saw on Twitter, who came to visit Israel recently and started offering communities money to not accepts any links with the state.

    Well Israel started importing these communities because of their demographic arms race with the Palestinian Muslims; who they want to colonize and outbreed.. the ultra-Orthodox have more kids than anyone; but long-term they'll pose a much greater threat to Israel than the Palestinians pose from the outside.
    Well sucks to be them.
    GarryB
    GarryB

    Posts : 29382
    Points : 29910
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    US-Iran standoff 2019- - Page 31 Empty Re: US-Iran standoff 2019-

    Post  GarryB Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:16 am

    The honest truth is that if all Israelis were ultra orthodox there would be no need for them to have a country called Israel that is separate from the local population and they could all live there as people in one country called Palestine instead of a broken country clearly hated by their god based on all the death and hate it creates.... Twisted Evil
    avatar
    Vann7

    Posts : 4884
    Points : 4986
    Join date : 2012-05-16

    US-Iran standoff 2019- - Page 31 Empty Re: US-Iran standoff 2019-

    Post  Vann7 Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:58 pm


    @GARRYB

    It is funny you say that, because even you admit the chances of an economy collapse for Russia is non existent...


    Nope i never said that.. is your flawed logic ,that made you say absurdity all the time...
    The statement i made about IRAN and Venezuela collapsing ,was unfinished.. it was in short term
    the way only IRAN and Venezuela can collapse.. But Russia economy will collapse too.. If US keep its several
    economic warfare attacks on Russia long term , and keep creating conflicts in countries ,so that Russia military
    is forced to Interfere.. less say , a remake of the Syrian war in Serbia ,in Armenia ,Venezuela.. now US is pushing for war against mexico. . and war against Moldova in this last one Russia will have blocked the airspace...  Laughing  Then it will drag completely Russia economy to a full stop ,if US push Russia ,to come in their defense as they did to Syria. . According to Russian Defense minister.. the Syrian war alone cost them.. $300 to $400 million a year.. in $USD.   This don't include the help Russia give in humanitarian aid for free .. that Russia
    give free food and free weapons.. to feed millions in Syria ,since Damascus its economy is destroyed.. So the Syrian conflict alone, wiped about 400 millions x 5 years + free Food and Free weapons.. + plane losses , something near    $3 to $4 billions $USD dollars.. This is not a small amount of money. and if you combine this with the losses with Ukraine conflict.. which are bigger.. then between Syria and ukraine alone.. the losses of Russia on its economy ,have to be in the $50 billions.  not counting war on Oil prices ,that sink Russia economy GDP from 2-3%  .So US cold war , economic sabotage on Russia until now had to cost Russia half a trillion $dollar on its economy. they burned 100billion alone ,trying to stabilize the Ruble.. when sanctions began..

    All that Americans needs to do to sink Russia economy ,beyond repair is keep pressure ,starting  new conflicts.. in the places mentioned above and you will see Putin strategy "of surviving".. Russia economy ,to collapse.. Because Putin strategy can't last forever.. while US can forever destabilize nations in the world..that are important for Russia interest. not a problem.. Russia can't abandon Serbia or Armenia if US start similar wars there.. so reducing the budget and spending of Russia ,can't hold forever.. there will be a time ,that no more
    reduction can be done..

    In short Putin's strategy to counter the west.. is terrible.. A total passive policy of allowing US to hit them
    and they don't fight back..  Why? because Putin is an idiot ..and don't know that all he needs to do ,to fight
    back is counter US business directly with superior ones..  And take the example of China.. which is the only
    country in the world ,since world war 2.. that have been able to sanction and hit hard American economy and cause recession in their economy.



    To say that American sanctions dont work.. can only be said if you are an an ignorant.. is even insulting.
    US is a very powerful influential nation... their real power most biggest power is their Business influence.
    Something they get ,thanks to their Business leadership.. (that Russia lacks.).  if Nations are forced to choose between America or Russia.. for next 100 years to  trade. .and could only pick one..  99% of the world hands down will pick US over Russia.. no contest..  and only rejected nations in the world , like IRAN ,Cuba and venezuela will pick Russia. China might even jump too.. to US side ,and stay neutral with Russia.

    and this is the major flaw in Putin development of Russia.. that
    is a passive development ,it doesn't counter US influence ,business leadership in the world.. and this is why
    they are scared of CHina major technological advance.. because is now damaging US top influential business
    that they used ,as a weapon ,to lure nations towards their orbit.. From US Silicon Valley companies ,to US entertainment industry , this are markets Russia can't touch.. and that they use to pull nations towards the
    western orbit. This is why Russia have so little influence in Latin America.. and majority of nations there prefers to follow US over Russia.  Only Rejected socialist nations like Cuba ,Venezuela or Nicaragua follows Russia.
    and this should be an embarrassment for Putin ,if he had any decency and understood how bad his policies are..
    of total attachment to the past.. and an economy focused in military ,commodities and sports Tourism. No



    nomadski
    nomadski

    Posts : 1397
    Points : 1407
    Join date : 2017-01-02

    US-Iran standoff 2019- - Page 31 Empty Re: US-Iran standoff 2019-

    Post  nomadski Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:45 pm

    @ Vann7

    You seem to be very pessimistic about the future of the world. Maybe you are right. The multi - national Liberal order will destroy the world, before we all find a way to stop climate change. And live in our own utopia. But we must try to live first, before we all die.

    If we are to live. Then we must all live. Not just the 1%. We must try to get there. For this you need imagination. Vision. How is it possible? Should we all eat American burgers and smoke dope and shoot each other with fancy pistols and die outside hospitals because we have no insurance? This dream does not add up. We can not all speak American and watch American movies. We can not all be plantation slaves to the white man.

    So what if most of the world picks America. Do I care? Good luck to them. Let them copy their sinful ways. Iranians will fight and survive and outlast this disease of yank. Iranian people will not accept domination.

    Russia gave Iran a loan of 5 billion Rubles or Dollars recently. To help transition of economy. I thank them for this. And think that, if they are free enough from yank domination to help Iran, in this big way. Then they are free as a state to buy and sell Iranian oil for own use. Allowing more export of own oil. As a state they can do business with Iran. And save Iranian economy. And gain a sure friend.

    I simply can not see the Yanks ruling the world. Look at them for God's sake..............
    GarryB
    GarryB

    Posts : 29382
    Points : 29910
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    US-Iran standoff 2019- - Page 31 Empty Re: US-Iran standoff 2019-

    Post  GarryB Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:50 am

    Climate change is normal.... there are a million different variable factors involved including sunspots and distance to the sun and temperature of the sun as well as the gasses present in our atmosphere... we have had hot periods and cold periods and we will likely continue to do so no matter what other effect we do have... I would say the problem of plastic pollution is vastly more pressing than increase or decrease in temperatures on earth... higher temperature give more energy to storms and might lead to various serious shifts in farming potential... places that were good places to farm might become unsuitable, and conversely places previously not suitable for farming might become more suitable...

    There is enormous potential for some stupid super projects.... how about Australia builds a dozen large nuclear power stations and enormous water pipelines taking sea water and desalination plants to pump billions of litres of fresh water into the centre of Australia to create a giant fresh water lake they could use for irrigation and turn Australia green.

    Or they could go the other way and build a huge solar panel industry and use the power of the sun to convert water into hydrogen and oxygen which can be stored and when needed can be burned in gas turbines to generate essentially free electricity when needed 24/7.

    Vann... what you are not getting is that rebuilding countries is not charity... there is a lot of money to be made... construction companies make a fortune in the Middle East over the various wars they have, and it is not just Russia that the west is trying to reject from the international community... it is China as well and probably India soon too... that is 3 billion people... half the worlds population... the US might reject China, but European companies are looking to invest in Asia and to do it via these silk roads and transport links Russia and China are investing large amounts of money on... those european companies wont trade with Iran and risk losing the US market because the US market is worth more to them than anything they could possibly earn in an Iranian market, but when you add the Asian market and european companies might do their sums and realise that the US dollar is going to collapse at some stage and US is going to have to pay the people it owes money to... and there is a lot of money to be made in Asia including but not limited to China...

    The west is broken... the US is losing money fast and seems uninterested in fixing that... no austerity measures for Uncle Sam... the dream is about making money, but only the people who already have a lot of money are making more money and it is becoming very much a game of smoke and mirrors... the old pyramid scheme where the first people on the ride make all the money and the people on next have to keep getting new suckers to invest to pay off the first people but also to keep the whole thing moving... eventually the music stops and 95% of the people who invested money lose it all.... it is the people in at the start that keep the cash and run away with it to start it somewhere else again... is it any wonder that the very rich are despised by the thinking man because they don't do anything... they don't make useful products... they just gather up the money collected from the people under them who do the actual work and these days those people are generally foreigners... Chinese.... and probably soon Bangladeshi...
    nomadski
    nomadski

    Posts : 1397
    Points : 1407
    Join date : 2017-01-02

    US-Iran standoff 2019- - Page 31 Empty Re: US-Iran standoff 2019-

    Post  nomadski Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:49 am

    Climate change at this rapid rate is not normal. In the past it took thousands of years. Ice ages come every ten thousand years. But most life adapts, because they can migrate south. No borders or agriculture. But now there is borders and failing agriculture. And Germans are not accepting anymore migrants. No solution.

    So every country can make changes to industry. Cut fewer trees every year. Export clean electricity more, instead of fossil fuel. Even if other country not doing this, like America under Trump. Other country can do this.

    Nuclear power should replace fossil fuel. Also nuclear arms can maintain peace and stop major wars. The minority group of millionaires in USA  with colonial mentality pushing for wars to bring a Liberal disorder to the world. Their interest must be damaged. Their company goes up in smoke. Shareholder loose interest. No profits. No war. But starting a hot war against GI or public, only makes money for them and gives hope of World ownership. Must destroy their dream........

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military%E2%80%93industrial_complex

    https://youtu.be/ZerUbHmuY04

    avatar
    Vann7

    Posts : 4884
    Points : 4986
    Join date : 2012-05-16

    US-Iran standoff 2019- - Page 31 Empty Re: US-Iran standoff 2019-

    Post  Vann7 Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:38 am

    nomadski wrote:@ Vann7

    You seem to be very pessimistic about  the future of the world. Maybe you are right. The multi - national Liberal order will destroy the world, before we all find a way to stop climate change. And live in our own utopia. But we must try to live first, before we all die.

    If we are to live. Then we must all live. Not just the 1%. We must try to get there. For this you need imagination. Vision. How is it possible?  Should we all eat American burgers and smoke dope and shoot each other with fancy pistols and die outside hospitals because we have no insurance? This dream does not add up. We can not all speak American and watch American movies. We can not all be plantation slaves to the white man.

    So what if most of the world picks America. Do I care? Good luck to them. Let them copy their sinful ways. Iranians will fight and survive and outlast this disease of yank. Iranian people will not accept domination.

    Russia gave Iran a loan of 5 billion Rubles or Dollars recently. To help transition of economy. I thank them for this. And think that, if they are free enough from yank domination to help Iran, in this big way. Then they are free as a state to buy and sell Iranian oil for own use. Allowing more export of own oil. As a state they can do business with Iran. And save Iranian economy. And gain a sure friend.

    I simply can not see the Yanks ruling the world. Look at them for God's sake..............

    But iranian freedom comes from Russia and China help , to them to bypass US sanctions..
    and this is very important to remember. That IRAN alone on its own without Russia help..
    will be like Lybia.. today. Invaded and split its territory in parts.. So iranians in reality are not
    an Independent nation.. they depend A LOT on Russia and China help for its existence.
    Is not Iranian primitive missiles what stop Americans.. from invading but Russia military support.
    and whether US /Israel manage an economic isolation of Iran their chance for prosperity ,will depend
    on RUssia .China and the european union.

    Even Russia without Europe help.. will be already on a major serious economic recension..
    and Europe for sure too , but as long Russia is slow down its economy .

    Then sanctions what they try to achieve is..

    Which is ...
    1)to weaken the economy ,raise the prices of basic things ... check...already happening.
    2)and get society mad with the government for the hardship of the economy.. Check
    3) Civil Unrest . .. Check
    4) a major civil war ,dividing he nation. . not yet.. but is a matter of time..

    So from 1-4 US achieved the top 3 objectives.. and the #4 is a matter of time will happen
    when the economy continues to sink and people jobless.

    In Russia case.. sanctions /Cold war and economic sabotage..

    the #1 already have happened.. Russia GDP used to be up to 10% of the GDP.. then 5%..
    now is in the 1.3 % this is too low ,to develop a nation properly in a time of potential wars
    against Russia.

    and the only Reason why Russia managed to alleviate the economic pressure and minimize the
    damage is because of working as a team with Europe.. and not closing with the doors to the west .

    But this is because Russia , a super power , have chosen to develop Russia as a dependent nation of
    Europe .by not developing Russia as an alternative to American business , then Putin limits significatively
    the potential of Russia to counter the US system. So surviving IS NOT enough..... staying a float in the open Ocean with sharks near is not a sign of success. Only a sign that still you are fight to stay alive..
    But the danger will remain forever.. as long Russia don't leave the comfort zone Putin have Russia and stay
    developing Russia in the same way.. as a banana commodities focused economy . Real Success will happen
    for Russia when a real leader comes to power and choose to modify completely the way Russia is developed..
    not as a second rate country.. as Putin told it.. Americans are the most powerful nation in the world.. So even the Moron in chief Putin downgrade the capabilities of Russia.. so how can you succeed ,when the max leader is an insecure person ,that damage the morale of its military and citizens with his weakness.

    Russia will only be completely safe ,when it defeat American Business leadership over the world..in their most influential business and everyone else choose Russia over US. and IRAN will be safer ,when it follows Europe and Russia guidelines how to minimize the damages on their economy.
    nomadski
    nomadski

    Posts : 1397
    Points : 1407
    Join date : 2017-01-02

    US-Iran standoff 2019- - Page 31 Empty Re: US-Iran standoff 2019-

    Post  nomadski Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:06 pm


    Agree that Iran needs help from Russia and China. But these two must give significant help. To compensate for loss of trade and oil sales. But it is not clear if they are trading at higher levels. And impact of sanctions too great. Iranian leaders must decide soon, if they want to retaliate. Waiting only weakens Iran. No wonder Pompeo said they are in no hurry for action against Iran. In the next six months or one year, Iran may be too weak to fight. Because of internal problems. So they must act now. Perhaps it has already started. I hope so.

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/en.mehrnews.com/amp/153009/

    GarryB
    GarryB

    Posts : 29382
    Points : 29910
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    US-Iran standoff 2019- - Page 31 Empty Re: US-Iran standoff 2019-

    Post  GarryB Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:16 am

    Iran needs to look at what it normally trades and who it trades with and what sort of trade growth it wants.

    It then needs to reorient itself away from the west and look to other markets and organisations it can join to allow it to both get back to normal trade, but also expand its trade levels.

    It should not look to Russia or China or indeed any country to "save" it. They will trade openly and fairly with Iran but there wont be charity... just free fair open trade where they can make money and you can make money and develop and grow... they can invest in your economy, but you need to reciprocate and invest in theirs... and this is not your charity to them... western companies don't invest in Russia for Russias benefit... they do it to make money and so can you... but I prefer you to do that because investment means growth in Russia and financial reward for you who can then also invest in your own country and help grow that.

    Everybody wins... except the cockroaches of the west... the billionaires who want to get richer because that is what they do... when you fly by helicopter to work every other month you don't care about roads or bridges not being maintained...
    nomadski
    nomadski

    Posts : 1397
    Points : 1407
    Join date : 2017-01-02

    US-Iran standoff 2019- - Page 31 Empty Re: US-Iran standoff 2019-

    Post  nomadski Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:34 am

    It is about charity, in some certain sense. Although Iran will be looking for business, not handouts. Charity does not compute in the business world. But without it society will collapse. Did the allies help the Soviets in wwII , with lend lease, because their bankers had advised it to be a good business plan?  So there is a difference between politics and economics. Right now the liberals are dominant in the world. China investing billions in America. Russia hoping to do the same. And even Iranians with their eye to the west. The millionaires who dream of the price of gold and dollar everyday.

    But this Liberal disorder, left to it's own devices will destroy the world. Destroy nations. To enrich the absolute minority. Who will use this wealth to buy gold encrusted toilets. For China it means no belt and road through Asia to Europe. For Russia it means no access to Persian Gulf or Syria. More US bases on it's southern border.

    So it is not business as usual. National interests are not served by Liberal politicians. But again, when Chinese children no longer recognise the portrait of Mao, on their bank notes. And when the leader of Russian communist party is a millionare and when Iranian politicians comprise of brainwashed  liberals. Then I am expecting too much of the world. Business is business!

    https://youtu.be/vnciwwsvNcc

    The JCPOA parrot is dead. And snails don't talk. So I too will be a lumberjack and work all day.!

    Isos
    Isos

    Posts : 7447
    Points : 7431
    Join date : 2015-11-06

    US-Iran standoff 2019- - Page 31 Empty Re: US-Iran standoff 2019-

    Post  Isos Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:20 pm


    AFP news agency
    @AFP
    #BREAKING US strikes in Iraq against pro-Iran faction kills 15: Hashed official
    Isos
    Isos

    Posts : 7447
    Points : 7431
    Join date : 2015-11-06

    US-Iran standoff 2019- - Page 31 Empty Re: US-Iran standoff 2019-

    Post  Isos Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:21 pm


    INTELSky
    @Intel_Sky
    ·
    11 min
    🇮🇷 ✈ #Iran Goverment Airbus A321-231 EP-IGD IRAN05 tracking stopped at Vnukovo (VKO) 🇷🇺 at 08:05PM EET from Tehran.
    @JZarif
    , Iranian foreign minister, hold talks with senior Russian officials
    Isos
    Isos

    Posts : 7447
    Points : 7431
    Join date : 2015-11-06

    US-Iran standoff 2019- - Page 31 Empty Re: US-Iran standoff 2019-

    Post  Isos Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:27 pm

    Babak Taghvaee
    @BabakTaghvaee
    ·
    14 min
    #BREAKING: Minutes ago, #IRGC backed 47th Brigade of #PMU (Kataib Hezbollah) fired four 107mm rockets at Camp #Taji where #US troops are present & #Iraq|i Army Aviation has a base. This attack is carried-out in response to #USAF airstrike at Kataib Hezbollah's local HQ in #AlQaim



    Babak Taghvaee
    @BabakTaghvaee
    ·
    5 min
    #BREAKING: On order of #IRGC-QF terrorist commander, Qasem Soleimani, the #PMU's 47th Brigade (Kataib Hezbollah) might carry-out rocket attack at #US embassy in #Baghdad's #GreenZone within next few minutes. All #US embassy staff are evacuated
    avatar
    Vann7

    Posts : 4884
    Points : 4986
    Join date : 2012-05-16

    US-Iran standoff 2019- - Page 31 Empty Re: US-Iran standoff 2019-

    Post  Vann7 Mon Dec 30, 2019 3:53 am



    Joseph Bahout باحوط


    @jobahout
    2h2 hours ago
    More
    Polit consequences of #US raid vs #Iran-proxies in #Iraq seem to also be big:
    •PM #AbdelMahdi “objected to operation” (warned?!).
    •He & Pdt #BarhamSaleh described it as “violation of Iraqi sovereignty”.
    •#HashdShaabi leaders to widely open (again) question of US milit presence


    Arwa Ibrahim

    Verified account

    @arwaib
    Follow Follow @arwaib
    More
    #Iraq President Barham Saleh condemns #US airstrikes targeting Iran-backed PMF, Hashd al-Shaabi, positons in western Anbar as a violation of Iraqi sovereignty.




    iraqui government and supporters very angry at US air strikes on iraq on shias
    paramilitary groups.. that were aiding iraq to fight isis.. there is claims of demands
    for US to leave IRAQ . this could trigger a major war in the zone ,and americans kicked from iraq .
    they will need a major military force in iraq to hold positions , the conflict could trigger a major war
    with iran and iraq vs us forces.. being kicked . this looks like will only escalate into a real
    major conflict.. and americans citizens will not support another war against iraq..

    it will not surprise me if the  pentagon ordered this attack  ,to sink trump popularity..
    by pushing him into a big war , against two countries now.. iraq and iran.
    US troops will be in a serious disadvantage in middle east in a land war now ,with iraq and iran at same time.
    and the cost of such war will require twice bigger force than the one bush used when invaded iraq.. so
    if iran really want it.. and ready to sacrifice some destruction on their cities here or there.. as syria had to endure.. .. they will have every possibility to come victorious in the end ,with russia and china supplying weapons and logistics to iran and iraq . this attack doesn't look like the smartest idea in time trump is close to elections..

    unless it was all planned ,and their goals are only to destroy iranian nuclear reactor.. and this attack done
    to create conditions to justify to attack it.. we will see... but something is certain.. american military never
    take such decisions randomly.. whenever they take a serious action ,that could end in a pr disaster for them..is because they planned for it well ahead... or because the military wanted to damage trump chance for re-election.
    nomadski
    nomadski

    Posts : 1397
    Points : 1407
    Join date : 2017-01-02

    US-Iran standoff 2019- - Page 31 Empty Re: US-Iran standoff 2019-

    Post  nomadski Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:29 am


    Good to hear that PMU is putting pressure on Yanks. Now about tactics. The best part was that yank economic interests were hit. The contractor. In time, the Liberal deep state that backs these wars must learn that it looses it's interests in region. No more Coca Cola repair men to fix the vending machines. The losses among GI are a long shot to stop the war. For this to happen, numerous must suffer casualties, leading to mass anti - war movement. Therefore precise targeting is needed in region.

    The airfield that yank planes use, must be disabled. By drone attack or missile. If they use carriers then drones or mines can be used. Launched from Iraq or Syria or Afghanistan or Yemen or........... Marg bar America.....
    GarryB
    GarryB

    Posts : 29382
    Points : 29910
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    US-Iran standoff 2019- - Page 31 Empty Re: US-Iran standoff 2019-

    Post  GarryB Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:51 am

    Did the allies help the Soviets in wwII , with lend lease, because their bankers had advised it to be a good business plan?

    The west helped the Soviets to fight the Germans because if the Soviets collapsed the west could not win WWII.

    With the oil and resources of the Soviet Union to support Germany the UK and US would never have had a chance.

    The west will help anyone if it thinks it supports their interests of the time... Osama Bin Laden made his millions building tunnels in Afghanistan in the 1980s to fight the Soviets... Americans don't talk about that much... the fact that he was a millionaire to start with because it is poor people who are bad and lazy remember, and the fact that like Saddam, in the 1980s they were Americas best allies in the fight against Iran, but they are both now dead because of the US rather than anything Iran did.

    Everything the west does bites them on the ass... lets fund moderate terrorists to fight Assad... what is the worst that could happen... well the Russians and Iranians now have a strong presence in Syria and Iraq is looking more to Iran and to Russia to help them with their problems with ISIS because the US is no help at all... which is no surprise considering ISIS is basically the remains of Saddams army anyway.

    Death of a thousand cuts... with the occasional serious blow to weaken resolve.

    During the 1980s war in Afghanistan, the US and British Special forces used to mount attacks using GPS and modern kit like Milan ATGMs etc... I remember one attack on a Soviet airbase where they set up a dozen 120mm mortars and used GPS receivers to blind target the airbase... fire a dozen bombs and then leave... rather hard to counter...

    Perhaps a box type structure with 120mm calibre tubes in the top could be developed and produced to look like the standard trailer of a truck that can be driven to a location... fit it with dozens of cheap simple barrels intended to be used once or twice but not to the standard of normal mortars all pointing in a single direction slightly splayed out from the point of aim so when they are fired you get a good spread of shots and load it up with a mortar bomb with a trigger fire mechanism...

    Attach it to a truck and drive it to a pre registered location and position the trailer so the barrels point at the nearby US airfield and then leave it... drive the truck away and leave the trailer there... have the aim point off set so they can't find it simply by looking around for trailers pointed at the air field... and have lots of trailers parked around the area... perhaps one on either side with really big bombs inside... and launch the mortar shells at a time when the airfield is busy with lots of aircraft on the apron... when they go to investigate the source... boom... tracks are covered...
    nomadski
    nomadski

    Posts : 1397
    Points : 1407
    Join date : 2017-01-02

    US-Iran standoff 2019- - Page 31 Empty Re: US-Iran standoff 2019-

    Post  nomadski Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:31 am

    The American culture, is heavily informed by their colonial / European origins. The type of relationship that they want to set up with other states, is from a position of absolute power. Where they dominate and enslave a population. Take their resources. Leading to their sudden or gradual annihilation.

    This was fine and worked well for them, 400 years ago. When they annihilated the indegenous populations in America. Took their land and destroyed their sources of food. And exterminated them with biological warfare.

    But modern states in the world, can not be satisfied with that. As I said people now want peace and prosperity and freedom and independence. The Americans can not fulfill this popular ambitions. It is not part of their political vocabulary. If you handed them a territory by war or conquest, then they do not know what do do with it. Apart from establishing themselves as the absolute ruler with the aid of a puppet ruler, who allows them to plunder and Rob.

    This is where other major powers come in. Like China and Russia. To offer a better deal. By taking less but for longer. A long term social and national plan, based on mutual cooperation and benefit. Maintaining and reinforcing national security.

    The Americans could have carried out this air attack from their aircraft carriers. Without involving the Saudis. But they chose to use Saudi airbase instead. Knowing that a possible direct retaliation by Iran on Saudi may follow. And in this way they will keep the regional states at war. Weakened and dependant on them for security. Also allowing them use of much needed airfields in any future war with Iran.

    So the revolutionary forces must not fall into this trap. Of course this attack can not go unanswered. The said hostile act can and should be retaliated. But in this case by local forces or third party in Saudi itself. Not allowing yank the pleasure of setting Arabs against Persians. The Houti strike worked well. Similar tactics can be used. As well as every coke machine being kicked out of service. In the region.
    jhelb
    jhelb

    Posts : 951
    Points : 1058
    Join date : 2015-04-04
    Location : Previously: Belarus Currently: A Small Island No One Cares About

    US-Iran standoff 2019- - Page 31 Empty Re: US-Iran standoff 2019-

    Post  jhelb Tue Dec 31, 2019 9:20 pm

    GarryB wrote:I remember one attack on a Soviet airbase where they set up a dozen 120mm mortars and used GPS receivers to blind target the airbase... fire a dozen bombs and then leave... rather hard to counter...

    Meaning US and British special forces used GPS to direct those mortars to the Soviet airbase ?

    Did the Soviets find a counter to this assault ? I remember Mi 35 and Su 25 used to fly CAP over Soviet airbases in Afghanistan, so they could be used to neutralize these US, UK special forces.
    jhelb
    jhelb

    Posts : 951
    Points : 1058
    Join date : 2015-04-04
    Location : Previously: Belarus Currently: A Small Island No One Cares About

    US-Iran standoff 2019- - Page 31 Empty Re: US-Iran standoff 2019-

    Post  jhelb Tue Dec 31, 2019 9:24 pm

    nomadski wrote:The American culture, is heavily informed by their colonial / European origins. The type of relationship that they want to set up with other states, is from a position of absolute power. Where they dominate and enslave a population. Take their resources. Leading to their sudden or gradual annihilation.

    Unfortunately their mentality has not changed. What has changed is their tactics, that have become far more sinister.

    For instance if a start-up/SME in Asia, Africa comes up with a product (any product, not necessarily related to defence) that can rival a US, UK product or service, US government or companies hire local criminals to bump off the start up owner. They make these killings look like an accident so that such killings do not arise any suspicion.

    How can people in Asia, Africa defend themselves against such tactics ? They can't because their local government is thoroughly corrupt and is in the payroll of US, UK governments, companies.
    Hannibal Barca
    Hannibal Barca

    Posts : 1368
    Points : 1380
    Join date : 2013-12-13

    US-Iran standoff 2019- - Page 31 Empty Re: US-Iran standoff 2019-

    Post  Hannibal Barca Tue Dec 31, 2019 9:30 pm

    Great new year's eve gift from Iran/Iraq:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-aphache-gunships-attempt-disperse-mob-kataib-hezbollah-flags-erected-over

    Make those bastards run boys attack yes sir

    Isos
    Isos

    Posts : 7447
    Points : 7431
    Join date : 2015-11-06

    US-Iran standoff 2019- - Page 31 Empty Re: US-Iran standoff 2019-

    Post  Isos Tue Dec 31, 2019 9:57 pm


    During the 1980s war in Afghanistan, the US and British Special forces used to mount attacks using GPS and modern kit like Milan ATGMs etc... I remember one attack on a Soviet airbase where they set up a dozen 120mm mortars and used GPS receivers to blind target the airbase... fire a dozen bombs and then leave... rather hard to counter...

    Well a drone a flying 12 hours armed with 4 atgm and night vision would do great job at spoting them and destroying half of them and giving warning to the base to get cover and destroy the rest by guiding friendly artillery fire.

    It get complicated in urban warfare but I doubt there would be any base inside a town.


    Sponsored content

    US-Iran standoff 2019- - Page 31 Empty Re: US-Iran standoff 2019-

    Post  Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Fri Jun 18, 2021 5:42 pm