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    Syrian War: News #17

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    Post  JohninMK Wed May 09, 2018 11:10 pm

    Credit where its due, good post Vann.
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    Post  KiloGolf Wed May 09, 2018 11:16 pm

    Vann7 wrote: THis is why Israel have been very cautious in invading Lebanon again.. they know
    the economic damages and soldiers loses could be several times higher now.. with a much better armed and trainned hezbolah..

    Israel experienced a reduction in growth by 0.9% due to that war. HzB was expelled from the South, by other means (UNIFIL/LAF) as Israeli politicians took the UN deal, rather than giving Operation Change of Direction 11 a chance (they ended it pre-maturely), thus not allowing IDF to reach the Litani and  isolate pockets of HzB in the south.

    The result of that war was HzB reducing (pretty much to zero compared to 2000 - 2006) activities in the south and re-creating their defensvie line on the Litani.
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    Post  JohninMK Wed May 09, 2018 11:19 pm

    Speculation that this could be Assad on his way to Moscow.


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    Post  Isos Wed May 09, 2018 11:43 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Speculation that this could be Assad on his way to Moscow.


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    They are setting an ambush with Putin to Netanyahou in Moscow ? lol1
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    Post  Vann7 Thu May 10, 2018 12:03 am

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Vann7 wrote: THis is why Israel have been very cautious in invading Lebanon again.. they know
    the economic damages and soldiers loses could be several times higher now.. with a much better armed and trainned hezbolah..

    Israel experienced a reduction in growth by 0.9% due to that war. HzB was expelled from the South, by other means (UNIFIL/LAF) as Israeli politicians took the UN deal, rather than giving Operation Change of Direction 11 a chance (they ended it pre-maturely), thus not allowing IDF to reach the Litani and  isolate pockets of HzB in the south.

    The result of that war was HzB reducing (pretty much to zero compared to 2000 - 2006) activities in the south and re-creating their defensvie line on the Litani.

    Then Israel manipulated the economic numbers.. because 50,000 soldiers invasion to a foreign nation ,with all your airforce ,navy and army activated ,cost a lot of money...Tourism don't work either in a warzone.when your country bombed.. And on top all the money Israel loss in interceptors hits and misses and infrastructure. and the Public Image of Israel Army destroyed.. With those soldiers crying ... Israel was caught by the balls in the war.. in lebanon.. the real winner was Hezbolah.. but was a symbolic victory.still it was...  Is there is something Israel fear more is not Iranian fake nuclear weapons..but Iranian conventional missile program.. 70,000 missiles that IRAN claims have ,and have been building for decades , can cause more economic damage than a nuclear weapon attack. Since a nuke is concentrated the damage in one place but the most of the energy goes upward..  but  70,000 missiles ??? even half of them.. lets say 35,000 ,can destroy 70,000 factories and major industries.. destroy bridges and Drones factories and nuclear power plant too. Can also destroy israel power lines ,, and a nation without electricity will be nation without economy.. So this is why Netanyahu ,major demand in any deal with IRAN is their conventional missile program.. they know very well that it can be as dangerous as nuclear weapons..in terms of economic damages.. Israel lost the war in lebanon because they did not achieved its objectives in defeating hezbolah ,far from it and got humiliated and was forced to retreat with some humiliating loses.  The soldiers Israel wanted to rescue.. they neither could rescue.. and had to  negotiate in a table with hezbolah for their release , in change of the release of hezbolah soldiers.. so it was not a victory for Israel that war.. in any shape ,way or form.. but a major embarrassing event.


    The last election results in Lebanon, just of a few days, prove that Hezbollah continues with full presence in South Lebanon.

    Exactly.. the political side of hezbolah party is stronger than ever and the military side too.. Hezbola paramilitay group is not going to defeat Israel any time soon.. is not at same level but they can make any conflict very expensive for them.and cause major casualties on its military too.



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    Post  eehnie Thu May 10, 2018 12:05 am

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Vann7 wrote: THis is why Israel have been very cautious in invading Lebanon again.. they know
    the economic damages and soldiers loses could be several times higher now.. with a much better armed and trainned hezbolah..

    Israel experienced a reduction in growth by 0.9% due to that war. HzB was expelled from the South, by other means (UNIFIL/LAF) as Israeli politicians took the UN deal, rather than giving Operation Change of Direction 11 a chance (they ended it pre-maturely), thus not allowing IDF to reach the Litani and  isolate pockets of HzB in the south.

    The result of that war was HzB reducing (pretty much to zero compared to 2000 - 2006) activities in the south and re-creating their defensvie line on the Litani.

    The last election results in Lebanon, just of a few days, prove that Hezbollah continues with full presence in South Lebanon.

    Fanboys are excited just because they are losing a war.

    There is not more painful retaliation for the US, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and the rest, than the defeat of their forces in the ground. Pocket after pocket, front after front.
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    Post  flamming_python Thu May 10, 2018 12:13 am

    starman wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:Russia should tell Israel in no uncertain terms this time - hands off Syria.

    If they want to bomb Iranians then they can go bomb Iran, or fight them in Lebanon, Iraq, whatever.

    Syria is not to be involved in any of this. Israel has been given too much leeway - the Israelis have taken out not only Iranian and Hezbollah targets in Syria but plenty of Syrians too.
    And now they want to wage battle with Iran in Syria. Can't be allowed.

    I agree in principle, Russia should do that, but for now it's just too damn risky. Israel is too powerful. Russia just doesn't have enough conventional strength localized to beat them, if things escalated. And I don't think it can afford to send sufficient forces to fight Israel. S-400s in Syria couldn't stop the IAF in an allout war, or anything approaching it. True, Russia is a more formidable nuclear power than Israel, but escalation of that magnitude risks WWIII and anihilation...
    I'm real sorry to say this but the best thing Syria, Russia and Iran can do now is grit their teeth, rely on passive defenses (SAMs, dispersal, hardening, diplomacy perhaps) to deal with IAF attacks and remain focused on wrapping up the civil war. (Also dealing with Trump's loony decision.) After the civil war is concluded, the priorities may be, besides reconstruction, building a much more potent AD system.

    Russia can completely annihilate Israel conventionally.

    Kalibrs, Iskanders, Kinzhals, all sorts of other missiles.

    Their nuclear retaliation capability will be toast.

    The Russian base in Syria will have to sacrificed.
    But basically it's actually Israel that has no way of replying against Russia conventionally. Russia can just keep firing weapons from stand-off range until Israel is defeated.

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    I learned from decision makers in #Syria that #Russia is putting pressure on the Syrian leadership to refrain from responding to #Israel attacks. #Damascus wants to respond to Israeli violations but Russia believes "it is not the time to escalate and fall into the Israeli goal".


    Haha, oh yeah, dear Putin, as long as they kill Syrians/Iranians... there is no problem with "not responding" to Israel attacks.
    Curious what his opinion would be if instead Russians would be killed in Israeli strikes, right dear Putin?
    As long as no russian blood is flowing we should accept it...

    Every country has its right for selfe defence!
    Putins hesitation to answer properly to Israel illegal attacks against a sovereign country is the reason this attacks will not stop!

    Putin, we will never forget how you sold Libya to your jewish friends.
    Putin, we will never forget how you delayed the S-300 deal for 10 years as Iran needed it desperately!
    Putin, we will never forget how you stopped the S-300 & Yak-130 deal to Syria, because your jewish friends told you to do so.
    Putin, we will never forget how you handed over Syrian Air defence BUK-codes to your zionist masters, so they can continue the killing and destroying
    Iran learned it already the hard way, you cannot trust Russia.

    The only chance to wake up Putin from his illusion is that something big will happen against russians.
    Be it during Fifa 2018 or whatever, i hope his "partners" will f.. him up properly up, because thats the only chance he will maybe wake up..

    Putin doesn't give a rat's ass about Syria or its soldiers.

    I'd like to say that the same attitude doesn't extend to Russia's proper military allies, by treaty. But who knows.
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    Post  KiloGolf Thu May 10, 2018 12:23 am



    Exactly.. the political side of hezbolah party is stronger than ever and the military side too.. Hezbola paramilitay group is not going to defeat Israel any time soon.. is not at same level but they can make any conflict very expensive for them.and cause major casualties on its military too.


    They have political presence in the south. Militarily they've fallen back and away from theit 2006 positions.
    If they're naive to return and start the 2006 circus, Israel will not hold back from targetting LAF and all of Lebanon. Lieberman has stated that recently.
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    Post  KiloGolf Thu May 10, 2018 12:27 am

    flamming_python wrote:Russia can completely annihilate Israel conventionally.

    Israel can sustain all of those hits and erase all Russian presence in Syria and Eastern Med in the process. Russia will have a hard time assemblying a fleet to chase IDF/Navy subs and IDF/AF has simply hundreds of planes ensuring air dominance over Lebanon, parts of Syria and all the way to Cyprus.

    They're not in Russia's league of conventional clients (like ISIL or Chechnya). An airbase and 20 deployed planes doesn't change anything as far as Israel's air, land (and to less degree sea) dominant, regional position is concerned.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Thu May 10, 2018 12:39 am

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Israel can sustain all of those hits and erase all Russian presence in Syria and Eastern Med in the process. Russia will have a hard time assemblying a fleet to chase IDF/Navy subs and IDF/AF has simply hundreds of planes ensuring air dominance over Lebanon, parts of Syria and all the way to Cyprus.

    .

    Purely theoretically - there will be never any conflict between Russia and Israel. But why Russia would assemble anything? long range stand off missiles is enough to if not wipe out all infrastructure. Do you really suggest thet massive attack of Kh-101/calibers / Kiznhals could be defended by Israel? They barely can defend against Hizbollah's Grads
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    Post  Guest Thu May 10, 2018 12:40 am

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:This is meaningless what you say... If you hit a tank and kill all its crew and destroy the engine and destroy
    all its electronics and computer.. you can still repair the tank in most cases if most of the armor still standing.
    This is no different to Syrian T-72's.. vast majority of them are repaired even after tanks destroyed.

    So if crew killed and or tank completely disable and takes months to repair it will still count as destruction..
    most tanks can be repaired unless it completely explode in pieces and that is rare.. to happen.. unless
    the ammo inside all explode.

    You're describing a string of events that occured at variable levels of intensity, to less than 20 AFVs on the IDF side.

    There's an example of a Merk IV mobility loss, which after IDF bombing (apparently HzB tried to snatch it) was left as an empty, yet intact, hull. It was pulled out, almost a month after beginning of hostilities and with it they built a whole new Merk.

    Syria does the same to their T-series, sure. I was never an ATGM "OMG this tank is destroyed" video fanboy. Everything, once recovered can be rebuilt.

    Its alot harder to rebuild damaged T-72 than Merkava or Abrams, as you got more "meat" to work with. My father worked on tank maintenance during the war, they drag in M-84 hit by M-79 Osa, best he could do is to scrap parts from it and literally make one tank from two (to say so, due to lack of better term), turret was left somewhere in Croatia, flew few dozen m into a dich. Merkavas rarely if never face such catastrophic damage.

    Some wrecks of T-72s hit in Syria, or M-84s hit in Yugoslavia, could be packed into box of cereals.
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    Post  Guest Thu May 10, 2018 12:45 am

    "Iran's Quds Force launched some 20 missiles into #Israeli-controlled territory - Israeli media" - Sputnik

    "IDF says air raid sirens heard in occupied #GolanHeights, without providing any details as to what triggered the alert" - RT

    "BREAKING: Syrian territory shelled from Israeli-occupied Golan Heights – state media" - RT

    Any further cheesy info?
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    Post  KiloGolf Thu May 10, 2018 12:48 am

    Militarov wrote:"Iran's Quds Force launched some 20 missiles into #Israeli-controlled territory - Israeli media" - Sputnik

    "IDF says air raid sirens heard in occupied #GolanHeights, without providing any details as to what triggered the alert" - RT

    "BREAKING: Syrian territory shelled from Israeli-occupied Golan Heights – state media" - RT

    Any further cheesy info?

    Hope is not true and also hope Israel won't go all Lebanon on them.
    Iran is sh1ttin all over the progress Russia achieved in Syria.
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    Post  JohninMK Thu May 10, 2018 12:51 am

    It is very true



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    #Syria #Quneitra
    Heavy machine gun fire on the town of Mashara now


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    #Pt. #Israel|i army says #Syria/#IRGC fired 20 rockets towards #Golan & some were intercepted by Iron Dome system. H/t @AAhronheim.


    Qalaat Al Mudiq
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    #Pt. #Israel|i retaliation to MRLS strikes started. Artillery bombing multiple targets in #Quneitra province/Hermon Mount.

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    Sources in Quneitra tell me: Heavy Israeli shelling on regime positions in Quneitra now: Baath city, Tel Ahmar & Amal Farms all hit in the past several minutes.


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    Locals are reporting of an extraordinarily prolonged exchange as #Israel fires back on #Syria positions right now. #Iran


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    Post  Vann7 Thu May 10, 2018 12:53 am

    Wael twiiter is reporting that.. a major mini war is happening now in Syrian border with israel occupied
    Golan heights.. Shelling and missiles happening in both directions..



    #Syria/n jets can be heard clearly over #Damascus right now.

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    #Syria/n AD systems are engaging targets over North #Daraa and #AlQunityra Countrysides

    #SAA responded to the #Israel/i shells on #AlQunityra
    By striking the Israeli forward outpost on Al Shaykh mountain north east of Al Jolan Heights, with heavy artillery shells.


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    #Update 8
    #Israel is preparing to launch a massive air strikes on every #SAA AD system and communication system in south east #Syria

    #SAA is preparing for worse and a large escalation.


    THis is clearly Israel trying to provoke a major war , with Syria to slow down their progress..
    they attack Syria and later try to pretend to be the victims.. when Syria army strike back.
    So far Syrian army is retaliating at Israel attacks , on Syria.. and Israel made it look they are the
    ones being attacked..


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    Post  lycantrop Thu May 10, 2018 12:54 am

    http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/2503-breaking-news-missiles-launched-from-israeli-jets-into-syria


    ISRAELI ATTACKS HAVE KILLED AT LEAST TWO RUSSIAN REGULAR ARMY SOLDIERS IN SYRIA. ISRAEL HAS JUST DRAWN FIRST BLOOD

    AT LEAST TWO RUSSIAN MILITARY MEMBERS KILLED BY ISRAELI AIR STRIKES IN SYRIA! ONE SPETZNAZ, AND ONE REGULAR RUSSIAN ARMY. ISRAEL HAS DRAWN FIRST-BLOOD FROM RUSSIA. 6:45 PM EDT
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu May 10, 2018 12:55 am

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Militarov wrote:"Iran's Quds Force launched some 20 missiles into #Israeli-controlled territory - Israeli media" - Sputnik

    "IDF says air raid sirens heard in occupied #GolanHeights, without providing any details as to what triggered the alert" - RT

    "BREAKING: Syrian territory shelled from Israeli-occupied Golan Heights – state media" - RT

    Any further cheesy info?

    Hope is not true and also hope Israel won't go all Lebanon on them.
    Iran is sh1ttin all over the progress Russia achieved in Syria.

    It's true and Israel is getting ready to do precisely that, air campaign is already revving up

    Syrian morons took the bait, hook, line and sinker and will be getting assraped into extinction now

    Listening to Iran really paid off, eh?

    Hopefully IDF limits the action to erasing units near Golan and leaves rest of it alone (unlikely though), those clowns in the south did not contribute to counter insurgency ops anyway.

    Russia better start detaching Latakia if this escalates.
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    Post  KiloGolf Thu May 10, 2018 12:57 am

    They should have listened to Russia and refrained from responding, at least until Daraa and Quinetra were cleared out of beardies.
    Their own capital still has ISIL present and Idlib/Homs/Aleppo are still serious launching pads for destabilizing Syria.

    Idiots.
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    Post  Guest Thu May 10, 2018 1:01 am

    Seems Israelis arent slowing down, still barraging.
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    Post  Vann7 Thu May 10, 2018 1:02 am

    PapaDragon wrote:

    It's true and Israel is getting ready to do precisely that, air campaign is already revving up

    Syrian morons took the bait, hook, line and sinker and will be getting assraped into extinction now

    Listening to Iran really paid off, eh?

    Hopefully IDF limits the action to erasing units near Golan and leaves rest of it alone (unlikely though), those clowns in the south did not contribute to counter insurgency ops anyway.

    Russia better start detaching Latakia if this escalates.

    You can't just continue taking hits without fighting back... this only encourage Israel to do more..
    If Syrian army positions are being shelled by Israel across border trying to help their Rebel terrorist to continue advancing what are they supposed to do? Allow ISrael to capture more Syrian territory ? or fight back?
    There are times that you need to strike back.. Look at when the israel f-16 was shot down.. Israel was pacified
    for an entire week.. and Russia leaving latakia will be encouraging Syrian enemies to reverse all the gains
    of Russia in 3 years. not an option.. Russia needs to stand there firm.. and even indirectly help Syria army
    as much as possible.. So that Israel pays a price for its hostilities.. the only thing Bully nations understand
    is Force..



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    Post  Guest Thu May 10, 2018 1:05 am

    RT claims there are also aerial strikes being performed by Israel from Lebanese airspace atm.

    https://www.rt.com/news/426302-syria-israel-damascus-rockets/
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    Post  JohninMK Thu May 10, 2018 1:06 am

    Terrorists trying to take advantage of the Israeli bombardment


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    In light of the #Israel #Israeli Zionist bombing on #SAA Military positions on the outskirts of Baath city, the terrorist organisations tried to infiltrate nearby points on thr outskirts of Al-Baath city on the western Al-Samdaniye- Hamidiye axis.


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    Post  Vann7 Thu May 10, 2018 1:13 am

    wow this is BIG!!!!
    More tensions now ,between Russia and Israel than ever..



    UPDATE 3:27 PM EDT --
    Russian Air Force taking flight from Latakia; heading along Syria Coast toward Lebanon.  Israelis being TOLD via air-to-air radio to immediately halt their attacks against Syria.


    UPDATE 4:35 PM EDT --
    Word directly from Lebanon now: For the first time, Russian Air Force planes entered Lebanese Air Space and CHASED-OFF the Israelis!  


    UPDATE 5:41 PM EDT --

    Israel launching multiple "TAMAZ" missiles directly at Syrian Army in the area around Ba'Ath City.  This is a DIRECT ACT OF WAR BY ISRAEL AGAINST THE LAWFUL GOVERNMENT OF SYRIA.  No more pretense of "Fighting Terrorists" or "defending Israel from Iranian militias in Syria."  This is open aggression.

    UPDATE 6:03 PM EDT --
    The Syrian Arab Army is now retaliating with artillery shelling of its own against an Israeli Defense Force outpost on Al Shaykh mountain, northeast of the Golan Heights.  VERY HEAVY SHELLING.

    UPDATE 6:11 PM EDT --
    Multiple explosions confirmed at Israeli Defense Force positions throughout the Golan Heights.  Active Combat in progress.

    UPDATE 6:18 PM EDT --
    Israeli Defense Force now commencing shelling of Syrian town of Hadar.


    The meeting of Netanyahu with Putin did not went well.. according to some sources he
    left earlier than expected and Putin was very distant from him.


    Update..
    wow!!
    Now Syrian army is targeting Israel positions in Golan heights.  Shocked


    UPDATE 6:21 PM EDT --
    Syrian Army now re-targeting IDF Israeli positions in the Golan Heights with heavy Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (MLRS)

    A multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) is a type of rocket artillery system. Rockets have different capabilities than artillery, like longer range, and different payloads, typically considerably larger warheads than a similarly sized artillery platform, or multiple warheads. Unguided rocket artillery is notoriously inaccurate and slow to reload, compared to artillery. To overcome this, rockets are combined in systems that can launch multiple rockets simultaneously. Modern rockets can use GPS or inertial guidance, to combine the advantages of rockets with high accuracy.




    UPDATE 6:22 PM EDT --
    Israeli tank shelling destroyed a base for Syrian anti-aircraft guns (23 mm range) and the main target of Israeli shelling is the Syrian regime anti-aircraft system deployed on the western side of Madinat Al-Baath in Quneitera.  
    The Israelis want to get rid of Syria's ability to defend their own county's air space.

    UPDATE 6: 32 M EDT --
    Israeli war planes are now bombing the Syrian army and elements of the Lebanese Hezbollah militia on the outskirts of Hadar and Khan according to sources there on the ground witnessing it taking place right now! (I have a SATCOM link with them)

    UPDATE 6:35 PM EDT --
    Syrian Army confirms four Israeli Defense Force positions destroyed and multiple IDF vehicles hit by Syrian artillery in the Golan Heights.

    UPDATE 6:39 PM EDT --
    Israeli Air Force firing at Damascus again from the Mediterranean Sea off the Coast of Lebanon.  Being targeted by Syrian Anti-Aircraft Missiles ! ! !

    UPDATE 7:15 PM EDT --
    CINC NORAD has declared DefCon 4 for US Forces Worldwide, exception of  CENTCOM,  to DefCon 3


    UPDATE 7:15 PM EDT --

    IDF positions on Mount Hermon are now coming under fire from Syrian Forces who they attacked earlier.

    Ten separate IDF positions/Bases are now engaged in combat with Syria.  Israel attacked first.



    #Update 9
    The situation is still like this
    #Israel shelling the SAA positions in #AlQunityra
    And #SAA responds against the Israeli positions in Jolan Heights with MRLSs

    At the moment little or no areal activity of the Israeli jets over #Lebanon.



    So there you have it..a small? war is now happening between Israel and Syria..
    And Syrian army is doing the right thing.. Not responding when Israel is clearly trying to destroy Syria air defenses..
    ,communications and electronic warfare.. and reverse all Russia and Syria gains against terrorist NATO and ISrael support will be a serious mistake..

    now with artillery will be a dead sentence for the defense of Syria..  My only wish ,is that Russia could be able to
    help Syria defend itself and hold its positions.. without having Russia to interfere directly.


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    Post  PapaDragon Thu May 10, 2018 1:38 am

    Vann7 wrote:....
    There are times that you need to strike back.. Look at when the israel f-16 was shot down.. Israel was pacifiedpacified for an entire week


    Week is long gone. They don't seem so pacified now and I doubt that anything will be getting shot down

    Vann7 wrote:.... and Russia leaving latakia will be encouraging Syrian enemies to reverse all the gains
    of Russia in 3 years. not an option.. Russia needs to stand there firm....

    I never said leave, I said detach Latakia. Create separate country and leave rest of it to USA, Israel and Iran to fiddle with. It's all just worthless desert anyway.

    Syrians just fucked big time by falling for this.

    I hope that reason for Bengie's visit to Moscow was to coordinate this mess so hopefully Russian interests would not be affected.

    Also, it might be reason why Iran went full retard now, they didn't want to lose influence and tried to box Russia in.

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