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    Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News #2

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    Post  LMFS Tue Jul 19, 2022 8:25 am

    The source called the timing of the start of dock repair of the aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov"

    From the dry dock at the 35th shipyard in Murmansk, where the aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov" was placed, the water was pumped out, the ship stood on the cages. This was reported by a source in the Russian defense industry.

    The only Russian aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov" is moving to the dock repair stage. Back in May of this year, the aircraft carrier was put into dry dock at the 35th shipyard in Murmansk, after which work began on restoring the bridge and pumping out water. The thing is that the batoport for the dock has not yet been made, it will be installed only next year, so the jumper had to be made temporary, after which the water should be pumped out. It took almost two months for everything about everything, and now the ship stood up on special devices designed to keep it in dry dock (cells - approx.). Dock repair of the cruiser will begin in the coming days.

    The other day, being in the dock of the 35th plant, the aircraft carrier stood on the cages. This paves the way for the start of her dock repairs, tentatively within the next week.

    - leads TASS source words.

    As already reported, work in the dock with the ship should be completed before September, after which the "Admiral Kuznetsov" will be taken out of the dock and put back to the outfitting wall. As stated, all work on the cruiser is going according to plan.

    Earlier, another source in the defense industry reported that the heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov" fleet will return no earlier than 2024, since the scope of work on the ship has increased significantly, in the course of the work carried out on the ship, previously undetected defects were revealed.

    https://en.topwar.ru/199217-istochnik-nazval-sroki-nachala-dokovogo-remonta-avianesuschego-krejsera-admiral-kuznecov.html

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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Jul 19, 2022 11:09 am

    Hole wrote:These sheds in the right corner of the pic should be painted in another colour.

    They might be portable toilet blocks. Yellow and blue would be appropriate in such a case Razz

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    Post  LMFS Thu Jul 28, 2022 12:54 am

    To start the dock repair of the aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov, the dock of the 35th SRZ was drained

    In the coming days, work will begin on the cruiser, the source said.
    MOSCOW, July 28. /tass/. The dock of the Murmansk 35th Ship Repair Plant (SRZ, a branch of the Zvezdochka Ship Repair Center, part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation) has been drained to start repairing the heavy aircraft carrier Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov, work will begin in the coming days. This was reported to TASS by a source in the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation.

    "There are no obstacles to the start of dock repairs of the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier. The dock at the plant is drained, " the source said, adding that work on the cruiser will begin in the coming days.

    The press service of the Zvezdochka Ship Repair Center did not comment on the source's information to TASS.

    On July 19, a TASS source reported that while in the dock of the 35th SRZ, the aircraft carrier stood on the cages (devices on the bottom of the dock on which the ship's hull is installed-approx. TASS).

    The aircraft carrier was docked in mid-May. It was assumed that then it would take two months to restore the bridge and pump out water. It was also reported that the Severodvinsk plant " Sevmash "in 2022 will build a batoport as part of the technical re-equipment of the dry dock at the Murmansk 35th SRZ, which will undergo dock repairs of the cruiser"Admiral Kuznetsov". This was announced to TASS by the company's General Director Mikhail Budnichenko on the occasion of the Submariner's Day, which was celebrated in Russia on March 19. The batoport will replace a temporary bridge in the dock.

    Admiral Kuznetsov is the largest ship of the Russian Navy and the only aircraft carrier capable of carrying horizontal take-off and landing aircraft. It is part of the Northern Fleet, the flagship of the Russian Navy.

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    Post  LMFS Tue Aug 02, 2022 12:31 pm

    Some pics of the dry dock after draining:

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Aug 02, 2022 9:03 pm


    Would it kill them to splash some concrete down there?


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    Post  walle83 Tue Aug 02, 2022 9:52 pm

    So they started using the drydock before it was even finished?

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    Post  LMFS Tue Aug 02, 2022 11:14 pm

    Yes, obviously... you don't pull a 400 m dry dock out of your anus as if nothing

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    Post  GarryB Wed Aug 03, 2022 5:49 am


    Would it kill them to splash some concrete down there?

    Wouldn't make much difference... they still need to spread the weight of the ship over the same sort of area to stop it from sinking and it would not be much different whether it was rock or concrete.

    They appear to retain the old TOR system, the launch tubes at the corner of where the takeoff ramp and the landing strip are... those 6 big white circles are based on the original TOR with 8 missile tubes in a rotary launcher. Each of those represents a single land based TOR from the 1980s, so 6 vehicles with 8 missiles each on each corner of the ship.

    It should be fairly straight forward to replace those with the newer smaller missiles in a fixed grid array of 16 missiles each to double the TOR missile load from 192 to 384 missiles without using any extra space.

    Of course fixed grid vertical launch tubes would take rather less space than an 8 round rotary launcher so you could get a lot more in than that really.

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    Post  kumbor Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:30 pm



    Shipboard TOR is not a TOR, but KINZHAL. Do not mix up with new hypersonic air to surface missile.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:29 am

    That is why I call it TOR, and it is not even the current land based TOR with 16 missiles ready to fire, it only has 8 missiles in a rotary arrangement.

    Upgrading to the current TOR missiles would allow double the missiles carried in the same space... the new reduced sized anti drone models are even smaller and so a mix of the two new types would allow a lot more ready to fire rounds and versatility against a range of target types too.
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    Post  kumbor Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:16 am

    Eight round revolving underdeck launcher is the standard firing unit of shipboard Kinzhal. Eight-round launchers are usually grouped in a group of three or four in various combinations. Although modular, it is rather bulky and heavy.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:34 am

    Some high-rez pics of the K getting tarted up...

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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:13 am

    This "dry dock" (or should that be "mud pit" Laughing ) isn't a permanent structure, as other than some retaining walls and the concrete pad for the K and her supports, much of the interior is unimproved. I wonder if the gov will develop it further into a proper dry dock with a cassion gate once the K is done, or whether they will just demolish the cofferdam and reinstate the old facility?
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    Post  GarryB Wed Aug 10, 2022 7:03 am

    Eight round revolving underdeck launcher is the standard firing unit of shipboard Kinzhal. Eight-round launchers are usually grouped in a group of three or four in various combinations. Although modular, it is rather bulky and heavy.

    It was, but only for the naval version of the missile to allow under deck inspection and testing of each missile... they did something similar for the naval BUK and Rif type missiles too.

    The thing is that a circle of 8 missile tubes takes up quite a bit of under deck space... not to mention the mechanism that rotates the tubes to the launch hatch for launching... the only advantage is that it reduces by a factor of 8 the number of missile hatches you need, but in comparison missile hatches are simple and cheap and having one hatch for each missile simplifies the whole thing and makes for a much more compact design where every missile is ready to launch all the time and you can check the health and readiness of each missile electronically before launch.

    The location of the tubes means a pallet of launch bins could be stored inside the ship and driven out and have the old bins raised up and put to one side and full missile bins lowered into place and the old pallet taken away and checked and any fired missile tubes reloaded ready for reuse.

    This "dry dock" (or should that be "mud pit" Laughing ) isn't a permanent structure, as other than some retaining walls and the concrete pad for the K and her supports, much of the interior is unimproved. I wonder if the gov will develop it further into a proper dry dock with a cassion gate once the K is done, or whether they will just demolish the cofferdam and reinstate the old facility?

    I think moving forward they are going to have more and more rather large ships... civilian and military... so any extra dry docks they can have on hand would be valuable... big ones allow smaller vessels to be worked on in groups as long as you can schedule filling and emptying times to suit each project.

    I would say the few months it would take to empty the dry dock and then lay down enough cement to do the job to the thicknesses needed to hold the weights involved and of course waiting the necessary curing time for the cement would tie the dock up for longer than they would prefer, so using it without a cement base was saving time and making better use of available resources... or perhaps they are running out of cement... Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

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    Post  LMFS Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:23 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:This "dry dock" (or should that be "mud pit"  Laughing ) isn't a permanent structure, as other than some retaining walls and the concrete pad for the K and her supports, much of the interior is unimproved.   I wonder if the gov will develop it further into a proper dry dock with a cassion gate once the K is done, or whether they will just demolish the cofferdam and reinstate the old facility?

    It is unfinished, but they lost the PD-50 so they need a replacement, which in this case is much better. The gates are being built, but they didn't have them ready for the docking of the Kuznetsov. Obviously to destroy such a huge construction makes no sense. They were simply terribly late due to the fiasco with the first contractor and needed to do some emergency management.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sun Aug 21, 2022 2:48 pm

    The head of the USC: after the repair, the aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov" will serve at least 25 years

    Alexey Rakhmanov spoke about the implementation of the state defense order, the prospects for serial equipping of ships with Zircon missiles and the possibility of strengthening the armament of diesel submarines


    Moscow. August 15. INTERFAX.RU - General Director of United Shipbuilding Corporation JSC (USC) Alexei Rakhmanov, in an interview with Interfax columnist Pavel Koryashkin, spoke about the corporation's plans at the military-technical forum "Army", the repair of the only Russian aircraft carrier, fifth-generation submarines and the decision of the Ministry of Defense to stop on one frigate project.

    - How many ships, vessels and submarines will USC hand over to the military this year?

    - This year it is planned to transfer 11 ships to the fleet - eight new and three after repair. We have already handed over to the Russian Navy a new minesweeper (we will hand over another one after repairs) and a diesel submarine.
    Recently, the flag was raised on a ship you know (On July 8, USC handed over to the Russian Navy a special-purpose nuclear submarine "Belgorod" - IF), two more submarines at Sevmash are in the final stages of testing (the Pacific Fleet reported that it would receive a strategic nuclear submarine this year " Prince Oleg" and multi-purpose "Novosibirsk" ). We hope that they will also join the Navy this year.

    - In your office, cameras show several shipyards in real time. Here is the dock with the Admiral Kuznetsov under repair. Is it true that the transfer of the aircraft carrier to the fleet has been postponed to 2024?

    - Dock repair will proceed within the framework of the existing schedule. All this time, work on the ship did not stop, active preparations are underway for the installation of cable products, the installation of a large amount of modernized equipment. We must give the ship to the military in the first quarter of 2024. As a result of fault detection, a significant part of the equipment required replacement or repair in the factory. These are objective difficulties, there were also subjective ones. In addition, decisions have been made on the ship, which I cannot comment on, but I will note that after the repair, the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier will serve for at least 25 years.

    - "Admiral Kuznetsov" will receive new boilers, new flight systems and communication systems, new weapons ...


    - There's a lot of new stuff.

    - In principle, USC is ready to build such large warships?


    - Of course. We are in full swing modernizing "Severnaya Verf". As soon as the installation of the slipway is completed, it will be the tallest industrial building in St. Petersburg - 75 meters high, 125 meters wide and 250 meters long. This is more than enough to build virtually any large-capacity vessel. And even if a decision is made to build a new aircraft carrier, the lion's share of the work can be done at Severnaya Verf.

    - In May 2021, Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy Nikolai Evmenov announced that the Baltic Fleet would receive new diesel submarines. Still, now there is already an understanding of what kind of submarines we are talking about - 636.3 or 677 ?


    - I can't comment on it. Let me just say that we have worked out projects - 677 and adapted 636, which we learned to build at the Admiralty Shipyards in large series.

    Ready to fulfill orders of the Ministry of Defense.

    By the way, I am glad that one of the Project 677 submarines will finally complete the main part of the tests, and the frequency of construction and delivery of such products will already be clear to us. It is likely that the Navy will say which it would prefer - 636.3 or 677, and for which fleet. Both submarines turned out to be good, and we are confident in their effectiveness.

    - Now USC is fulfilling a contract for a series of diesel submarines of project 636.3 for the Pacific Fleet. Still, there are plans to continue the construction of these submarines?


    - These submarines were designed at the end of the last century. Given a number of upgrades - and there are quite a lot of them - we get an effective weapon that is definitely better than the old diesel-electric submarines that are now in service. With rhythmic financing, we can promise the construction of two such diesel submarines per year. And then - already the decision of the fleet, what kind of submarines are needed by type, for which fleets and, accordingly, at what speed the construction should go. Now we are building one such boat a year, but this is not our shortcoming, but the planned pace of construction within the framework of the existing order.

    - Project 636.3 submarines can be upgraded to carry more Kalibr cruise missiles?

    - We have at least six versions that we offer for modernization. And the one that offers an increase in armament power is also being considered by us.

    - Last December, you said that the USC would make a technical design for the Leader nuclear destroyer, and that the Defense Ministry's wishes were understandable. At what stage of the technical project?

    - I would not become attached to a specific project now. I can say one thing - the Ministry of Defense decided that the ships of the "frigate" class of the far sea zone should be based on one project. The technical project is currently under development. As soon as it is approved, we will announce what kind of project it will be, its qualifications and so on. We understand the logic and strategy of the Ministry of Defense for the development of the Navy. Our task is to design and offer various kinds of options. The task of the customer is to choose and bet on certain projects.

    - Does this mean that the nuclear destroyer project was abandoned?

    - No, until the decision is made, I would not reject any options.

    - According to the military, the Project 22350 frigates, in particular the Admiral Gorshkov, performed well ?


    - Yes. The development of this project is one of the options.
    "Admiral Gorshkov" can become, relatively speaking, a "donor" of this platform of ships of the far sea zone in terms of its optimal size, seaworthiness without restrictions and its geometric dimensions, the likelihood of some kind of correction in case a larger number of strike ships need to be placed there and defensive weapons.

    - You said that one basic frigate design would probably be selected. Are there any plans to equip it with more Kalibr missiles?


    - We count on it.

    - Does this mean that the military will choose the modernized project 22350M as the base?


    - Probably yes. But since the question is still within the competence of the Ministry of Defense, I can only speculate here.

    - The Ministry of Defense reported on successful tests of the Zircon hypersonic missile from the Admiral Gorshkov frigate. On Navy Day, the President of Russia announced that the delivery of Zircons to the Armed Forces would begin in the coming months. When can serial equipping of surface ships with these missiles begin?


    - We go in the wake of the wishes of the customer.

    The fact that the tests went well inspires confidence that we are finally going in the right sequence: first the weapon is tested, and then the carrier adapts to it. We are very glad that we have found a common understanding with the Ministry of Defense. As soon as they place an order, these missiles will be installed on the appropriate ships, on launchers. So everything is going according to plan here.

    - Is the creation of fifth-generation submarines - strategic and multi-purpose - not stalling?

    - There is always a temptation to complain that our design bureaus are working slowly, and the military is slow to make decisions. But fifth-generation submarines are actually a serious challenge. Due to the tasks that the customer has set for us, a number of technical solutions must be revised radically.
    We do not want to run into long-term construction. By and large, we build for a long time only in the case when, as the so-called hidden R&D projects, undeveloped technical solutions get on our lead ships. Wherever we are talking about the creation of new weapons, and not serial samples, the increase in terms is caused by the need to refine or refine either weapons systems or ship control systems. By doing this ashore, we save a huge amount of time when the product goes on combat duty.

    We made our conclusions jointly with the fleet. To date, fundamental technical solutions are being developed, each of which entails additional tests, the creation of additional prototypes, and their testing. As soon as these works are completed, we will be able to assemble what will be called the fifth generation submarine from a set of technical solutions.

    In general, work is progressing according to schedule. I hope that in the near future we will be able to finally agree with the Ministry of Defense on a pragmatic final work schedule for fifth-generation submarines.

    - Are you satisfied with the way "Sevmash" fulfills contracts for "Yasen" and "Borey"?


    - In general, yes. Last year we commissioned three nuclear submarines.

    Three nuclear submarines a year by one plant have not been surrendered for a very, very long time, since 1991. This suggests that the plant has increased the necessary production capacity, was able to cope with the training of the necessary personnel and did everything to ensure that the products were of high quality and worked reliably.

    Of course, we would very much like to deliver not three, but four nuclear submarines last year. But there were objective reasons why we had to conduct additional series of tests.

    - In 2020, Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko said that Sevmash's capacities were fully loaded with orders until 2027. What's next?


    - "Yasen" and "Borey" have already been modernized, the modernized submarines of the Yasen-M and Borey-A projects have already been put into service. If you are interested in whether there will be a modernization of the next order or whether we will immediately switch to the fifth generation, then on this issue we are deciding with the military. They decide what will be more effective, including in terms of the pace of rearmament of the Navy.

    - Have you completed the relocation of the USC main office to St. Petersburg?


    - Yes, successfully completed. Here we live and work for two cities, in trains and planes. Of course, all those who are directly involved in production management are in St. Petersburg. Of course they are more comfortable. They are very close to the factories, to the technical and tactical decisions made there.

    The strategic office is still the same as it was and remains in Moscow. Simply because the government, the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Industry and Trade, and all the federal ministries with which we have to work - they are all here.

    - You said that about 1.5 billion rubles would be spent on moving the main office to St. Petersburg. Did you get this amount?

    Plus or minus yes. Of course, there are some nuances associated with adjusting the budget, because during the period of repair, design work, something became cheaper, something more expensive, but in general, we managed to accurately predict the costs of moving. We closely monitored both the budget and the fundamental technical and design decisions that influenced the performance of the work.

    - The West is tightening sanctions, how noticeable is this for USC?

    - In terms of military shipbuilding, we practically do not feel any sanctions. The small "tails" that we have left are closed or are being closed by alternative supply channels. The work of our partners and contractors is to completely remove dependence on foreign components.

    In military shipbuilding, the level of required localization significantly exceeds 95%. The remaining less than 5% - electronic component base, some small products. If these 5% are suddenly blocked, we have the competence to create such components, assemblies and assemblies. They relate rather to the convenience of being on board and do not affect the combat properties of the ships that we build. But in the end, the Navy orders the equipment for us, and, as they say, we take it under the hood.

    https://www.interfax.ru/interview/856092?utm_source=mob&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=mob

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    Post  walle83 Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:35 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:The head of the USC: after the repair, the aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov" will serve at least 25 years

    For some reason, taken the ships history, I kind of doubt that.

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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:07 pm

    Yep. I'm not sure if this ship was in regular service more than 10, altogether.

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    Post  LMFS Tue Aug 23, 2022 2:08 am

    Very god interview with lots of interesting points. It seems the K's modernization received some upgrade. It also seems Severnaya will be enabled to build big destroyers or cruisers (main building 75 m high)

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    Post  GarryB Tue Aug 23, 2022 2:51 am

    Yep. I'm not sure if this ship was in regular service more than 10, altogether.

    Yeah from about 1990 to about 2012 the Russian Army was not in great shape either, but with money and attention and a few upgrades they seem to have their shit together... talk to a Nazi about it... but be quick... they seem to be running out...

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    Post  walle83 Tue Aug 23, 2022 10:19 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Yep. I'm not sure if this ship was in regular service more than 10, altogether.

    Yeah from about 1990 to about 2012 the Russian Army was not in great shape either, but with money and attention and a few upgrades they seem to have their shit together... talk to a Nazi about it... but be quick... they seem to be running out...

    Yes Kuz last 5 years has been nothing but perfection...

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    Post  TMA1 Tue Aug 23, 2022 12:06 pm

    No doubt about it there were major blunders, but they have essentially gutted the thing and so when all new equipment is installed it should last a good while. Hope to eventually see it sail with one of the helicopter carriers and frigates and resupply ships as well as subs in a major battle group.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Aug 23, 2022 12:52 pm

    It is not an easy thing to master a fixed wing aircraft carrier, and lack of purpose and funding for quite some time has hampered performance.

    But being an aircraft carrier expert yourself you know they operate in three cycles... overhaul/upgrade, training, operational... the Kuznetsov has spent most of its time in training mode because there was no need for it to sail the world, and no money to do so even if they wanted to, so sitting at a pier means lack of proper training and usage.

    That same lack of funding means proper overhauls and upgrades have been lacking for quite some time, but experience in Syria will have been invaluable... the opportunity to operate as a carrier... receiving intel about real world enemy targets that are trying to be elusive, having to then plan missions to attack said targets, which unfortunately ended up having to be launched by land based aircraft, but they would have run it by the numbers and worked out tempos and how much fuel and ammo was being used, which aircraft would be available for each mission and follow up recon missions to determine if the strikes were successful and whether follow up attacks would be needed.

    All the while watching over friendly ships nearby and monitoring the airspace and sea surrounding the group.

    It was excellent practise that was carried out in the middle of a scheduled overhaul and upgrade programme that it went back to afterwards.

    They likely learned more in a few weeks than they managed to learn in years being tied up at a pier... and it is all valuable information that will shape the next gen carriers when they build them... which likely wont be till well into the 2030s because they need destroyers and cruisers first.

    The west would love them to give up their carrier... their goal is to isolate and contain Russia and also China, and also ironically to a lessor extent the countries they are using to "fight" them... HATO/EU and India... how much US Navy hardware can the US sell to India or Australia or Europe...

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    Post  Backman Tue Aug 23, 2022 4:57 pm

    walle83 wrote:
    Podlodka77 wrote:The head of the USC: after the repair, the aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov" will serve at least 25 years

    For some reason, taken the ships history, I kind of doubt that.

    I don't doubt it. China has proven that the design is good. This the first time modern Russia has thrown some real money and effort into the carrier program. After this refit , it most likely will look no different than its sister ships in China.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Aug 24, 2022 2:07 am

    GarryB wrote:The west would love them to give up their carrier...

    Agree 100%, and that is the main reason why our presstitute scribbler class is so insistent on recycling stupid old propaganda tropes such as the K being a rusty hulk, or having no toilets, or having smokey exhaust, or needing a tug wherever she goes in case she breaks down, or being useless cuz it doesn't have catapults (an old favourite that they continue to reuse even though the two new UK carriers both use ski-jumps, as did the Invincible class before them).

    These scribblers are bought-and-paid-for idiots and despite their efforts their spiteful BS will have zero effect on the Russian navy planning. K will be modenised and repaired, and she will be an altogther different vessel when she emerges. Naturally the K-haters will continue with their silly diatribes, but they will simply make themselves look even more petty and stupid. Razz

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