US-Iran standoff 2019-

Washington regime has no standing army.

The US Army, except perhaps its SOFs, won't get involved; USN/AF/MC will, & they r not standing still & move a lot.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/amid-iran-tensions-a-look-at-us-deployment-across-mideast/
https://news.usni.org/2019/05/10/uss-arlington-patriot-missiles-to-join-lincoln-carrier-strike-group-in-middle-east

I am getting sick and tired of the brain dead NATO propaganda about how Iran "cannot be allowed to get a nuclear bomb". Why?

So that the US & Israel have a free reign in the ME.

Saudi Arabia confirms oil Aramco's sites targeted UAV

Saudi Energy Minister Khalid al-Falih as saying that between 6-6.30am on Tuesday, a petroleum pumping station supplying an east-west pipeline between the Eastern Province and to the Yanbu Port on the Red Sea was targeted by drones
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/saudi-arabia-says-oil-stations-attacked-by-explosive-laden-drones.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1482252/saudi-arabia-say-oil-giant-aramcos-sites-targeted



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The yanks will not deploy ground troops . They have hardly deployed ground troops since Libya.  They hope they will not deploy air troops . Sending drones . They hoped they did not have to go this far in Iran . Opting to pick up the phone and impose a blockade . Wait until the frog slowly cooks . They did not  count on a retaliation by Iran . A hot war . As you said they are not ready to win the hot  war in Iran . But they just want to cause destruction from afar.  Without the US mainland being hit . Any war , will be over  there . As Trump said . If Saudi or Usraeli are hit , then yanks will win contracts and go repair . But Iranians will have hard time repairing .Same as when Saddam hit wells . A bit of drama soon over and finished . So Iran must :

( 1 ) Develop some ICBM .  Put a few in major city in US . With conventional warhead .

( 2 ) Put an atmospheric  nuke test on TV  . Carried out in Indian Oceans.

( 3 ) Close persian Gulf . And see the world go to buck .

See , if we die , we go to paradise and get seventy virgins . If Trumpet  dies , he goes to hell to be tortured by the seventy whores , he robbed on Earth . So we can push the button . He can not .

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/13/world/middleeast/us-military-plans-iran.html

If they are to invade, thats how they will do it

MiamiMachineShop wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/13/world/middleeast/us-military-plans-iran.html

If they are to invade, thats how they will do it

Deploying 120 000 troops takes lot of time. Iran can attackfirst then.

Three main targets will be attacked in the opening days with ballistic missiles.

First, US bases and ships.

Second, gulf oil production.

Third, tankers and pipelines.

If US manage to invade, 120 000 troops won't be enough at all. They will always be in range of scud d type missiles just like in iraq wars but iraqis had very bad missiles. Iran has thousand of kornet type atgm which will be as good as houti's ones against abrams and other humvee and they are 70 million people for guerilla war.

They also have manpads to keep away air support like a-10 and choppers. Their air defences won't last long enough to be an issue however.

IMO, Iranian should be very mobile and very well equiped with atgm's, manpads and anti armor snipers. GPS jammers for everyone. Lasers pointed on the ground around major infrastructure in the hope to make laser guided bombs follow the wrong laser. Huge barrages of BM on oil field and US bases will destroy some economies.

Its navy should be used the first day quickly and in big numbers to achieve at least one carrier destroyed and its subs could destroy some ships too. All the tankers in the persian gulf will be destroyed.

GarryB wrote:... hit the assembly areas and bases in the region...

How can Iran do that ? The moment they hit the assembly areas & bases, the US will declare war on them.

kvs wrote:
 Only brain dead NATO fanbois would swallow the excrement that an Iranian nuclear
program is some sort of aggression.    It is pure defense against the nuclear armed Israel.... 

It attests to the efficacy of zionist propaganda that most people don't realize this. They focus on the Iranian program which might produce a n-bomb or two, while ignoring the 100-200 nuclear bombs Israel has already.

Isos wrote:
Iran has thousand of kornet type atgm which will be as good as houti's ones against abrams and other humvee....

Can we be sure? Wouldn't the US equip its armor with the Trophy or a similar system?

nomadski wrote:See , if we die , we go to paradise and get seventy virgins . If Trumpet  dies , he goes to hell to be tortured by the seventy whores , he robbed on Earth . So we can push the button . He can not .

In order to learn about a country, nomadski, I generally rely on the knowledge/wisdom of local people. So I was trying to find some Iranian views on the evolving situation in Mid East.

Surprisingly, some Iranian writers state that Iranians have a very high opinion about the US & many Iranians migrate to the US. They were giving example of Iranian-Americans who are highly successful, billionaires in the US. For instance the current CEO of Uber.

Is it true, that Iranians look at US favorably ? Which countries do Iranians consider as their allies /friends ?

I think any invasion force vs Iran would need to be at least the size of 1991 coalition, i.e. 500k+ troops.  It isn't Saddam's army that US is dealing with.  

Remember how well Hezbollah - that had a few thousand troops at that time - fared against IDF in 2006? I have no reason to believe Iranian army fighting in Iran would perform any worse.

Such an invasion ofc would take months to prepare. For that time, an Il-76 with cutting edge weaponry would be landing in Tehran every few hours.

starman wrote:

Isos wrote:
Iran has thousand of kornet type atgm which will be as good as houti's ones against abrams and other humvee....

Can we be sure? Wouldn't the US equip its armor with the Trophy or a similar system?

Mostly tanks will be equiped with that if they ever equip them. Other vehicles will be easy targets and much more valuable ones. Tanks without the support of IFV are useless.

A hit of kornet on a humvee transporting 8 troops will kill many of them.

Trophy can be destroyed by snipers or machine guns fire on radars too.

They can also make suicide drones for top attack where aps can't do anything.

How can Iran do that ? The moment they hit the assembly areas & bases, the US will declare war on them.

The thing is that if UD send 120 thousand troops it only means war is ongoing so Iran is free to attack.

2 ballistic missiles with 600-800kg warhead on every totally unprotected secondary US bases will make huge loses to US. Specially in Iraq. Those bases are concentrations of GIs protected only against farmers with ak-47.

Main bases will be targeted by hundreds of missiles.

Iran President Rouhani publicly announced U.S government diplomatic Phone numbers for compensation with U.S President passed by Swiss embassy

White House passes phone number to Swiss, in case Iran wants to call
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/10/politics/white-house-iran-phone-number/index.html





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Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Remember how well Hezbollah - that had a few thousand troops at that time - fared against IDF in 2006? I have no reason to believe Iranian army fighting in Iran would perform any worse.

Unfortunately I don't remember the details but Israel has overwhelming technological superiority over Hamas.

Isos wrote:
2 ballistic missiles with 600-800kg warhead on every totally unprotected secondary US bases will make huge loses to US. Specially in Iraq. Those bases are concentrations of GIs protected only against farmers with ak-47.

Main bases will be targeted by hundreds of missiles.

Iran doesn't have hundreds of missiles and the moment they follow what you said ( launch 2 BM on US bases) they will face a few hundred US Ballistic and cruise missiles.

Iran doesn't have hundreds of missiles and the moment they follow what you said ( launch 2 BM on US bases) they will face a few hundred US Ballistic and cruise missiles.

They have.

Their goal won't be to win the war. They will be destroyed anyway. Their actual army is pathetic compared to even iraqi army back in the 90s. No tanks, no modern airforce, local air defense ... their only hope is to succeed in ballistic missile attacks and guerillas if US send troops.

Isos wrote:

Iran doesn't have hundreds of missiles and the moment they follow what you said ( launch 2 BM on US bases) they will face a few hundred US Ballistic and cruise missiles.

They have.

Their goal won't be to win the war. They will be destroyed anyway. Their actual army is pathetic compared to even iraqi army back in the 90s. No tanks, no modern airforce, local air defense ... their only hope is to succeed in ballistic missile attacks and guerillas if US send troops.

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What?

Iran has way more of an airforce than Iraq had. Majority of Iraq's military was destroyed during the Kuwait war. Iraq had little in the means of fighting back.

Local air defenses are much more advanced than what Iraq had since Iraq relied on 100% imported while Iran can produce majority of what they need - its all about logistics and keeping up. In terms of ballistic missiles, Iran has more than enough to destroy multiple US bases and inflict massive casualties. As for their armored forces, they are more modern than Iraq's and a lot of it is localized upgrades. Plus they produce their own ATGM's and MANPADS. With Iran being rather very mountainous, they would cause havok on US forces. No, they wouldn't win 1 on 1. But they have enough to cause so much damage that it would possibly cause mass discontent within the US.

Do you even know how many missiles Iran has? It's SHITTONS. Expect several hundred US dead even before the first US soldier steps a foot on Iranian soil.

miketheterrible wrote:[
Iran has way more of an airforce than Iraq had.  Majority of Iraq's military was destroyed during the Kuwait war.  Iraq had little in the means of fighting back.

Local air defenses are much more advanced than what Iraq had since Iraq relied on 100% imported while Iran can produce majority of what they need - its all about logistics and keeping up.  In terms of ballistic missiles, Iran has more than enough to destroy multiple US bases and inflict massive casualties.  As for their armored forces, they are more modern than Iraq's and a lot of it is localized upgrades.  Plus they produce their own ATGM's and MANPADS.  With Iran being rather very mountainous, they would cause havok on US forces.  No, they wouldn't win 1 on 1.  But they have enough to cause so much damage that it would possibly cause mass discontent within the US.

Iran air force sucks. F-14 are well known by US since it's their own plane. The rest are junk. Migs won't be better than in serbia or iraq, mirage f1 were easy targets for old f-14 and no one knows if they can sustain military operations. F-5 are a joke.

What can they produce ? Air def systems ? Even China begs for russian hardware to copy it and you think Iran can develop alone such systems. Their tanks will never see US vehicles.

Their only hope is the ballistic missiles and the 3 kilos.

Manpads and atgms use will be only when US destroy all the country's economic, political and military targets. At the end their country will look like iraq in 2004. But this time US won't stay there, they will just blow up everything.

GarryB wrote:If Israel needs all those nukes "in case Arab or Persian States get nuclear weapons" then why all these attacks on the various so called nuclear weapons programmes.
I mean if Israel is going to attack countries for developing nuclear weapons, then they really don't need any nukes for themselves at all...

No, they need nukes in case of a 6-Day War replay with 5 Arab nations + Iran potentially overwhelming their defenses. Also, chemical & bio WMD r easier to procure/use & could be resorted to in a war against Israel if all else fails.
I don't think there'l be a large ground US invasion of Iran- they failed in Iraq & Afghanistan which r smaller by both area & population. Some areas in Iran r even worse than in Afghanistan:
Throughout the 60-day march through the desert, Alexander lost at least 12,000 soldiers, in addition to countless livestock, camp followers, and most of his baggage train. Some historians say he lost three-quarters of his army to the harsh desert conditions along the way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gedrosia#History
https://www.livius.org/sources/content/arrian/anabasis/alexander-in-the-gedrosian-desert/

What can they produce?

They recently built mini-subs & a warship: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/iran-building-its-own-submarines-torpedoes-the-us-navy-cant-21091
https://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/node/36662

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They recently built mini-subs & a warship:

You mean subs that can only be used inside of hormuz strait if there is no US helicopter to hunt them and a missile boat.

Good luck doing anything with that.

They can lay mines, deploy SF & blow up oil wells, shore targets &/ tankers, not only in the strait, just like NK subs. They also have them in the Caspian- if USN uses Azeri access to it, they'll have some means to resist. Other navies with interests to defend may get involved in assisting in the waters around Iran.