Utility/Auxilliary aircrafts in RuAF

GarryB wrote:

UWCA and Diamond to develop an aircraft for the Russian Ministry of Defense

Don't know why they would be cooperating with a Canadian company considering how anti Russian the Canadian government seems to be...

Just looks like an ordinary light twin engine aircraft to me.

The Ministry of Defense of Russia began purchasing Diamond DA42T aircraft as training
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December 26Th, 4:39



As reported on December 25, 2017 by the Department of Information and Communications of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Deputy Minister of Defense Yuri Borisov visited the Urals Civil Aviation Plant (UZGA) in Yekaterinburg on a working visit.


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The Diamond DA42T aircraft (on-board number "054"), intended for delivery to the Ministry of Defense of Russia, in the shop of JSC "Ural Civil Aviation Plant" (UZGA). Ekaterinburg, December 25, 2017 (with) Alexey Ivanov / TRK "Zvezda"

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Speaking at a meeting with the company's staff, Yury Borisov said that the Russian Defense Ministry planned from 2019 on further purchases of Vorpost drones, improved taking into account combat experience in Syria and assembled entirely from Russian components.

"In Syria," Forpost "has proven itself from the very best side. Therefore, we are making plans for the next decade to use these complexes. Naturally, they will undergo modernization, "Yury Borisov explained.

He thanked the employees of the plant, who were constantly at the airbase of Khmeimim in Syria, where they provided maintenance for unmanned vehicles.

"The plant supplied about 30 Forpost complexes to the troops, but they were still assembled from imported components. At the request of the Ministry of Industry and Trade, the plant has performed work on import substitution and we are discussing plans for ordering a new contract in 2019 with 100% localization. Thus, "Outpost" will be entirely Russian, "- said Yuri Borisov.

The reconnaissance unmanned fleet "Forpost" includes three aircraft and a ground control station. The weight of one aircraft is 500 kilograms. He is capable of reconnaissance from a height of five kilometers for 16 hours at a distance of up to 400 kilometers.

Yuri Borisov also said that "the Ministry of Defense has a firm contract for 35 training aircraft that will be used to train cadets of military transport aviation."

According to him, in 2017, three aircraft were delivered. In 2018, the state joint tests will be completed.

"In the plans for next year there are already 17 aircraft, and in 2019, another 15. Total will be 35 aircraft delivered," - explained Yuri Borisov.

He also noted that the Defense Ministry has plans to use the aircraft as a platform in other areas, including as a patrol.

In addition, the Ministry of Defense of Russia was interested in aircraft L-410.

"It interests us for use in difficult weather conditions, for landing on water, on snow. We provided a modification of the float and ski, so that it could be used in the interests of including special operations forces, "Yury Borisov said.

The multi-purpose 19-seat L-410 aircraft is produced at the Ural Civil Aviation Plant in two versions: as a training and transportation vehicle for cargo and passengers.

Modernization of the aircraft by the plant means, first of all, the replacement of the on-board equipment with the domestic one, the change in landing gear of the chassis is a ski chassis for landing on snow and a float for landing on water. In addition, a landing gear for landing on a soft ground, unprepared platform is being developed.


The bmpd comment. Thus, we are talking about the beginning of the purchase by the Ministry of Defense of Russia of light two-motor four-seat aircraft Diamond DA42 NG Twin Star, produced by the Austrian company Diamond Aircraft Industries GmbH, to be used as training aircraft for preparation for the Ural Civil Aviation Plant (UZGA) cadets of military transport aviation of the Russian Air Force. The DA42 NG airplanes are equipped with Austro Engine AE 300 aviation diesel engines from Austro Engine, owned by the same Diamond Aircraft,

Recall that the issue of the acquisition by the Ministry of Defense of Russia aircraft Diamond DA42 NG as training was instituted in 2010-2011. In 2013, UZGA received a contract from the Ministry of Defense to create a specialized training version of the DA42 NG, designated DA42T. Earlier it was reported that the assembly of DA42T at UZGA was to begin in 2015, and in 2016 it was planned to achieve their localization of the level of supposedly 100%. However, in fact, the assembly of these machines for the Ministry of Defense was started, as can be seen from the above message, only now.

UZGA also participates in the development of manned and unmanned observation platforms based on DA42 aircraft (such platforms based on DA42 are widely used all over the world). As it was already reported, in 2016 the Russian FSB purchased two DA42M NG aircraft from the UZGA with additional equipment for use in reconnaissance variant "for provision of state needs". Now the interest to such complexes on the basis of DA42 NG is shown by the Russian Defense Ministry. It should be noted that such aircraft are widely used


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franco wrote:https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3021206.html

- 35 DA42T twin prop trainers to be purchased for basic air training of Military Transport Aviation air crew
- MoD interested in another 18 L-410UVP 19-seat STOL to be manufactured in Russia
- also a updated version of the Israeli Searcher Mk2 assembled in Russia made completely with Russian parts to also be purchased. (There were ~ 30 Searchers complexes or Forpost in Russian purchased, each with Control, Recovery, Maintenance units along with 3 UAV's.)    

d_taddei2 wrote:Sorry if this has been mentioned before.
does anyone know why Russia is purchasing 35 Diamond DA42 Twin Star trainers from Austria?  doesn't Russia have anything similar?  also the article states purchase of 18 L-410 Czech transport I thought Russia was focused on Russia produced equipment thought this was a bit risky especially all these sanctions being implemented.

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3021206.html

d_taddei2 wrote:Is there any plans for a Russian replacement of the highly successful An-2??? The aircraft was successful both military and civilian service. I know some upgrades were done and antonov wanted to produce a similar aircraft but with Russian and ukrainian bad relationship no purchase or sale would be made. An-2 still have plenty of life (younger versions) but won't be in service forever

George1 wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:Is there any plans for a Russian replacement of the highly successful An-2??? The aircraft was successful both military and civilian service. I know some upgrades were done and antonov wanted to produce a similar aircraft but with Russian and ukrainian bad relationship no purchase or sale would be made. An-2 still have plenty of life (younger versions) but won't be in service forever

they presented this at MAKS-2017. TVS-2DTS

d_taddei2 wrote:I had heard of plans but didn't see anything but isn't this aircraft for a specific civilian role? Or will it be used as military and other roles? Honeywell engine I would imagine russian military would use something russian built engine

eehnie wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:I had heard of plans but didn't see anything but isn't this aircraft for a specific civilian role? Or will it be used as military and other roles? Honeywell engine I would imagine russian military would use something russian built engine

The orders of An-2 after 1970 were minimal. The Russian Armed Forces keep like 3 active and 4 reserve aircrafts produced after 1970. The production of An-2 between 1971 and 1991 was almost totally for civilian purposes and export.

Many designs wanted to be the successor of the An-2, but failed both for military and civil purposes. The concept is outdated.

eehnie wrote:For military purposes the An-2 has too low service ceiling. 4500m means the aircraft can not fly avoiding manpads.
In the role of transport aircraft, the An-2 and the current aircrafts of its size cathegory lack the payload necessary to be useful today.
In the role of airliner aircraft, the An-2 lacks the capacity to make its use profitable today.
In overall terms this concept is outdated today.

All it is reflected in the low number of orders of the successors of the An-2 in the last decades.

Of course the units in service still are used, but in the refered to the Russian Armed Forces very likely are under exhaustion in the mid-term and will not have replacement with aircrafts of its size cathegory. In this aircraft cathegory helicopters dominate.

eehnie wrote:For military purposes the An-2 has too low service ceiling. 4500m means the aircraft can not fly avoiding manpads.
In the role of transport aircraft, the An-2 and the current aircrafts of its size cathegory lack the payload necessary to be useful today.
In the role of airliner aircraft, the An-2 lacks the capacity to make its use profitable today.
In overall terms this concept is outdated today.

All it is reflected in the low number of orders of the successors of the An-2 in the last decades.

Of course the units in service still are used, but in the refered to the Russian Armed Forces very likely are under exhaustion in the mid-term and will not have replacement with aircrafts of its size cathegory. In this aircraft cathegory helicopters dominate.

d_taddei2 wrote:

eehnie wrote:For military purposes the An-2 has too low service ceiling. 4500m means the aircraft can not fly avoiding manpads.
In the role of transport aircraft, the An-2 and the current aircrafts of its size cathegory lack the payload necessary to be useful today.
In the role of airliner aircraft, the An-2 lacks the capacity to make its use profitable today.
In overall terms this concept is outdated today.

All it is reflected in the low number of orders of the successors of the An-2 in the last decades.

Of course the units in service still are used, but in the refered to the Russian Armed Forces very likely are under exhaustion in the mid-term and will not have replacement with aircrafts of its size cathegory. In this aircraft cathegory helicopters dominate.

Yet again your argument fails to see that it all depends on requirements to say it's ceiling height capacity of payload and passengers. In fact no helicopters such as ansat mi-17 ka-60 can beat upgraded An-2 in range and if you look at what is being touted as replacement no helicopter comes even close. As for ceiling height you wouldn't be flying it within range of manpads unless you're mad. Just like you wouldn't fly an Il-76 within range of enemy air defence.

But obviously Rostec don't share the same views as you. February this year they stated that the TVS 2DTS a direct replacement for the An-2 has not only been signed off by them but various Russian ministries and Russian helicopter holding company so even they see the need for a replacement. The An-2 long service history proves just how useful it is since 1947. And reason for lack of sales for such newer aircraft is that there hasn't been any serious development of such an aircraft to spur sales in til now. The TVS 2DTS is an all weather all composite aircraft requiring no real runway and has a cruising speed of 350km/h  (much faster than cruising speed of q helicopter) carry 3.5tons and a range of 4,500km  (greater than any helicopter) the company has stated manufacturing facilities will built by 2019 and 2021-2025 200 are to be built. Yet you believe this sort of aircraft to be useless hmmmmmmm.

If there's a need to transport troops or supplies in smaller quantities to a rugged area or very small runway over a fairly medium range when a helicopter doesn't have the range and using a il-76 would be a waste of money carrying a smaller payload or a runway to small to handle a il-76 that is exactly where this type of aircraft fits in. And I have no doubt Russian military will purchase some of these parachute training to transport of supplies passengers and medical evac.


https://rostec.ru/en/news/rostec-to-launch-manufacturing-of-tvs-2dts-light-aircraft/

Vladimir79 wrote:

eehnie wrote:For military purposes the An-2 has too low service ceiling. 4500m means the aircraft can not fly avoiding manpads.
In the role of transport aircraft, the An-2 and the current aircrafts of its size cathegory lack the payload necessary to be useful today.
In the role of airliner aircraft, the An-2 lacks the capacity to make its use profitable today.
In overall terms this concept is outdated today.

All it is reflected in the low number of orders of the successors of the An-2 in the last decades.

Of course the units in service still are used, but in the refered to the Russian Armed Forces very likely are under exhaustion in the mid-term and will not have replacement with aircrafts of its size cathegory. In this aircraft cathegory helicopters dominate.

It is only $1.5m per unit, that is the selling point.  There are many countries that cannot afford more but still need this capability.  

eehnie wrote:

Taking into account the size of most of the countries, they are not tempted by the opton of longer range with really minimal payload.

These countries tend to order helicopters. Russia prepared a good range of models to offer in the size cathegories around the size of the An-2:

Ka-27 + Mi-8 families
Ka-60/62
Mi-Ansat
Ka-226

All them more successful than the aircrafts of the list of my previous comment, or with better prospect (in the case of the Ka-60/62