Syrian War: News #17

@lycantrop

I was thinking that more attacks against Syria will come , during world cup . Since people's attention will be elsewhere . So on this I agree with you . But on Russia , I can say that , they have own national interests . The world to them looks very different from the cold north looking down . We must understand their viewpoint and respect it . And they must understand and respect our viewpoint . I can say that our stance in Syria is not identical with theirs . They are more comfortable with a partitioned Syria . And having a military base in the Med sea . But for regional countries , an independent Kurdistan is far more problematic . Regional countries will then have to formulate their own plan to unify Syria and defend international borders .

In this respect , Iraq is weak and Turkey is confused and Syria is broken and Iran is alone . And Russia is happy in the east and Yanks happy in the west of Syria . The solution will not come quickly or easily . Until Iraq becomes strong and Turkey finds it's way and Iran finds new allies and Syria unites somewhat .

I still think that Syrians can be the ones to defend against Usraeli attacks . And they can also counter attack . Without Russians or Iranians or Lebanese directly coming into war . We can help organise the Syrians and give them the means to retaliate . Like a factory for making missiles .

Big_Gazza wrote:PD, you are being less than honest...  You are no doubt well aware that 2006 was notable as the first instance where Israel launched large scale aggression (ie totally disproportional response) against a neighboring state and FAILED to win.  Israel attempted to re-establish a buffer zone as from the SLA days, yet Hezbollah resistance PREVENTED the Zios from achieving their goals, and forced the IDF to withdraw due to mounting losses and inability to advance in the face of stiff resistance.  Its been 12 years, and the Zios have not attempted a repeat, despite their clear desire to destroy Hezbollah and reassert control over southern Lebanon.

Before the 2006 war:
a. Syria kicked out in 2005, No naval UNIFIL mission (unrestricted weapons low via sea), HzB deployed along Israel's northern border.

Today:
b. Syria still kicked out and militarily trashed, Naval UNIFIL mission (controlling arms/weapons flow in Lebanon), HzB kicked out of Israel border (LAF took over).

Israel won that war and others carried out the mission of establishing a buffer zone (first UNIFIL, then/now LAF).
Israel would be stupid to not accept it.

lycantrop wrote:https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/994216969426661379

I learned from decision makers in #Syria that #Russia is putting pressure on the Syrian leadership to refrain from responding to #Israel attacks. #Damascus wants to respond to Israeli violations but Russia believes "it is not the time to escalate and fall into the Israeli goal".

Russia is right. Syria better not mess this up.

par far wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

lycantrop wrote:https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/994216969426661379

I learned from decision makers in #Syria that #Russia is putting pressure on the Syrian leadership to refrain from responding to #Israel attacks. #Damascus wants to respond to Israeli violations but Russia believes "it is not the time to escalate and fall into the Israeli goal".

Russia is right. Syria better not mess this up.

Syria has not responded to the Zionists and fallen in their trap for 7 years, what makes you think they will now?  

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lycantrop wrote:.......
Haha, oh yeah, dear Putin, as long as they kill Syrians/Iranians....

So are Syrian Iranians or Syrians? Maybe they should figure that little existential conundrum first before dealing with heavy topics....

lycantrop wrote:.......there is no problem with "not responding" to Israel attacks...

They are free to respond as much as they like but then they shouldn't come whining when reality hits

lycantrop wrote:.......Curious what his opinion would be if instead Russians would be killed in Israeli strikes, right dear Putin?...

Very different and plentiful because it would be Russians

lycantrop wrote:.......As long as no russian blood is flowing we should accept it......

Finally, some neural activity. Syria is not Russia and Iran especially is not Russia.

Now had Iranians and Syrians been more cooperative before their asses landed in the fire maybe there would some cause for flexibility otherwise, meh....

lycantrop wrote:......Every country has its right for selfe defence!....

Damn straight!!! Go for it!!!

lycantrop wrote:.....Putins hesitation to answer properly to Israel illegal attacks against a sovereign country is the reason this attacks will not stop!....

Unless that sovereign country happens to be called Russia he doesn't have to do jack shit.

lycantrop wrote:...Iran learned it already the hard way, you cannot trust Russia.....

*cough* Airbus/Boeing *cough*

KiloGolf wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:PD, you are being less than honest...  You are no doubt well aware that 2006 was notable as the first instance where Israel launched large scale aggression (ie totally disproportional response) against a neighboring state and FAILED to win.  Israel attempted to re-establish a buffer zone as from the SLA days, yet Hezbollah resistance PREVENTED the Zios from achieving their goals, and forced the IDF to withdraw due to mounting losses and inability to advance in the face of stiff resistance.  Its been 12 years, and the Zios have not attempted a repeat, despite their clear desire to destroy Hezbollah and reassert control over southern Lebanon.

Before the 2006 war:
a. Syria kicked out in 2005, No naval UNIFIL mission (unrestricted weapons low via sea), HzB deployed along Israel's northern border.

Today:
b. Syria still kicked out and militarily trashed, Naval UNIFIL mission (controlling arms/weapons flow in Lebanon), HzB kicked out of Israel border (LAF took over).

Israel won that war and others carried out the mission of establishing a buffer zone (first UNIFIL, then/now LAF).
Israel would be stupid to not accept it.

Sure buddy, say whatever you need to in the mirror each morning if it helps you deal with Zionistans FAILURE in 2006. I find it very amusing that you need to cling to UNIFIL to fuel your denials....

lycantrop wrote:...............

its very hard to take sb. seriously who doesnt have a clue what happened in 2006
or maybe you just ignore the reality, because your israeli friends get slapped seriously
your israeli freinds want war against Iran, yet they get bitchslapped 12 years ago against a guerilla group, 10 times smaller with no merkava tanks or air superiority.
Grow some balls and try to attack Iran directly in Iran, oh wait....you dont fight against real man, you have to run to daddy USA and whine how antisemitic they are.

Seriously dude just go for it.

You and Israelis should get everything you have and just go balls-in pedal to the metal apeshit on each other.

Israelis keep putting Iranians in the body-bags on a daily basis lately but all Iranians do is whine about how Russia is not doing their job for them.

It's like those Kurdish clowns all over again once Turks throttled them up.

Grow a pair of balls and do the dirty work for yourselves. Just make sure that you pick a spot that does not affect Russia. As for rest of it, nobody gives a shit.

Big_Gazza wrote:Sure buddy, say whatever you need to in the mirror each morning if it helps you deal with Zionistans FAILURE in 2006.  I find it very amusing that you need to cling to UNIFIL to fuel your denials....

Why would Israel bother to occupy and suffer huge PR damage, when the international community offered to sustain their 1990s security belt+ sea denial?
HzB is not there anymore and their 2000 - 2006 games have now ended. LAF and UNIFIL are keeping HzB military deployments away from Israel, for Lebanon's sake.

lycantrop wrote:https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/994216969426661379

I learned from decision makers in #Syria that #Russia is putting pressure on the Syrian leadership to refrain from responding to #Israel attacks. #Damascus wants to respond to Israeli violations but Russia believes "it is not the time to escalate and fall into the Israeli goal".


Haha, oh yeah, dear Putin, as long as they kill Syrians/Iranians... there is no problem with "not responding" to Israel attacks.
Curious what his opinion would be if instead Russians would be killed in Israeli strikes, right dear Putin?
As long as no russian blood is flowing we should accept it...

Every country has its right for selfe defence!
Putins hesitation to answer properly to Israel illegal attacks against a sovereign country is the reason this attacks will not stop!

Putin, we will never forget how you sold Libya to your jewish friends.
Putin, we will never forget how you delayed the S-300 deal for 10 years as Iran needed it desperately!
Putin, we will never forget how you stopped the S-300 & Yak-130 deal to Syria, because your jewish friends told you to do so.
Putin, we will never forget how you handed over Syrian Air defence BUK-codes to your zionist masters, so they can continue the killing and destroying
Iran learned it already the hard way, you cannot trust Russia.

The only chance to wake up Putin from his illusion is that something big will happen against russians.
Be it during Fifa 2018 or whatever, i hope his "partners" will f.. him up properly up, because thats the only chance he will maybe wake up..

Refrain from responding , only means not targeting Israel mainland.. but hostile Israeli planes inside Syria or targeting
Syria are a fair target... Notice how Russia is the main supplier of S-200vega to Syria ,to shot down Israel and NATO planes..  Russia have its own interest too..  is not Russia role to be the Police of the world..even less for Lybia a fanatical muslin country which Russian society does not support sacrificing Russian lives for them.. .Main responsibility of Russia is the 140millions Russian citizens. Sending Russian troops to a place ,Russian citizens does not feel sympathy to the point of sacrifice their lives is a serious mistake. Syria is different ,is a secular nation and was allied to Russia for decades. and Russia help there is limited.. If it was Serbia or Armenia both Christian countries and both with very close ties to Russia , in those conflicts Russia government could send more support.. including a full scale army whenever is possible. Still Russia government can't sent a full scale army there ,for economic reasons ,aside the battlefield of Syria is not the ideal place for Russia deploy massive force ,since is surrounded by Enemies..Part of the job of a Good commander is to to know which fights to pick ,when and where.  The fact that Russia is in Syria even with a small airforce is a phenomenon on its own. not many major powers will do such a risk ,that is to go to a fight against 150,000 ISIS like terrorist in a country being surrounded by well organized PRO NATO Enemies .

and what Buk codes you are talking about? never heard any ridiculous thing like that.. Israel planes are being hit
left and right..since 2011 by Russian provided missiles to Syria.. they have lost at least 10 planes and 1 submarine and 1 patrol jeep and many dozens of drones  to Syrian fire ,since the conflict began.What happens is Israel always claim
a "mechanical defect" ,forced the pilot to eject from their planes..and they fly their planes outside Syria territory so if they crash ,they can hide they lost. This is not mentioning hundreds of Israeli special forces /intelligence officers killed by Russian airforce in Liberation of Aleppo and in Damascus ghouta.
Remember the F-35 plane damaged by a bird? that israel was testing in Syria to see if it is "Stealthy"
yes it was a Russian exotic bird that fly like a missile literary..provided by Russian defense ministry.. LOL  

Russia policy in syria is fine.. what is not fine is the very slow re-active approach of the military ,that expect first to lose soldiers and pilots to later take measures of security.. like providing electronic warfare to mi-8 helicopters and to SU-25 , only after they were shot down by manpads first.. but no idea if they actually work.. anymore after the Ka-52 "accident". who are supposed to have President -S.

Isos wrote:Again. Israel is striking Damascus.


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#UPDATE: Reports Syrian Air Defences are intercepting targets above Damascus right now Via @QuarterToAli_

Must be kosher strikes on Iranians/HzB.
Meanwhile in Moscow:

Big_Gazza wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:So basically it took Israel all on it's own 1 month to do to do same thing to Lebanon that took entire NATO 3 months to do to us?

Hmm...  I think you've taken leave of your senses...  

It comes from long ago.

https://www.russiadefence.net/t5587p675-syrian-civil-war-news-12#193372

Papadragon wrote:So when those "forces of sanity" get roasted by Uncle Sam I will crack open another soda and enjoy the show.

I enjoyed Afghan war, I enjoyed Iraq war, I enjoyed Libyan war, I enjoy Syria quite a lot and in will definitely enjoy when Iran gets bled like a big juicy pig.

And so much more to come. But I thought that I will have to wait several decades before karma kicks in. Instead it was instant. Good times.

https://www.russiadefence.net/t5587p650-syrian-civil-war-news-12#193297

Papadragon wrote:This is Iranian back yard and they are the ones who should be doing heavy lifting here. Instead they sit with their thumbs up their asses and expect to just swoop in once everything is over and assert influence.

Those assholes even want to setup naval base between Tartus and Latakia. They think it will keep them safe from Israel. Hopefully Russia will give IAF [Israel Air Force] all clear signal to level those dicks at first available opportunity.

Honestly I can't wait for USA to storm into Iran and turn that rat's nest into another Somalia/Iraq/Yemen.

Two words to define this behaviour would be:

Warmonger Zionism

There are some amounts of it here.

But Russia is smarter than this. Also Iran.

par far wrote:..............Iran has never whined about "Russia not doing their job", nothing came from the Iranian government or the Iranian military.....

Excellent!

Now if only their online cheerleaders would follow their shiny example everything would be peachy

Isos wrote:Again. Israel is striking Damascus.

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#UPDATE: Reports Syrian Air Defences are intercepting targets above Damascus right now Via @QuarterToAli_

And Israel is mobilizing army on Golan. Tanks, MLRS, missiles ...

https://mobile.twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/994238011603898374

Iran's now got them right where they want them.

They should get aircraft in the air...from Iran

They should send UAVs...from Iran

They should launch missiles... from Iran

If you they it so badly then they should just do it already. Stop talking about it like little bitches, man up and finally do what you have been ranting about for half a century.

But do it like men instead of like little cunts.

eehnie wrote:...............

Papadragon wrote:This is Iranian back yard and they are the ones who should be doing heavy lifting here. Instead they sit with their thumbs up their asses and expect to just swoop in once everything is over and assert influence.

Those assholes even want to setup naval base between Tartus and Latakia. They think it will keep them safe from Israel. Hopefully Russia will give IAF [Israel Air Force] all clear signal to level those dicks at first available opportunity.

Honestly I can't wait for USA to storm into Iran and turn that rat's nest into another Somalia/Iraq/Yemen.

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Oh, will you look at this

Isos wrote:Again. Israel is striking Damascus.


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#UPDATE: Reports Syrian Air Defences are intercepting targets above Damascus right now Via @QuarterToAli_

And Israel is mobilizing army on Golan. Tanks, MLRS, missiles ...

https://mobile.twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/994238011603898374

I guess wishes do come true. Must be Christmas  

KiloGolf wrote:....

Must be kosher strikes on Iranians/HzB.
Meanwhile in Moscow:

PapaDragon wrote:I guess wishes do come true. Must be Christmas  

Not so fast.
The IDF has been defeated in Lebanon and severely weakened. They're one Merkava less since 2006.



The replacement is that 2nd in line, poor cpt. David and crew in an M113A2

KiloGolf wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:I guess wishes do come true. Must be Christmas  

Not so fast.
The IDF has been defeated in Lebanon and severely weakened. They're one Merkava less since 2006.
.........

Oh yes. They need to replace it.

They should lay down new Merkava hull and complete construction in 20 years before doing anything...

PapaDragon wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:I guess wishes do come true. Must be Christmas  

Not so fast.
The IDF has been defeated in Lebanon and severely weakened. They're one Merkava less since 2006.
.........

Oh yes. They need to replace it.

They should lay down new Merkava hull and complete construction in 20 years before doing anything...

They'll have to settle with one Merkava less, it's risky stuff. I doubt those remaining, few, 1,199 will get the job done.

KiloGolf wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:I guess wishes do come true. Must be Christmas  

Not so fast.
The IDF has been defeated in Lebanon and severely weakened. They're one Merkava less since 2006.

Not just one....

part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bIt2eblH88

part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R5mBAfyYNo

Israel army was not defeated.. but they got many soldiers killed hundreds of them...and many Dozens of tanks
destroyed and dozens disabled.. No idea why is surprising this for anyone a Kornet missile with 1,000mm after ERA penetration will destroy any world tank.. if attacked from the sides or rear.. a no tank armor in the world can survive
a kornet hit in the right place... only way today to counter it , is with active defenses.. but those can be countered by overwhelming them .. or with artillery or simply road side bombs. US lost more than 5,000 soldiers after Bush declared mission accomplished and captured bagdad.. Vast majority of US casualties came , from low level insurgency ,
road side bombs snipers and surprise attacks in their captured positions.

Vann7 wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:I guess wishes do come true. Must be Christmas  

Not so fast.
The IDF has been defeated in Lebanon and severely weakened. They're one Merkava less since 2006.

Not just one....

part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bIt2eblH88

part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R5mBAfyYNo

They recovered and rebuilt all but one actually.

They recovered and rebuilt all but one actually.

This is meaningless what you say... If you hit a tank and kill all its crew and destroy the engine and destroy
all its electronics and computer.. you can still repair the tank in most cases if most of the armor still standing.
This is no different to Syrian T-72's.. vast majority of them are repaired even after tanks destroyed.

In Israel case the repairs are very expensive ,since they have the Engine in the front... so engine is nearly
always hit.. good thing only is that crew will survive most times.. But economically speaking a soldier is easy to replace while a tank to replace cost a lot of money.

So if crew killed and or tank completely disable and takes months to repair it will still count as destruction..
most tanks can be repaired unless it completely explode in pieces and that is rare.. to happen.. unless
the ammo inside all explode.

Israel lost more than 50 tanks  ..between disable tanks and Destroyed. You will see in the video
Israeli tanks with its turret totally destroyed.. LOL..   means it will need a completely new turret
and a very expensive repair.also Abraham tanks too from US inventory tested and did not survived a kornet
hit.. SO Hezbolah achieved its objectives in Pushing Israel army away from Lebanon
and Humiliating them.. their loses were not acceptable.  Losing a hundred of soldiers in one month
a corvette ,dozens of tanks and their main economic city , paralized and bombed on a daily base.. is
unaceptable for Israel. THis is why Israel have been very cautious in invading Lebanon again.. they know
the economic damages and soldiers loses could be several times higher now.. with a much better armed and trainned hezbolah..

This is Israel fear.. they know hezbolah don't have the power to defeat their army..but they also Know
Hezbolah can make it very economically painful for them.. for any other invasion of Lebanon.. with unacceptable numbers of casualties.. they lost a corvette,,and repairing it was not cheap and hezbola missiles today have better precision can hit any part of Israel..a major economic zone or tourism. Can Israel air defenses intercept it >? yes
But those missiles cost a lot of money.. can hezbolah with help of IRAN overwhelm Israel defenses? yes too.. so it will be a lose for Israel , it will be a costly war..if Israel is forced to use half of their inventory interceptors that cost a close to a million dollar each to intercept thousands of cheap missiles. if israel invades Syria it will be even a more expensive war.. unless US choose to join Israel ..but that will mean a war with Russia. so it will be an expensive
war for Israel and with an almost guarantee retreat if they invade Syria or Lebanon.. Russia will not allow it..and will continue arming Syria to make it very expensive any Israel adventure. This is same reason ,why Russia don't invade
Ukraine.. even when Russia can defeat ukraine army.. easily , they know , NATO can make it very expensive the victory..to the point of Russia regretting being there. So is all about Economy.. Israel fears more the economic impact but also a too high loses in soldiers.. if invade Lebanon again.. or if Invade Syria... it will be guarantee defeat.. for Israel.. since Israel airforce alone is not enough to earn absolute control over Syria..  Syria is already mostly destroyed it cities ,repairs estimates are about $300 billions.., while Israel cities are shiny clean new and untouched
by war..... so Israel is the one with a LOT more to lose if invade Lebanon and Syria.  Hezbolah ,Syria and IRAN knows were to hit  Israel ,to make it very expensive for them.. so to make Israel have second thoughts on a major war with them.  if Israel invades Syria.. IRAN.Hezbola and Syria can launch 70,000 missiles at Israel..economic zones.. Israel don't have so many military assets to intercept so many missiles. So Israel have a lot more to lose than the place they invade... not mentioning they will be unable to hold for long any ground position.. Israel ground forces army is the weakest part of their military. could not hold 1 month in lebanon just fighting 15,000 hezbolah soldiers fighting alone.. Russia had to fight 150,000 terrorist for years in Syria armed,trained and provided intelligence and direct support by NATO with a limited force and is holding. So Israeli ground forces are the weakest part of their army. is small and their arrogance ,does not helps them to deal with many casualties.. they will break as soon see many soldiers dying and that they are not as invincible as their Government claimed.

Vann7 wrote:This is meaningless what you say... If you hit a tank and kill all its crew and destroy the engine and destroy
all its electronics and computer.. you can still repair the tank in most cases if most of the armor still standing.
This is no different to Syrian T-72's.. vast majority of them are repaired even after tanks destroyed.

So if crew killed and or tank completely disable and takes months to repair it will still count as destruction..
most tanks can be repaired unless it completely explode in pieces and that is rare.. to happen.. unless
the ammo inside all explode.

You're describing a string of events that occured at variable levels of intensity, to less than 20 AFVs on the IDF side.

There's an example of a Merk IV mobility loss, which after IDF bombing (apparently HzB tried to snatch it) was left as an empty, yet intact, hull. It was pulled out, almost a month after beginning of hostilities and with it they built a whole new Merk.

Syria does the same to their T-series, sure. I was never an ATGM "OMG this tank is destroyed" video fanboy. Everything, once recovered can be rebuilt.