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    Syrian War: News #17

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    Post  Isos Tue May 08, 2018 7:57 pm



    https://sputniknews.com/news/201805081064266076-massive-explosions-military-base-syria/
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue May 08, 2018 8:00 pm

    Isos wrote:...........
    He is talking about Israel vs Hezbollah in 2006 when they destroyed lot of Merkavas.

    Thanks.

    Anything in the Middle East before 2015 is pretty obscure stuff for 95% of folks here.
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    Post  Isos Tue May 08, 2018 8:44 pm

    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201805081064266076-massive-explosions-military-base-syria/

    Well I was right. Israel attacked Syria.
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    Post  Vann7 Tue May 08, 2018 8:53 pm

    Isos wrote:ELINT News
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    #BREAKING: Massive military aerial activity across Northern Israel right now


    If Iran doesn't attack today or tmr, you can be sure Israel will hit them again. They want a response from Iran to attack them with the stupid Trump.

    THis had to do with the fact.. that Russia and Syria airforces in a joined operation  bombed new Communications and Electronic warfare a secret israeli military base that Israel have been building in the city of Daraa next to the border with Golan heights which Israel controls..  So this are new developments now happening in Syria.. With Russia airforce targeting Israel backed Terrorist and for sure ,Israeli technicians had to be present there to setup a complex communication /electronic warfare system than terrorist that barely can speak ,will understand.  Make no mistake..
    This is the first time reported at least this year? ,that Russia bombs right next to israel positions in golan heights
    and bomb military assets that Israel was building and very likely had Israeli technicians and intelligence officials there  operating. and this happen the very moment Netanyahu was in visit to Russia? to try to convince Putin to allow them to freely move in Syria.

    This also happens just a day after a Russian Ka-52 was mysteriously crashed near IRAQ and few days and
    than a SU-30 also mysteriously crashed too..  So if this an indication of a major increase of tensions and proxy
    warfare between Russia and Israel. ??  Are this bombings of a very likely Israel military base in Syrian border ,
    combined with Netanyahu visit to Moscow a signal of Russia tougher stance against Israel ??

    Whatever is the case.. Clearly now this should be seen as a new line draw by Russia in Syria..no longer
    southern Syrian deconfliction zones unilaterally setup by US and ISrael will be safe zones and Russia is telling
    US and ISrael that will bomb there too..and that needs to retreat.. from there.


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    The joint #Russia/n #Syria/n air strikes which targeted new communication/jamming systems installed by the #Israel/i backed militias in Tal Al Harah west #Daraa Countryside.


    video of Russia bombing Israel/US communications and EW military assets deployed in Southern Syria
    likely operated by Israel intelligence technicians..The base under control of US/Israel backed jihadist and
    is close to Syria border to Golan heights. Netanyahu will be very angry about this..  Very Happy



    https://twitter.com/WaelAlRussi/status/993886055878283270

    This is perhaps the full freedom Netanyahu claimed it had with Putin.. they can freely deploy any military asset in
    Syria they want.. and Russia can freely bomb it..  lol1

    In my opinion this is good news.. Russia is not backing down in the defense of Syria and is a clear
    message to US and ISRAEL that deploying military bases in Southern Syria will not be tolerated. and that
    any military assets they deploy in Daraa in Syria south border ,controlled by US and Israel backed jihadist
    will not be allowed.


    2-3 hours after that.. Israel attack on southern Syria began..


    @WaelAlRussi
    46m46 minutes ago
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    Aftermath:
    3 missiles of 5 were downed by the #Syria/n AD systems
    #Israel attacked with heavy jamming against the Syrian defenses.
    Casualties were reported.


    conclusion....
    The latest not very well organized attack of Israel on South of Syria is a direct response against Russia and Syria for bombing their rebels terrorist base and bombing their military advanced assets they deployed there.. So Russia destroyed expensive military assets of Israel and Israel bomb back at Iranian positions... Indeed this looks like a new chapter of low level fighting between Russia and Israel...  3 of 5 missiles intercepted.  So in summary we saw today in Syria a skirmish fight between Russia Syria and IRAN vs Israel.  Russia hit Israeli secret positions in Southern Syria and Israel hit Iranian positions back. The important question is .. if this new new policies of Russia in Syria (bombing Israel illegal military assets deployed in Syria Daraa) that terrorist had no way to build or operate and only Israeli hired trained technicians could is connected.  Russia lost 2 aircraft and 2-3 days later Russia start bombing Israel assets in Syria.. mmm..

    This should be the reason why Neyanyahu hysteria about new movements of "iranian troops" and what Netanyahu called very dangerous equipment.    This also could have been a perfect scenario for a false flag too..  as an example .. a civilian airliner in Israel, could be attacked by electronic warfare from Daraa that Russia bombed ,and later the e/w attack blamed on IRAN. And since Israel and US rebels controls the base ,they could control
    the evidence too ,to frame IRAN ,for any electronic attack on a civilian airliner in Israel. that crash a plane. just like
    the MH17 incident in Ukraine , the plane that crashed that was another false flag and Russia backed forces was blamed by NATO for it..


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    Post  par far Tue May 08, 2018 9:28 pm

    Isos wrote:ELINT News
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    #BREAKING: Massive military aerial activity across Northern Israel right now


    If Iran doesn't attack today or tmr, you can be sure Israel will hit them again. They want a response from Iran to attack them with the stupid Trump.

    You are right they want a response from Iran, they won't directly attack Iran but they will attack in Syria.

    The stupidest thing Iran can do is give them a response, Iran is winning in Syria and Iraq, Iranian influence is growing, Iran is getting lots of investments because of sanctions relief, Iran also has a chance to draw a wedge between the US and the EU(the US is pulling out of the nuclear deal, there are reports that the EU will not pull out of the deal), Russia and China won't pull out of the deal, meaning that Iran will be pushed more towards Russia and China(which can mean the end of the petrodollar.)

    Israel is doing his from a point of weakness not strength, the greater Israel project has been derailed, the petrodollar is slowly dying(which Israel depends on), the US is losing influence in the Middle East, so the worst thing that Iran can do is give them a response.

    The Zionists are not scared of nuclear weapons but they are scared of Russia and/or Iran uniting the Muslim world.
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    Post  crod Tue May 08, 2018 9:51 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    lycantrop wrote:..........
    still butthurt because your buddies get slapped in 2006?

    What happened in 2006? There wasn't even European Basketball Championship then and there sure as shit wasn't any war here. I should know because that was year when I served.

    Lmao, general pappas armchair clearly cannot recline far enough to 2006.

    And wtf do you know about what the iranians are doing on the ground. Stfu with your bs please. Youre not on the ground....
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    Post  KiloGolf Tue May 08, 2018 9:53 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:...........
    He is talking about Israel vs Hezbollah in 2006 when they destroyed lot of Merkavas.

    Thanks.

    Anything in the Middle East before 2015 is pretty obscure stuff for 95% of folks here.

    If 2006 is contest of destruction, Lebanon was thoroughly trashed and their Economy was set back by a good decade. So I'm not sure if all that was worth it for destroying a Merkava, 2 APCs and posting a youtube video of kidnapping 2 soldiers out of 175,000 active IDF. Suspect

    hint: it wasn't worth it.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Tue May 08, 2018 10:04 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:...........
    He is talking about Israel vs Hezbollah in 2006 when they destroyed lot of Merkavas.

    Thanks.

    Anything in the Middle East before 2015 is pretty obscure stuff for 95% of folks here.

    If 2006 is contest of destruction, Lebanon was thoroughly trashed and their Economy was set back by a good decade. So I'm not sure if all that was worth it for destructing a tank, 2 APCs and a youtube video of kidnapping 2 soldiers out of 175,000 active IDF. Suspect

    hint: it wasn't worth it.

    Hmm, yet they politically control Lebanon now. The Long game isn't always about "money". With the Syrian campaign, Hizb, is litterally a full fledged army now.

    Israel can hit at will because it has a get out of jail card for free, the destruction they sow in the middle east is gratuitous. It is how they justify the means to their existence.
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    Post  Guest Tue May 08, 2018 10:31 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:...........
    He is talking about Israel vs Hezbollah in 2006 when they destroyed lot of Merkavas.

    Thanks.

    Anything in the Middle East before 2015 is pretty obscure stuff for 95% of folks here.

    If 2006 is contest of destruction, Lebanon was thoroughly trashed and their Economy was set back by a good decade. So I'm not sure if all that was worth it for destroying a Merkava, 2 APCs and posting a youtube video of kidnapping 2 soldiers out of 175,000 active IDF. Suspect

    hint: it wasn't worth it.

    Now they will call you troll too. How do you dare saying such thing, like duh, Serbs won in 1999. too, we shot down F-117A that...got us...well... nothing. But we have nice item in airforce museum...


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    Post  Vann7 Tue May 08, 2018 10:48 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:...........
    He is talking about Israel vs Hezbollah in 2006 when they destroyed lot of Merkavas.

    Thanks.

    Anything in the Middle East before 2015 is pretty obscure stuff for 95% of folks here.

    If 2006 is contest of destruction, Lebanon was thoroughly trashed and their Economy was set back by a good decade. So I'm not sure if all that was worth it for destroying a Merkava, 2 APCs and posting a youtube video of kidnapping 2 soldiers out of 175,000 active IDF. Suspect

    hint: it wasn't worth it.

    hezbolah destroyed an Israeli navy corvette with a chinnese torpedo ..you forgot that?
    and they also killed a and wounded a couple of hundred of Israeli Soldiers...
    and destroyed /damaged several dozens of Merkava supposedly invincible tanks..
    Israel tourism and infrastructure in one major important economic city was also paralized for 1 month ,which is a lot..
    and this was done by a paramilitary force that had no airforce ,no navy and no tanks..

    The most important thing of all.. is that After israel invaded Lebanon...
    None of the objectives they wanted were achieved..
    1)they wanted to destroy hezbolah... and obviously you know this did not happened.
    2)they wanted to rescue their kidnapped soldiers back.. and did not achieved this either..

    In the end israel had to accept a major humiliation in Lebanon..because even though its army
    was not defeated in any way.. but it was embarrassed at the same time ,forcing Israel to negotiate
    with Hezbolah for the release of their soldiers..in change for their retreat.

    So Hezbolah achieved most of it objectives.. albeit only a symbolical PR victory..
    and Israel achieved almost nothing other than make it very expensive the war for Hezbolah for the infrastructure
    and economy loses.. ...So did not weakened Hezbolah . it only helped them to become more popular.
    for the small victories they achieved. if the goals of Israel was the destruction of Hezbolah.. then everyone knows
    this objective totally failed...if the goal was to punish them.. and make them think twice for provoking a fight
    then this they achieved..  fast forward in time.. today hezbolah is much better armed and prepared to
    fight even in modern battlefields with drones and electronic warfare. it will be much harder force to fight.
    So this is a case of Israel policies backfiring.. They are training its enemies and also Russia ,how they fight.
    This will not make Israel safer at all .. but its military more vulnerable ,once IRAN and Syria full know everything
    to know about Israel military capabilities and limitations.. This will also train better Russia how to prepare for any confrontation with NATO. Now Syria is intercepting most israel missiles attacks on Syria.. in the not distant future ,Syria will be intercepting most of israeli planes with the improvement of the tactics.. will refine their aim.


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Tue May 08, 2018 11:14 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    hezbolah destroyed an Israeli navy corvette with a chinnese torpedo ..you forgot that?

    C-802 is an AShM, INS Hanit returned to line after 3 weeks of repairment according to Israelis.


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    Post  PapaDragon Tue May 08, 2018 11:27 pm

    crod wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    lycantrop wrote:..........
    still butthurt because your buddies get slapped in 2006?

    What happened in 2006? There wasn't even European Basketball Championship then and there sure as shit wasn't any war here. I should know because that was year when I served.

    Lmao, general pappas armchair clearly cannot recline far enough to 2006.

    And wtf do you know about what the iranians are doing on the ground. Stfu with your bs please. Youre not on the ground....

    Googled it. So basically it took Israel all on it's own 1 month to do to do same thing to Lebanon that took entire NATO 3 months to do to us?

    And all they lost were couple of tanks? Nice thumbsup

    Damn, this chair really reclines quite comfortably​... Razz

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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed May 09, 2018 12:09 am

    PD, you are being less than honest... You are no doubt well aware that 2006 was notable as the first instance where Israel launched large scale aggression (ie totally disproportional response) against a neighboring state and FAILED to win. Israel attempted to re-establish a buffer zone as from the SLA days, yet Hezbollah resistance PREVENTED the Zios from achieving their goals, and forced the IDF to withdraw due to mounting losses and inability to advance in the face of stiff resistance. Its been 12 years, and the Zios have not attempted a repeat, despite their clear desire to destroy Hezbollah and reassert control over southern Lebanon.

    You can attempt to trivialize this failure of the "undefeatable" Chosenites by drawing up pointless tallies of casualties and damage inflicted, but the truth remains that Hezbollah WON. The IDF failed, and were forced to withdraw. War is not a team sport where the winner is the guy who gets the most goals in a fixed duration competition. Hezbollah remained in control of their territories, won the respect of their people, of Lebanese in general, and the admiration of people all over the ME who were tired of Arab humiliations at the hands of the Zio. Hezbollah and allies are now victorious at the Lebanese elections, have helped turn the tide against Wahabbi/ZOG/Likud-backed regime-change terror gangs, and now have a military capability far in excess of 2006.

    Yep, any fair observer has to score this as a major defeat for the Zio. cheers
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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed May 09, 2018 12:16 am

    PapaDragon wrote:So basically it took Israel all on it's own 1 month to do to do same thing to Lebanon that took entire NATO 3 months to do to us?

    Hmm... I think you've taken leave of your senses...

    NATO seized Kosovo only after the Serbs agreed to a ceasefire (which NATO promptly refused to abide by and stood by while the UCK terrorist cunts proceeded to ethnically cleanse the province) and still to this day impose a de-facto military occupation...

    The IDF were given a bloody nose and promptly withdrew like the over-confident cowards they are, while the Lebanese celebrated and retained their national sovereignty...

    Not really the same, is it?
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed May 09, 2018 12:26 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:PD, you are being less than honest... You are no doubt well aware that 2006 was.....

    Dude, I honestly had no clue what they were doing to each other there or anything else that was happening before we saw first satellite photos of VKS in Latakia.

    We know that Jews and Arabs absolutely love killing each other and that they have been doing it decades before most of us were born.

    Entire Middle East is tertiary topic in these parts. Nobody cared. Barely anyone cares even now and those of us that do pay attention do it because VKS made the whole thing interesting for the first time ever.

    As far as I (or anyone else) is concerned Israel and Iran can start a war right now and go to town. As long as Russia is unaffected (we like them) and as long as they broadcasts whole thing live on TV we are cool with it.

    Happy hunting and have fun.
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    Post  Vann7 Wed May 09, 2018 12:37 am

    Some food for though...
    An interesting information ,found in another discussion forum.. that could explain a lot of the
    hostilities of NATO major powers and Israel to Syria and IRAN.  The entire middle east conflicts
    appears to be based about a deal between zioJews Billionaire Elites in the west that controls the banking sector ,with
    US and Major EU powers. For provoking the partitioning of Syria. Something that Israel could
    use to deport the Palestinians from Israel in southern Syria.  

    The next information explain how world war 1 and world war 2 was all planned and incited by
    a zionist international organization backed by the banking industry. basically they lobbied major financial support
    to US and UK for the economic isolation of Germany and the defeat of germany in world war 1.. in change for a piece of land in Middle East that today is known as "Israel" but that had nothing to do with the biblical one.  

    it just makes you wonder if there is a coincidence here ..that it is Zionist Jews in Israel ,US and UK the ones
    pushing for a world war 3 between NATO and Russia over Syria ?   Perhaps this is why Trump can't leave
    Syria ..there is a paid deal , a foreign US policy that was bough by the Zionist Lobbies, demanding US partitioning
    of Syria.. the war against IRAN could be another paid deal too by Israel lobbies ..but apparently with the Republicans only. The amount of money $$ they should have offer for this ,had to be astronomical high.. or it could be also a blackmail.. you either collapse Syria or else we ,with the help of the Federal Reserve will collapse the american economy. So the entire US economy could be at risk..in not honoring as deal with the Banking Elite. Is for nothing
    that is commonly said,that All wars are a banking wars..




    For strong evidence that the syrian war was planned way before it began.. look in youtube for Roland Dumas..
    the former Foreign minister of France ,spoke on TV ,saying he was invited to UK , around ~2005-2007 for a war they
    were planning in Syria.. to help them recruit mercenaries (ie..ISIS-FSA-Alnusra) to overthrow Assad. and the reason
    for this war was Because of Israel government wanted Syria destroyed for its opposition to Israel policies in M.E.


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    Post  flamming_python Wed May 09, 2018 12:38 am

    Russia should tell Israel in no uncertain terms this time - hands off Syria.

    If they want to bomb Iranians then they can go bomb Iran, or fight them in Lebanon, Iraq, whatever.

    Syria is not to be involved in any of this. Israel has been given too much leeway - the Israelis have taken out not only Iranian and Hezbollah targets in Syria but plenty of Syrians too.
    And now they want to wage battle with Iran in Syria. Can't be allowed.
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    Post  Vann7 Wed May 09, 2018 1:45 am

    About current developments in Syria and security of RUssia in next World cup in Russia..

    “They Won’t Let Us Have a Peaceful World Cup” - Russian Experts Believe West Is Waiting to Strike "



    This confirms ,what i was saying.. it was a huge mistake of Putin celebrating FIFA 2018
    in Russia , in times US ,ISRAEL and Russia are on the brink of a major hot war..  We are only
    One happy trigger American or Israel military pilot bombing Russians  in Syria ,or shutting down Russian
    planes for hell to explode in middle east.. No less than professionals troublemakers and terrorist hired by
    US ,UK and ISrael ,could be creating Chaos in Russia ,during FIFA event.. to damage Putin image for not securing
    Russia..  The only hopes i have ,is that Putin totally give up with promoting sports ,after he wake up
    that Russia is facing a real war and its enemies will only increase its hostilities against Russia. Not only
    in Syria but in Russia itself.  also hopes that multiple serial fires happening every day and more shopping malls burned ,not blamed on "Accidents" as many naive people always does.


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    Post  KoTeMoRe Wed May 09, 2018 2:11 am

    Militarov wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:...........
    He is talking about Israel vs Hezbollah in 2006 when they destroyed lot of Merkavas.

    Thanks.

    Anything in the Middle East before 2015 is pretty obscure stuff for 95% of folks here.

    If 2006 is contest of destruction, Lebanon was thoroughly trashed and their Economy was set back by a good decade. So I'm not sure if all that was worth it for destroying a Merkava, 2 APCs and posting a youtube video of kidnapping 2 soldiers out of 175,000 active IDF. Suspect

    hint: it wasn't worth it.

    Now they will call you troll too. How do you dare saying such thing, like duh, Serbs won in 1999. too, we shot down F-117A that...got us...well... nothing. But we have nice item in airforce museum...


    Welcome to the club welcome

    TBH you asked to get called a troll on this one. So how about literally fomenting a frigging civil war in Lebanon that led to the very existence of the Hizb? Sometimes you make me go all "Bro not you, not you".

    Israel in the region is a source of instability because that's its political trump card. In insisting on its fragility and precarious position, while being well armed and prepared to many scenarios, Israel has managed to go from a two state solution to basically owning much of the original partition map.

    The Iranian Agreement that Israel so vehemently opposed is down, and has the potential to cause et another war. Is this also what Iran wants? Are you comparing 2006 with 1999. Look me in the eye as a Serb to an Albanian and tell me that Serbia "asked for those 78 days" because Kosovo wasn't worth it. Please just tell me so.

    You guys make me laugh, there are moments in the life of a man or a nation when you act in the way you can with the intelligence you have. Hindsight is 20/20.
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    Post  starman Wed May 09, 2018 11:13 am

    flamming_python wrote:Russia should tell Israel in no uncertain terms this time - hands off Syria.

    If they want to bomb Iranians then they can go bomb Iran, or fight them in Lebanon, Iraq, whatever.

    Syria is not to be involved in any of this. Israel has been given too much leeway - the Israelis have taken out not only Iranian and Hezbollah targets in Syria but plenty of Syrians too.
    And now they want to wage battle with Iran in Syria. Can't be allowed.

    I agree in principle, Russia should do that, but for now it's just too damn risky. Israel is too powerful. Russia just doesn't have enough conventional strength localized to beat them, if things escalated. And I don't think it can afford to send sufficient forces to fight Israel. S-400s in Syria couldn't stop the IAF in an allout war, or anything approaching it. True, Russia is a more formidable nuclear power than Israel, but escalation of that magnitude risks WWIII and anihilation...
    I'm real sorry to say this but the best thing Syria, Russia and Iran can do now is grit their teeth, rely on passive defenses (SAMs, dispersal, hardening, diplomacy perhaps) to deal with IAF attacks and remain focused on wrapping up the civil war. (Also dealing with Trump's loony decision.) After the civil war is concluded, the priorities may be, besides reconstruction, building a much more potent AD system.
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    Post  starman Wed May 09, 2018 11:20 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Anything in the Middle East before 2015 is pretty obscure stuff for 95% of folks here.

    Not for me. Smile
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    Post  olibeira Wed May 09, 2018 11:44 am

    Syria's air defence demonstrated that is more than enough to defend the country.

    Surprise attacks are always hard to completely neutralize since you have hundreds of possible targets.

    Every time Syria or Iran is moving assets they are not going to position a system just to protect.

    But the fact that Syria and Hezbollah have hundreds of balistic missiles shows that Israel has failed to prevent the arms transfers between Syria and Hezbollah.






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    Post  lycantrop Wed May 09, 2018 2:21 pm

    https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/994216969426661379

    I learned from decision makers in #Syria that #Russia is putting pressure on the Syrian leadership to refrain from responding to #Israel attacks. #Damascus wants to respond to Israeli violations but Russia believes "it is not the time to escalate and fall into the Israeli goal".


    Haha, oh yeah, dear Putin, as long as they kill Syrians/Iranians... there is no problem with "not responding" to Israel attacks.
    Curious what his opinion would be if instead Russians would be killed in Israeli strikes, right dear Putin?
    As long as no russian blood is flowing we should accept it...

    Every country has its right for selfe defence!
    Putins hesitation to answer properly to Israel illegal attacks against a sovereign country is the reason this attacks will not stop!

    Putin, we will never forget how you sold Libya to your jewish friends.
    Putin, we will never forget how you delayed the S-300 deal for 10 years as Iran needed it desperately!
    Putin, we will never forget how you stopped the S-300 & Yak-130 deal to Syria, because your jewish friends told you to do so.
    Putin, we will never forget how you handed over Syrian Air defence BUK-codes to your zionist masters, so they can continue the killing and destroying
    Iran learned it already the hard way, you cannot trust Russia.

    The only chance to wake up Putin from his illusion is that something big will happen against russians.
    Be it during Fifa 2018 or whatever, i hope his "partners" will f.. him up properly up, because thats the only chance he will maybe wake up..
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    Post  Hannibal Barca Wed May 09, 2018 2:46 pm

    Russia never had good follow up. 
    They failed to rule the world after Napoleonic wars.
    They failed after WW2.
    They succeeded beyond their expectations in Syria, now they don't know what to do.

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