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    Post  PapaDragon Thu May 10, 2018 9:17 pm

    Vann7 wrote:.............
    anyway if the video is Real.. and not fabricated.. in wars disinformation is part of it..
    Then Russia will know have learned that need to choose better the staff ,next time.. that will operate
    such complex machinery correctly. dedicated staff that did not lower their guards.. in a war zone.
    ....

    Russia doesn't have to do jack shit

    Product is delivered, done deal

    End user assigns staff, not manufacturer
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    Post  KiloGolf Thu May 10, 2018 9:21 pm

    Mindless_drone wrote:Russia can’t fix stupid. Dude.

    It's clearly Russia's fault.
    No Russian EW and no Moldovan working ladies to polish SAA/AD 'social skills' during their relaxed chat next to the Pantsir.
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    Post  Isos Thu May 10, 2018 9:35 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Mindless_drone wrote:Russia can’t fix stupid. Dude.

    It's clearly Russia's fault.
    No Russian EW and no Moldovan working ladies to polish SAA/AD 'social skills' during their relaxed chat next to the Pantsir.

    That looked like a small drone. That's weired it didn't get jamed at that distance. I don't think that happened on the border but far from it. So Russians didn't use jaming. That's unusual.

    The resolution is quite bad also if this is a real footage. In a city with building I don't think they could find targets.
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    Post  Mindless_drone Thu May 10, 2018 9:35 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Mindless_drone wrote:Russia can’t fix stupid. Dude.

    It's clearly Russia's fault.
    No Russian EW and no Moldovan working ladies to polish SAA/AD 'social skills' during their relaxed chat next to the Pantsir.

    They are going up against the best air force in the world and leave their SAMs unattended when Israel bombs them every 3-4 days now it seems.

    I’m at loss for words. Russia needs to send some prostitutes to motivate them.
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    Post  Isos Thu May 10, 2018 9:57 pm

    Any news about the iranian 20 missiles lunched ?

    Where are the pro westerners who said that russia didn't show intercepted missiles so they didn't intercept anything last time ?

    Israel didn't show any iranian missile so was there actually a real attack ? It seems they invented all this ... an lunched an attack on syria.
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    Post  Guest Thu May 10, 2018 10:26 pm

    "The tankmen who work in Yarmouk & Hajar Aswad are just amazing. They, together with Shilka teams are often the first to enter ISIS controlled areas to clear the way for the infantry. Almost all tanks, shilkas and BMPs are getting hit by Daesh"

    Well... if tanks and Shilkas are clearing way for the infantry, you need another 7 years of civil war to fkn learn how to fight along armored units...
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    Post  par far Thu May 10, 2018 11:29 pm

    Isos wrote:
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    archangelski wrote:Syrian War: News #17 - Page 35 PyESKju

    Gotta hand it to them, they know how to roll.

    Letting a fucking pantsir turned off in the middle of an airfield being attacked, and stand near it, is really smart ... they should paint red target circle on them next time.

    Not surprising they lose all their wars ... Russians should get out of Syria. They are hopeless


    How do you know that it is turned off?
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    Post  par far Thu May 10, 2018 11:36 pm

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    I makes sense actually, with ISIS getting finished off and rebels not too far behind it's time to start laying down the law.

    Iran wants a springboard into Israel apparently. Russia wants to keep the whole place nice and quiet for 50-75 years. Those two objectives are not compatible.

    Only room for one boss.

    They have secured what they need. Iran is playing alone with some SAA units and chiite milicias. Russia doesn't protect them at all. Neither they protect them poloticaly actually.

    Israel won't touch russian any day soon. They are economic parteners and pushing russia in Iran's side totally is something they would never want. Specially now that hypersonic missiles and su-57 are ready.


    Iran is boss of nothing. They are weak military. Very weak. All they can do is send missiles and sole pasdaran armed with basic rifles. Nothing more like fighter jets or s-400 or destroyers ...


    If they were weak, they would have been invaded like Iraq, Libya and Syria. I don't think Iran was behind this, if Iran was responding to the attacks on it forces, they would have not launched missiles randomly, they would have targeted specific targets and they would have hit them. This may have been something to do with the nuclear deal, they wanted to paint Iran as a aggressor to justify pulling out of the nuclear deal.
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    Post  par far Thu May 10, 2018 11:50 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Mindless_drone wrote:Russia can’t fix stupid. Dude.

    It's clearly Russia's fault.
    No Russian EW and no Moldovan working ladies to polish SAA/AD 'social skills' during their relaxed chat next to the Pantsir.


    "On May 10, the Ministry of Defense of Russia announced in an official statement that 23 warplanes of the Israeli Air Force had launched more than 60 missiles at positions of the Syrian Arab Air Defense Forces (SAADF) and Iranian forces in Damascus governorate and southern Syria. According to the statement, the Israeli Army also launched more than 10 ground to ground tactical missiles during the attack.

    The Russian military added that the SAADF had shot down more than a half of the Israel missiles launched at Syria on the early morning of May 10. The ministry added that it is currently investigating the results of the Israeli strike.

    From its side, the General Command of the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) said in an official statement that the SAADF had shot down “a big part” of the Israeli missiles.

    There was no social gathering(don't know where the fuck you got that from), they had shoot down more than half the missiles and some missiles are going to hit(in real war this is bound to happen), in a hypothetical situation(and this is just hypothetical situation), if the Ukrainian Forces launched missiles at Russia, Russia would intercept most of those missiles but there would be some that make it through.

    https://southfront.org/russian-defense-ministry-reveals-new-details-about-israeli-strikes-on-syria/

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    Post  Isos Thu May 10, 2018 11:53 pm

    How do you know that it is turned off?

    People on twiter that have Syrian sources. You can also see the crew standing near it and the turet is in non combat position looking at the rear and isn't targeting the drone.

    If they were weak, they would have been invaded like Iraq, Libya and Syria. I don't think Iran was behind this, if Iran was responding to the attacks on it forces, they would have not launched missiles randomly, they would have targeted specific targets and they would have hit them. This may have been something to do with the nuclear deal, they wanted to paint Iran as a aggressor to justify pulling out of the nuclear deal.

    Their army is based on missiles. Air fore, navy and army equipement are old very limited in numbers and they don't produce anything to equip themselves really worth.

    To use missile at 300km and more you need informations. And they can't get any information by themselves so far. Israel has sattelites constantly watching iran and syria.

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    Post  Vann7 Thu May 10, 2018 11:59 pm

    Isos wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    Mindless_drone wrote:Russia can’t fix stupid. Dude.

    It's clearly Russia's fault.
    No Russian EW and no Moldovan working ladies to polish SAA/AD 'social skills' during their relaxed chat next to the Pantsir.

    That looked like a small drone. That's weired it didn't get jamed at that distance. I don't think that happened on the border but far from it. So Russians didn't use jaming. That's unusual.

    The resolution is quite bad also if this is a real footage. In a city with building I don't think they could find targets.

    Thats exactly the problem.. Electronic warfare will not have allowed the drone to even get close..will have been blinded
    20km away , it will be blind..
    IRAN captured one big stealth drone of Boeing which the latest anti EW protections.. this was a small drone
    that will have  not being able its operator to see anything where the Pantsir was.. his TV Signal will be loss..
    So it is true that Syrians operators are to blame.. but Russia military could have made their air defenses more idiot proof.. if just had an unit of special forces with EW near.. providing support..  This is a major embarrassment for Russia military... Americans stands with their terrorist and even cover them with their own armies so they don't bombed, but Russia have troubles in defending its own allies.. If Russia assisted Syria correctly.. it will have at least 2 pantsirs
    in every zone.. one to protect the other.. or one pantsyr + one EW unit.. coordinated , so when the pantsyr is reloading
    or people taking a few minutes break  that there is an extra layer of protection in place..  Even if it is to blame on Syrian army .. it still shows Russia was not present monitoring near the use of the Pantsirs. otherwise experienced
    operators will have been there to warn him about any mistake. People should not defend Russia too much..
    The Su-25 that crashed ,shutdown by ISIS did not had Electronic warfare.. and it was not UNTIL the pilot KILLED...
    by a manpad.. that the geniuses of the Russian military get the idea.. hey.. why not add Electronic warfare to Su-25's too ?  This is not Syrian army mistakes.. but Russian army poor support to their pilots ,not taking seriously the security. Anyone remember the Mi-8 hellicopter that was shot down by a Manpad? and crew killed? well guess what .NO EW either.. It was later.. Only after 3-5-7 people killed in Mi-8 that the Russian military took the decision of
    equip the Mi-8 with Electronic warfare too.. No

    Hopefully now either the Russian army will retrain Pantsi operators correctly ,not give the Air defense to amateurs..
    and or provide one special operators of Electronic warfare ,to assist the Syrian air defenses.. to work together as a team. so when one system is on.. the other is off.. when EW is on.. the Pantsir off.. or any way.. so they work together  to significantly enhance their security.


    they had shoot down more than half the missiles and some missiles are going to hit(in real war this is bound to happen)

    Thats not the problem.. the issue is when Russia lose one of their Pantsirs .in so amateurist way...the pantsir was not even in combat position. A simple small EW unit..will have very easily protected that airbase from guided Drones..  they can both operate together if there is coordination as when to use or the other . Ideally speaking All interceptions will be better to be done with Electronic warfare.. that way you save from using a missile.. First try to shutdown drones with EW ..and if it fails.. then switch off EW and use the Pantsir.. whatever is the case ,that that AD system ,could have been saved if only there was a backup defense for the pantsir.. like another pantsir or an EW unit. simple things that could have done a huge difference.. There will be always losses .. yes.. but Russia needs to minimize them to the lowest..and make sure it did have extra security.. having AD working in pairs withing a safe distance but working together.. so when one is reloading the other covers it.. hopefully Russia will learn from this new embarrassing attack of their pantsir and re-train their operators and also add a new backup system either an EW unit or another Pantsir to enhance the security. Decoys also seems Russia is not really taking advantage of this.. you could have decoys emulating the signal of any radars , in many places ,to make missiles target sand..


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    Post  par far Fri May 11, 2018 12:21 am

    Isos wrote:
    How do you know that it is turned off?

    People on twiter that have Syrian sources. You can also see the crew standing near it and the turet is in non combat position looking at the rear and isn't targeting the drone.

    If they were weak, they would have been invaded like Iraq, Libya and Syria. I don't think Iran was behind this, if Iran was responding to the attacks on it forces, they would have not launched missiles randomly, they would have targeted specific targets and they would have hit them. This may have been something to do with the nuclear deal, they wanted to paint Iran as a aggressor to justify pulling out of the nuclear deal.

    Their army is based on missiles. Air fore, navy and army equipement are old very limited in numbers and they don't produce anything to equip themselves really worth.

    To use missile at 300km and more you need informations. And they can't get any information by themselves so far. Israel has sattelites constantly watching iran and syria.



    People on Twitter are not that reliable, just because people are standing around does not mean that the system is turned off, there could be mechanic problems with it. there could be other things wrong with it.

    Their army is not based just on missiles, they ground forces are very good(the support they gave to Iraqi and Syrian ground forces is one of the reasons why reasons why they defeated ISIS. Their Air Force and the Navy is not up to the level of their neighbors but they can use it to their advantages. They produce most of their equipment, they are not as good as the US or Russia but it is good equipment.

    They did not need to launch missiles at 300km, the missiles that were Deir ez-Zor hit their targets. If it came to a situation, where they should have to launch missiles more than 300km, they would launch them and hit their targets because they have had time to develop their missiles.

    This is a good video that provides some insight into Iran, there is some details that maybe not up to date and some information that people may disagree with but it does a decent job of telling what Iran is capable of.



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    Post  par far Fri May 11, 2018 12:26 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    Mindless_drone wrote:Russia can’t fix stupid. Dude.

    It's clearly Russia's fault.
    No Russian EW and no Moldovan working ladies to polish SAA/AD 'social skills' during their relaxed chat next to the Pantsir.

    That looked like a small drone. That's weired it didn't get jamed at that distance. I don't think that happened on the border but far from it. So Russians didn't use jaming. That's unusual.

    The resolution is quite bad also if this is a real footage. In a city with building I don't think they could find targets.

    Thats exactly the problem.. Electronic warfare will not have allowed the drone to even get close..will have been blinded
    20km away , it will be blind..
    IRAN captured one big stealth drone of Boeing which the latest anti EW protections.. this was a small drone
    that will have  not being able its operator to see anything where the Pantsir was.. his TV Signal will be loss..
    So it is true that Syrians operators are to blame.. but Russia military could have made their air defenses more idiot proof.. if just had an unit of special forces with EW near.. providing support..  This is a major embarrassment for Russia military... Americans stands with their terrorist and even cover them with their own armies so they don't bombed, but Russia have troubles in defending its own allies.. If Russia assisted Syria correctly.. it will have at least 2 pantsirs
    in every zone.. one to protect the other.. or one pantsyr + one EW unit.. coordinated , so when the pantsyr is reloading
    or people taking a few minutes break  that there is an extra layer of protection in place..  Even if it is to blame on Syrian army .. it still shows Russia was not present monitoring near the use of the Pantsirs. otherwise experienced
    operators will have been there to warn him about any mistake. People should not defend Russia too much..
    The Su-25 that crashed ,shutdown by ISIS did not had Electronic warfare.. and it was not UNTIL the pilot KILLED...
    by a manpad.. that the geniuses of the Russian military get the idea.. hey.. why not add Electronic warfare to Su-25's too ?  This is not Syrian army mistakes.. but Russian army poor support to their pilots ,not taking seriously the security. Anyone remember the Mi-8 hellicopter that was shot down by a Manpad? and crew killed? well guess what .NO EW either.. It was later.. Only after 3-5-7 people killed in Mi-8 that the Russian military took the decision of
    equip the Mi-8 with Electronic warfare too.. No

    Hopefully now either the Russian army will retrain Pantsi operators correctly ,not give the Air defense to amateurs..
    and or provide one special operators of Electronic warfare ,to assist the Syrian air defenses.. to work together as a team. so when one system is on.. the other is off.. when EW is on.. the Pantsir off.. or any way.. so they work together  to significantly enhance their security.


    they had shoot down more than half the missiles and some missiles are going to hit(in real war this is bound to happen)

    Thats not the problem.. the issue is when Russia lose one of their Pantsirs .in so amateurist way...the pantsir was not even in combat position. A simple small EW unit..will have very easily protected that airbase from guided Drones..  they can both operate together if there is coordination as when to use or the other . Ideally speaking All interceptions will be better to be done with Electronic warfare.. that way you save from using a missile.. First try to shutdown drones with EW ..and if it fails.. then switch off EW and use the Pantsir.. whatever is the case ,that that AD system ,could have been saved if only there was a backup defense for the pantsir.. like another pantsir or an EW unit. simple things that could have done a huge difference.. There will be always losses .. yes.. but Russia needs to minimize them to the lowest..and make sure it did have extra security.. having AD in pairs working together.. so when one is reloading
    the other covers it..


    Russia is a properly trained arm and has a long history of war's and winning them(going back hundreds of years), hopefully this war in Syria ends soon because war is not really for Arabs.

    We really don't know the exact videos of what is going in that video to make accurate assumptions but from the reports from the Russian MOD, they intercepted more than half of the missiles.
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    Post  Guest Fri May 11, 2018 12:30 am

    Isos wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    Mindless_drone wrote:Russia can’t fix stupid. Dude.

    It's clearly Russia's fault.
    No Russian EW and no Moldovan working ladies to polish SAA/AD 'social skills' during their relaxed chat next to the Pantsir.

    That looked like a small drone. That's weired it didn't get jamed at that distance. I don't think that happened on the border but far from it. So Russians didn't use jaming. That's unusual.

    The resolution is quite bad also if this is a real footage. In a city with building I don't think they could find targets.

    Seems real, video was posted by IDF.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Fri May 11, 2018 12:49 am

    Militarov wrote:Seems real, video was posted by IDF.

    me wonders Iran/Syria/Hezbollah always have their asses kicked by air-force (either US or Israeli) so why Iran is not trying to develop AAD complexes? like behind doors Russia/China help? Industrial espionage?
    At level of BUK-2, or Belorussian OSA modifications?
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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri May 11, 2018 12:59 am

    ISIS territory being squeezed by SAA Very Happy   I wonder what utter BS Syrias enemies will come out with when Syria and friends vanquish IS on their territory yet IS remains in areas held by US/SDF and adjacent Zio-occupied Golan and Jordan-serfs?

    Syrian War: News #17 - Page 35 Dc2V0WHWkAEm-ks
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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri May 11, 2018 1:19 am

    Mindless_drone wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    Mindless_drone wrote:Russia can’t fix stupid. Dude.

    It's clearly Russia's fault.
    No Russian EW and no Moldovan working ladies to polish SAA/AD 'social skills' during their relaxed chat next to the Pantsir.

    They are going up against the best air force in the world and leave their SAMs unattended when Israel bombs them every 3-4 days now it seems.

    I’m at loss for words. Russia needs to send some prostitutes to motivate them.

    Another prat for my ignore list....
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    Post  miketheterrible Fri May 11, 2018 1:35 am

    Biggest key factor here as to how the Pantsir was not operating is:

    1) it's transportation mode - meaning guns aren't elevated and sitting idle
    2) radar was not spinning. The radar on these things spin rather fast. It was idle.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri May 11, 2018 2:15 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Militarov wrote:Seems real, video was posted by IDF.

    me wonders Iran/Syria/Hezbollah always have their asses kicked by air-force (either US or Israeli) so why Iran is not trying to develop AAD complexes? like behind doors Russia/China help? Industrial espionage?
    At level of BUK-2,  or Belorussian OSA modifications?

    They are making AD systems they just aren't providing Syria any of them.

    They expect the SAA to cover them from Isreali's air attack, which frankly is stupid on Iranian's part.

    If you want better coverage deploy your own AD with the Syrian AD, rather then ask Russia to constantly supply the SAA with systems.

    It's not Russia's job to protect iran in Syria they have more than the capability to do it themselves.
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    Post  Vann7 Fri May 11, 2018 2:47 am

    Militarov wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    Mindless_drone wrote:Russia can’t fix stupid. Dude.

    It's clearly Russia's fault.
    No Russian EW and no Moldovan working ladies to polish SAA/AD 'social skills' during their relaxed chat next to the Pantsir.

    That looked like a small drone. That's weired it didn't get jamed at that distance. I don't think that happened on the border but far from it. So Russians didn't use jaming. That's unusual.

    The resolution is quite bad also if this is a real footage. In a city with building I don't think they could find targets.

    Seems real, video was posted by IDF.
    '

    and thats more than enough reason to triple check the information.
    The zioIsraelis are pathological liars... for years since 2009 ,they claiming IRAN have nukes.. or "very soon"
    And whenever they bomb Syria Air defenses . they claim it was a "Stopping a missile shipment" to hezbolah.
    and they claim to be the victims ,when were bombing Syria day and night.. that it was "self defense".

    So all said.. anything claimed by Israel have to be triple checked , and backed by evidence..
    However Sputnik posted the video.. so that alone give more credit...  But usually Israel government and its military
    is pure propaganda .. They never admit planes shotdown , when Syria says they did it.. instead blame it on mechanical " problems".  They only admit one F-16 shot down.. because it crashed in day light and many civilians took videos..
    but in reality there are several planes losses.. in years.. in the last incident alone of F-16 crash they lost not one
    but also F-15s troo.. two od them.. and 1 drone and an helicopter too.. the ones that crash over Jordan or mediterranean sea.. they hide. to keep a false image of their military of invulnerability.
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    Post  par far Fri May 11, 2018 5:29 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Militarov wrote:Seems real, video was posted by IDF.

    me wonders Iran/Syria/Hezbollah always have their asses kicked by air-force (either US or Israeli) so why Iran is not trying to develop AAD complexes? like behind doors Russia/China help? Industrial espionage?
    At level of BUK-2,  or Belorussian OSA modifications?

    They are making AD systems they just aren't providing Syria any of them.

    They expect the SAA to cover them from Isreali's air attack, which frankly is stupid on Iranian's part.

    If you want better coverage deploy your own AD with the Syrian AD, rather then ask Russia to constantly supply the SAA with systems.

    It's not Russia's job to protect iran in Syria they have more than the capability to do it themselves.

    Hey Seig, how good are the Iranian AD systems? Please be unbiased here.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri May 11, 2018 5:48 am

    par far wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Militarov wrote:Seems real, video was posted by IDF.

    me wonders Iran/Syria/Hezbollah always have their asses kicked by air-force (either US or Israeli) so why Iran is not trying to develop AAD complexes? like behind doors Russia/China help? Industrial espionage?
    At level of BUK-2,  or Belorussian OSA modifications?

    They are making AD systems they just aren't providing Syria any of them.

    They expect the SAA to cover them from Isreali's air attack, which frankly is stupid on Iranian's part.

    If you want better coverage deploy your own AD with the Syrian AD, rather then ask Russia to constantly supply the SAA with systems.

    It's not Russia's job to protect iran in Syria they have more than the capability to do it themselves.

    Hey Seig, how good are the Iranian AD systems? Please be  unbiased here.

    Good enough to down Isreali's missile, if the right circumstances are met, the operators are good enough they could probably down a jet or two now and then.

    Iran has been making systems based off the S-300's russia gave em. with some short, medium and long-range systems.

    Since 2013 they have produced 100ish Talaash's for example.

    Iran is just not giving the systems out.


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    Post  KiloGolf Fri May 11, 2018 5:48 am

    par far wrote:Hey Seig, how good are the Iranian AD systems? Please be  unbiased here.

    Tor-M1 is pretty frickin good. But the mullah's don't seem to be willing to deploy them.
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    Post  Isos Fri May 11, 2018 7:28 am

    Iran has been making systems based off the S-300's russia gave em. with some short, medium and long-range systems.

    They were making them because russia wasn't givig them the s-300. It's not a real copy as they didn't receive the original for retro ingineering. I wouldn't trust their AD systems.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri May 11, 2018 7:30 am

    I said BASED you wanna look up what the word means?.

    Their newer AD is also better than those 30-year-old soviet systems Syria has.

    It will do the job it's needed to do.

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