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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:06 pm


    Photo recon is not something that requires large number of aircraft so they can get away with using leftover An-140

    Might as well get some mileage out of them yet while they are around







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    Post  AMCXXL Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:20 pm

    [quote="Rodion_Romanovic"]
    GarryB wrote:

    Anyway the Russian military has about a dozen an140. Even if they don't build new an140, i don't see why they should not continue to use the existing ones. They have anyway all the documentation and are capable to produce spares and maintain them without Ukraine's support.

    The reason to buy 9 An-140 as well as other planes at the time of Commander Zelin is basically corruption
    Russia did not need these planes at all, in fact the 5 of the Air Force does not use them, only a couple of An-140 of the Russian Navy have been used a bit regularly in the last decade
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    Post  medo Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:22 pm

    I don't see much problem for RuAF to use those An-140 as they use TV3-117 engines. Klimov also produce those engines and in future they could reengine them to more modern TV7-117 engines, which are for new Il-112 and Il-114. With serial production of Il-114, I hope RuAF and RuNAVY will also get some specialized versions of them.
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    Post  AMCXXL Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:42 am

    medo wrote:I don't see much problem for RuAF to use those An-140 as they use TV3-117 engines. Klimov also produce those engines and in future they could reengine them to more modern TV7-117 engines, which are for new Il-112 and Il-114. With serial production of Il-114, I hope RuAF and RuNAVY will also get some specialized versions of them.

    the best can do RuAF with An-140 and An-148 is sell them and use the new Il-114, SSJ and/or MS-21 as airliners and (also for replace Tu-134)
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Feb 24, 2020 3:09 am

    AMCXXL wrote:
    medo wrote:I don't see much problem for RuAF to use those An-140 as they use TV3-117 engines. Klimov also produce those engines and in future they could reengine them to more modern TV7-117 engines, which are for new Il-112 and Il-114. With serial production of Il-114, I hope RuAF and RuNAVY will also get some specialized versions of them.

    the best can do RuAF with An-140 and An-148 is sell them and use the new Il-114, SSJ and/or MS-21 as airliners and (also for replace Tu-134)
    Antonov is closing down thanks to the Maidan nuts, so it would be a poor acquisition for the buyer of the aircraft because the closure would make acquiring parts and spares difficult, unless they (Russians) mastered the production for each part, which wouldn't make sense if they've set out production of domestic Russian aircraft in those weight categories. For someone to buy them they would have get them for dirt cheap to justify the purchase. So in short they'd be a hard sell.
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    Post  AMCXXL Mon Feb 24, 2020 5:40 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    AMCXXL wrote:
    medo wrote:I don't see much problem for RuAF to use those An-140 as they use TV3-117 engines. Klimov also produce those engines and in future they could reengine them to more modern TV7-117 engines, which are for new Il-112 and Il-114. With serial production of Il-114, I hope RuAF and RuNAVY will also get some specialized versions of them.

    the best can do RuAF with An-140 and An-148 is sell them and use the new Il-114, SSJ and/or MS-21 as airliners and (also for replace Tu-134)
    Antonov is closing down thanks to the Maidan nuts, so it would be a poor acquisition for the buyer of the aircraft because the closure would make acquiring parts and spares difficult, unless they (Russians) mastered the production for each part, which wouldn't make sense if they've set out production of domestic Russian aircraft in those weight categories. For someone to buy them they would have get them for dirt cheap to justify the purchase. So in short they'd be a hard sell.

    Antonov is kaput

    Antonov was s soviet company, Oleg Antonov born in Moscow,
    the reason for install the Antonov desingn bureau in Kiev was political. In USSR all the territories had to have industry

    When the USSR ends, Antonov become a mixed Enterprise Russia-Ukraine, with the central offices remain in Kiev, also for political easons, since Russia also has other aeronautic companies and Ukraine not.

    However, Russia was able to produce An-148 in VASO, while Ukraine was not able to produce nothing in a lot of years.
    I not sure if half a dozen An-158 were handed over completely finished to Cuba, Anyway, today nobody operates any new Ukrainian made new aircraft

    Here is the An-70 in 2013 with both flags, Ukraine and Russia

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    After the coup in Ukraine, the joint Enterprise was disolved.
    Ukraine cannot produce any airplane without Russian components and have not money enough to change them
    and Russia is not interested in Antonov airplanes at all

    Then Antonov is a zombie company
    really is only an airline for make cash operating the only An-225 and the remaining An-124
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:09 am

    AMCXXL wrote:
    medo wrote:I don't see much problem for RuAF to use those An-140 as they use TV3-117 engines. Klimov also produce those engines and in future they could reengine them to more modern TV7-117 engines, which are for new Il-112 and Il-114. With serial production of Il-114, I hope RuAF and RuNAVY will also get some specialized versions of them.

    the best can do RuAF with An-140 and An-148 is sell them and use the new Il-114, SSJ and/or MS-21 as airliners and (also for replace Tu-134)
    they should be able to produce the space parts for them and maintain them, so if there are safe to fly, and there are some roles in which they can be used there is no point about selling them, especially because Antonov cannot say anything about how the russian military maintains its own aircrafts, but could create problems for the maintenance and overhaul operation if sold to other countries...

    If they have potential customers, better to sell them new russian aircrafts...
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    Post  GarryB Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:02 am

    My thoughts were mainly regarding the fact that these Antonovs are new planes and it makes sense to use them, but you don't really want to have to make a lot more to make them a viable useful fleet for transport needs.

    A niche job like aerial photography means you could dedicate the entire fleet to that role... you could of course other types in the same role as needed, but if you could get away with using all these new ukrainian aircraft it would mean they get used and perform a function without a lot more money being spent on making more of them.

    Eventually if you convert all systems to Russian systems it will essentially be a Russian aircraft and they could sell some off to perhaps Iran who was also part of the arrangement before it went tits up... part of the sale terms could include converting existing Iranian models with the same Russian components so it essentially becomes a Russian aircraft and they could sell production rights to Iran so they could service and maintain their own models together with the Russian models... in fact... why wait... just sell them to Iran on reasonable terms and just get rid of them from the Russian Air Force and just buy and support fully Russian designs...
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:17 am

    GarryB wrote:My thoughts were mainly regarding the fact that these Antonovs are new planes and it makes sense to use them, but you don't really want to have to make a lot more to make them a viable useful fleet for transport needs.

    A niche job like aerial photography means you could dedicate the entire fleet to that role... you could of course other types in the same role as needed, but if you could get away with using all these new ukrainian aircraft it would mean they get used and perform a function without a lot more money being spent on making more of them.

    Eventually if you convert all systems to Russian systems it will essentially be a Russian aircraft and they could sell some off to perhaps Iran who was also part of the arrangement before it went tits up... part of the sale terms could include converting existing Iranian models with the same Russian components so it essentially becomes a Russian aircraft and they could sell production rights to Iran so they could service and maintain their own models together with the Russian models... in fact... why wait... just sell them to Iran on reasonable terms and just get rid of them from the Russian Air Force and just buy and support fully Russian designs...

    It is true that Iran operated a few An-140 (mainly assembled in Iran from complete knock-down kit built in Kharkov), but would not be better at this point to sell them Il114, maybe organising partial joint production there?
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    Post  Hole Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:54 am

    More info about the An-140 recon version.

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    Post  George1 Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:16 pm

    Equipment for aerial photographing An-140-100 aircraft


    On February 19, 2020, JSC Experimental Engineering Plant named after V.M. Myasishcheva ”(part of the Transport Aviation Division of United Aircraft Corporation JSC) reported that it had completed work on the modernization of the An-140-100 serial aircraft in the form of aerial photography. A set of design and technological documentation and additions to operational and technical documentation have been released. The aircraft carried out the necessary refinement of the airframe and systems, installed special equipment that allows for cartographic aerial photography of the area. The flight tests of the aircraft were supposed to begin "in the near future."

    In fact, at JSC Experimental Engineering Plant named after V.M. Myasishchev ”was converted into an aerial photograph version of the combat aircraft An-140-100 (serial number 11A002, registration number RF-41254) of the Russian Aerospace Forces - the first An-140-100, which was built at Aviakor Aviation Plant JSC in Samara for Russian Ministry of Defense under a contract of December 2009 and was transferred to the Russian Air Force on December 23, 2011.

    Recall that the project to create an aerial photography and cartographic version of the An-140 aircraft, designed to replace the An-30B aircraft in the Russian military and civil aviation, has a long history. Back in 2008, the Russian Ministry of Defense signed a contract with Vega Concern JSC to carry out R&D of Renter to develop an aerial photograph version of the An-140 aircraft. As part of the implementation of this OKR in 2012, the Russian Ministry of Defense signed a contract with JSC Aviakor-Aviation Plant for the manufacture of a prototype aerial photographing version of the An-140-100 new-built aircraft in accordance with the Renter “Surveyor”. In fact, due to the problems of the Samara plant and the ensuing conflict with Ukraine, the prototype aerial photographing version of the An-140-100 aircraft at Aviakor remained unfinished, although back in 2016 the company’s management announced their intention to complete this aircraft, finding it difficult, however, to name the deadlines .

    Ultimately, in 2018, according to the results of work on the Surveyor R&D, it was decided to re-equip one of the An-140-100 combat planes previously built for the VKS in the passenger version with the aerial photography complex, with the implementation of these works of Experimental Machine-Building Plant named after V.M. Myasishchev. "

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3971251.html
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    Post  Hole Sun May 10, 2020 1:17 pm

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    Tu-214LMK. For testing of some electronic components of the Tu-160M2 (Maybe some stuff for PAK-DA). Can also be used as Trainer.
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    Post  GarryB Sun May 10, 2020 3:19 pm

    Nice... and could be sold in a downgraded form to allies wanting a cheap bomber.

    For a country like Iraq or Syria wanting to deal with terrorists then an aircraft like this would be cheap to operate and could be unified with civilian Tu-214s they operate commercially domestically.

    They wont need Blackjack level equipment on board, just the Gefest & T systems and the capacity to carry some bombs externally should do the job.
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    Post  Isos Sun May 10, 2020 10:57 pm

    That's an awsome design for all those specialized military versions. Too bad it failed on civilian market.
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    Post  George1 Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:04 am

    The first flight of the modernized An-2 aircraft with a Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A-67B engine


    July 31, 2020 in Novosibirsk SibNIA at the Yeltsovka airfield of the N.A. V.P. Chkalov, under the control of the crew consisting of: PIC, Honored Test Pilot Vladimir Evgenievich Barsuk, Co-Pilot Test Pilot Igor Aleksandrovich Moseikin and Leading Flight Test Engineer Test Pilot Maxim Veniaminovich Morozov, for the first time raised the Legenda-570 aircraft ... The aircraft is a deep modernization of the classic An-2 (TVS-2MS) aircraft, remotorized by the PT6 turboprop engine. We can say that this is a new aircraft that has retained the main features of the An-2. The chief designer of the aircraft is Vyacheslav Trunov. The aircraft is being created for Mongolia.

    The post uses photographs of Sergei Olegovich Ivantsov and video of Ilyas Zhumabaevich Kozhabergenov.


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    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4103772.html

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Jan 01, 2021 7:50 pm

    The An-2 replacement production to start: 
    https://vz.ru/society/2020/12/31/1078290.html
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    Post  George1 Tue Aug 31, 2021 12:27 am

    The Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation announced that the aircraft L-610 will be produced in the future

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/12250895

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