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    Post  GarryB on Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:23 pm

    Just read this....

    https://tass.com/defense/1207849

    Which is an article about Russian attack helicopters getting suicide drones... the interesting thing is that the drones are carried and launched from 80mm rocket pods of a new design that allows different numbers of rockets to be carried...

    MOSCOW, October 2. /TASS/. A modular cluster of unguided aviation missiles, developed by the research center Zaslon (Screen) for the helicopter gunship Mi-28NM, will allow helicopters to fire mini-drones and suicide drones from the missile launch tubes, a source in the defense-industrial complex told TASS.

    Zaslon's module B8V10-UV is different from the current ones in several respects. The number of missile tubes can be adjusted for each specific task. Also, it boasts weapons programming instruments.
    "Built-in instruments transmit information from the helicopter's weapons control system to the payload, be it controlled detonation missiles, guided missiles, mini-drones or suicide drones. For instance, it can charge the drone's battery, transmit the activation command, and turn the drone on to send it on a pre-programmed mission," the source said.

    Originally, the new unguided aviation missile cluster was designed for the helicopter Mi-28NM, but it will be usable on all of Russia's combat helicopters equipped with a weapons control system, such as Mi-28, Ka-52 and attack configurations of the Mi-8.

    "Roughly speaking one flash drive is capable of reprogramming the weapons control systems for using not only ordinary unguided aviation missiles, but also smart weapons," the source explained.

    The block of weapons B8V10-UV with modular cassettes K8V10-UV and K8B5-UV (index 9-A-5013) was created by the research and development center Zaslon in the process of upgrading the helicopter Mi-28NM. For the first time the product was presented at the forum Army-2018. The caliber of the launch tubes is 80 mm.

    So those rocket tubes could launch a suicide drone to attack enemy drones... or launch guided or unguided rockets or just a normal drone that can be used to observe and find perhaps drones on the ground or troops on the ground or whatever....

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    Post  Hole on Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:14 pm

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    That could mean that this light rocket launcher could also use drones.

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    Post  marcellogo on Sat Oct 03, 2020 11:16 pm

    Hole wrote:Russian Ground Forces: News #2 - Page 36 000529
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    That could mean that this light rocket launcher could also use drones.

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    Or that you can mae a multiple payload carryng tockets /missiles and drone o different calibers /dimension:let's say a standard domension module with 10X81mm rockets, one with 4/5x 122mm ones and another with pair of micro drones etc,etc.
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    Post  thegopnik on Sun Oct 04, 2020 5:27 am

    Got a serious hardon depending how many dragon fly drones with 2kg payloads Russia will produce and how many of those can fit inside those 80mm tubes. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwia84P-65nsAhVJa80KHVnRC9UQFjAHegQIBBAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fcommunity.apan.org%2Fcfs-file%2F__key%2Fdocpreview-s%2F00-00-12-79-91%2F2018_2D00_02_2D00_01-Russia_2700_s-New-_2700_Dragonfly_2700_-UAV-_2800_Johnson_2900_.pdf&usg=AOvVaw23W87dcryYKgG5341mKvTi

    It will be like that cutscene on 1:27 with hornets but with Dragonflies flying with 2kg payloads from the helicopter. Also the dragonflies can fly for 40 minutes which can cover a pretty good distance at 20km/hr
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 04, 2020 7:49 am

    My understanding is that you just have the number of launch tubes that the launch platform can carry, and you can load normal drones, suicide drones , or other types of rockets as you please including guided and unguided rockets.

    Obviously to use unguided rockets you would need to point the launcher at the target by manouvering the vehicle, but the launchers shown on that Tigr are angled up so the rocket is lofted into the air to extend range... which would be good for launching drones, but also for launching illumination rockets or indeed a rather enlarged smoke filled rocket that might go off 100m in front of the vehicle with an enormous amount of filler to hide the vehicle as it moves away...

    Having larger capacity rockets like the 122mm pods would allow longer range larger rockets to be used, so for illumination you will be able to launch further away with perhaps two illumination flares per rocket coming down on parachutes for instance, or larger heavier longer flight range drones or suicide drones with a heavier payload, or guided rockets to hit point targets...

    They have shown 80mm pods and talked about 122mm pods ... has anyone seen any 57mm pods?

    They used to use those calibres but dropped them because of their lack of payload... but with simple cheap guidance a 57mm rocket becomes accurate enough that a heavy payload is no longer needed... a 1.5-2kg payload could be possible and effective against a car sized target if you get direct hits, while the 4-8kg payload of an 80mm rocket could take on trucks and light armour. The 122mm rockets are designed to penetrate protective layers like an hardened hangar and damage aircraft inside so armour piercing HE with up to 32kg payloads split into separate components... would be ideal for punching into bunkers or light armoured vehicles and then exploding inside for max lethality/effectiveness...
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    Post  Hole on Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:10 pm

    And now to something completly different...

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    Kotomka. Device for the suppression of IED´s.

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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Oct 04, 2020 2:16 pm

    Hole wrote:
    That could mean that this light rocket launcher could also use drones.

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    I think we are looking here at part of the future of warfare. Primarily on the ground and air but maybe at sea, as per the Iranian speedboats.

    Those launchers seem to plug together a bit like Lego and have multiple payloads, potentially only limited by a command and control system. Imagine them scaled up on trucks (a combined 'Grad' plus suicide drone salvo) or down on 'beach buggy' type vehicles (recce plus suicide drones). Interestingly this 'technical' has a cargo area cover that keeps the weapons dry but also hides them before use.

    Interesting.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:51 am

    I would agree that it is interesting, but in my opinion more because it is scalable... remember these rockets are aircraft launched rockets with a range of 2-5km normally. With guided rockets you might be able to loft them into the air to get better range but they are not going to be anything anywhere near a Grad in range or payload capacity.

    Little armed speed boats vs the US Navy sounds like a david and goliath type conflict... and the problem is that it is.

    Russia would be stupid to give up cruisers and destroyers in the hopes of using smaller ships to overwhelm their enemies simply because right now the west outnumbers them and outspends them by a wide margin...

    Small groups that are well managed and with good communications and tactics can take on and defeat much larger less organised groups, but those small groups need to work together and they need to be well equipped and skilled at what they do.

    The value in this system is that it can be used as a standard helicopter rocket launcher system, but can also be mounted on ground vehicles or light aircraft.

    For light patrol planes they had a 7 shot launcher for 80mm rockets for aircraft that could not carry the heavier 20 shot launcher... now they have 5 and 10 shot launchers that can be carried in combinations that the platform can carry.... and they are vastly expanding the types of things they can launch from those tubes.

    For 122mm and 152mm artillery they had a jammer round that could be fired towards the enemy HQ and would sit on the ground whereever it impacted and jam local communications for about an hour... a 122mm rocket version of that would be interesting.

    For use in the back of light trucks is probably more interesting for special forces operating behind enemy lines... being box shaped should allow much easier camouflage options too.
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    Post  Isos on Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:37 pm

    https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1313815223275487232

    Another weapon depot took fire. Lot of explisions.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:41 pm

    The MiC and construction companies must be greedily rubbing their hands knowing a replacement building and replacement munition will be needed.
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    Post  Isos on Wed Oct 07, 2020 4:03 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:The MiC and construction companies must be greedily rubbing their hands knowing a replacement building and replacement munition will be needed.

    That's for sur old stocks that needed to be replaced.

    As for construction they have engineers in the ground corps that should be able to do it. They are already paid, use them. dunno
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Oct 07, 2020 4:18 pm

    Isos wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:The MiC and construction companies must be greedily rubbing their hands knowing a replacement building and replacement munition will be needed.

    That's for sur old stocks that needed to be replaced.

    As for construction they have engineers in the ground corps that should be able to do it. They are already paid, use them. dunno

    I would say so but I doubt they will use the military construction company and may go for private. But then again, they moved to military construction company for Vostochney....
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Oct 07, 2020 4:47 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:The MiC and construction companies must be greedily rubbing their hands knowing a replacement building and replacement munition will be needed.

    I remember they said a few months ago that MIC reconstruction would become non-profit.
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    Post  Hole on Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:44 pm

    A random day in Nizhny Tagil. Very Happy

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    Post  Hole on Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:46 pm

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    Can someone identify this truck?
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    Post  franco on Fri Oct 09, 2020 9:05 pm

    UTM decontamination vehicle??
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    Post  Hole on Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:09 pm

    Of course. pwnd
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:49 pm

    Universal mine clearing system:

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Oct 31, 2020 2:44 pm

    A new method of camouflage from satellites patented in Russia
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    A new method of camouflaging ground-based mobile objects from radar satellites of possible adversaries was patented by the Budenny Military Communications Academy of the Russian Defense Ministry. This was reported by RIA Novosti with reference to the Rospatent database.

    Camouflage will be carried out by spraying a special aerosol along the route of mobile objects. The resulting "cloud" should obstruct the satellite's sounding signal.

    The patent does not specify which mobile objects can be disguised in this way. We can talk, among other things, about mobile complexes with intercontinental ballistic missiles.

    Earlier, Russian scientists have developed a way to camouflage military equipment in winter. The material is created on the basis of filaments with a nanostructured ferromagnetic microwire. The reflected wave does not allow the enemy's radar devices to determine the hidden object. The detection range of military equipment due to this material is reduced by 3.5 - 4 times.

    https://rg.ru/2020/10/22/novyj-sposob-maskirovki-ot-sputnikov-zapatentovali-v-rossii.html

    Even though they already have something like this, I think the difference between the aerosol smoke machine already in service and this is that the bolded line seems to suggest that the aerosol could be sprayed ahead of time on the route before the vehicles arrive. The current aerosol smoke machine sprays with the vehicles/objects being present, while this version doesn't require that.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:16 pm

    I suspect they have managed to devise a way of making aerosol particles much smaller than a micron. A 100 nm particle almost
    has no sedimentation and an aerosol with such particle sizes acts like a stiff gas since the particles are still much larger than
    molecules. Of course, the wind will still blow this aerosol away and over time it will diffuse just like any gas.

    The other detail is the absorption properties of the material used for the aerosol which is engineered to be in the EM bands that
    are used by satellites. So both optical and longer wavelength spectra.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:21 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Universal mine clearing system:

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    Omg similar to the Stryker engineering kit. Which was awful and handicaped the Stryker...
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Nov 02, 2020 4:27 pm

    Thanks to new intelligence tools, the Russian armed forces can hit targets 2.5 times faster
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    The introduction of new special equipment has significantly expanded the capabilities of Russian military intelligence. And the time between detecting the target and striking it was reduced by 2.5 times.

    This was stated by the Deputy chief of the General staff of the Army for intelligence, major General Alexey Belousov, in an interview with the newspaper of the Armed forces of the Russian Federation "Red star", published today.

    Using a new technique, the intelligence service is now able to reveal enemy objects to the entire depth of the zone of responsibility in real time. Scouts use unmanned aerial vehicles, radar systems that can detect targets in any weather conditions, the latest radio stations, as well as intelligence, control and communication complexes (KRUS) "Sagittarius-M". And seismic sensors allow you to track the movement of equipment and military personnel of the enemy. All incoming data is immediately processed, transmitted, and counted.

    According to major General Belousov, all this modern equipment allows you to save the lives of personnel.

    In conclusion, he congratulated the military intelligence officers on their professional holiday, which will be celebrated soon, on November 5.

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    Post  Hole on Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:57 pm

    In the pic is the old Zoopark-1 radar. New one:

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:48 am

    Omg similar to the Stryker engineering kit. Which was awful and handicaped the Stryker...

    Just looks like standard engineering kit that can be fitted to a wide variety of vehicles... but most of the time would be mounted on dedicated engineering vehicles based on tanks...

    The vehicle at the top of the page is a BTR-80 series vehicle so if it can carry it then it should not be a problem for a more powerful heavier vehicle like a Boomerang etc.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Nov 03, 2020 7:58 pm

    Model of Drok 82mm mortar on a BMP.
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    New mortar complexes are being developed in the interests of the Russian ground forces ' Rvia

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