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    Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jul 11, 2021 7:43 am

    They certainly tested angled UKSK launch tubes, but I am not aware of any results so far.

    I rather suspect angled launch tubes direct missiles in a specific direction which probably does not matter for the very long range land attack missiles, but for the anti sub weapons the ability to head in any direction at launch is probably quite valuable.

    Probably the main ship to need angled launchers would be the Slava class cruisers simply because their existing Vulcan missiles use heavily angle launch tubes already and there is no under deck space for missiles.

    Moskit is an excellent missile but still sort of half way between a Granit and an Onyx in terms of weight and much shorter legs than either missile.

    Moving forward with UKSK would make sense.
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    Post  Isos Sun Jul 11, 2021 10:47 pm

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    Isos wrote:...What I don't understand is that we saw pictures of angled UKSK yet they don't put them on Udaloys. I doubt they will put them on Slava since they won't upgrade them and small shis are getting 16 urans instead.

    That angled UKSK never went beyond basic test phase, there will be no angled UKSK

    Slavas will probably just get adapters for their missile tubes to fit Onyx/Kalibr same as Oscar SSGNs

    They are working on it so it may end up on ships.

    Why would you use an adaptaters for a Slava. Just switch for a new launchers. They are externally mounted it's easier than adaptating the old launchers for new missiles and can use 2-3 times more missiles.

    On Oscars you need to cut the sub to switch for new launchers that's why they will use adaptaters which is less costly.

    GarryB wrote:
    I rather suspect angled launch tubes direct missiles in a specific direction which probably does not matter for the very long range land attack missiles, but for the anti sub weapons the ability to head in any direction at launch is probably quite valuable.

    Udaloys have that problem with their old missiles. Modernization give them 2 vertical UKSK that can be used for anti sub missiles. Two angled could be used for ASM only.


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    Post  Hole Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:24 pm

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    Indian Kashin (now retired) with BrahMos missiles instead of the old SS-N-2. The same could be done to the Slavas. Remove the huge canisters for the P-500/-1000 missiles and replace them with smaller launchers.
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    Post  Isos Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:03 pm

    They already modernized one Slava with a new radar but didn't replace the launchers.

    I think they will never be modernized deeply with new missiles. But replaced at some point by Gorshkovs.
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    Post  Hole Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:08 pm

    Because the P-1000 is a pretty impressive missile.

    I would love to see a hypersonic missile the size of the P-500/-700/-1000. Twisted Evil

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:57 am

    Vulcan might still be able to be produced, but it makes sense in terms of commonality and standardisation as well as flexibility to use a now standard launcher on everything you possibly can.

    Otherwise upgraded Slavas will need stocks of Vulcan missiles in every base they deploy from or near so they can be resupplied from that base.

    With Vulcan it might be a problem but with UKSK launchers then all the standard missiles should be available.
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    Post  owais.usmani Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:03 pm

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Sep 04, 2021 3:53 am

    It sounds like the Pr 1155.1 Adm Chabanenko has been moved to Nerpa for a continuation of her repairs. Adds evidence to the idea that the Navy has finally decided what they want to do with her and have ponied up the cash? IMHO they have upgraded the work from repair to at least a partial modernisation. UKSK, A-192M arty plus electronics would seem a minimum, but an upgrade to her Khinzal/Tor would be advisable.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Dec 10, 2021 1:22 pm

    Piccie of the towed array of one of the 1155s. Never seen this before Very Happy

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    Post  Isos Fri Dec 10, 2021 1:27 pm

    They throw the guy in the water to search for subs ? lol1

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    Post  Hole Fri Dec 10, 2021 7:53 pm

    The guy is the emergency backup. If the drive of the VDS fails he has to pull it in by hand! Very Happy

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    Post  Isos Fri Dec 10, 2021 8:22 pm

    Hole wrote:The guy is the emergency backup. If the drive of the VDS fails he has to pull it in by hand! Very Happy

    He goes to punch the enemy sub with his hands. lol1

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Dec 10, 2021 11:07 pm

    Isos wrote:They throw the guy in the water to search for subs ? lol1

    He volunteered as tribute angel
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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:38 am

    Isos wrote:They throw the guy in the water to search for subs ? lol1

    Steady on there... It's not the Ukrainian navy.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:44 am

    He rides the surf board to jump sharks...
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    Post  LMFS Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:21 pm

    At Dalzavod, some details of the modernization of the BOD Admiral Vinogradov of Project 1155 were revealed

    The modernization of the Project 1155 BOD "Admiral Vinogradov" with retraining as frigates will be carried out according to an improved project. This was reported by the press service of Dalzavod, revealing some details of the modernization.

    According to a report on the company's official website, the Admiral Vinogradov BPK will undergo modernization according to a more advanced project than the Marshal Shaposhnikov, which has already been transferred to the Pacific Ocean fleet after the work done. The full scope of work planned for the "Admiral Vinogradov" has not been disclosed, but it is emphasized that all weapons on the ship will be replaced, with the exception of the AK-630 artillery mounts.

    The message says that after the modernization, the ship, already re-qualified as a frigate, will receive Kalibr cruise missiles, the Paket-NK anti-submarine complex, modern electronic weapons, there are no other details. However, it is emphasized that after the work carried out, the "Admiral Vinogradov" will be twice as powerful as the one-type "Marshal Shaposhnikov".

    Earlier, sources in the Russian defense industry said that the repair of "Admiral Vinogradov" should be completed by 2025.

    The large anti-submarine ship (BOD) "Admiral Vinogradov" was laid down at the Baltic Shipyard Yantar on February 5, 1986, and launched on June 4, 1987. It entered the Pacific Fleet on May 1, 1989.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:33 pm

    "all but AK-630" would literally mean replacing Tor either scratch
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    Post  Mir Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:55 pm

    The guy said so! Laughing
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    Post  GarryB Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:28 am

    It might mean replacing the old four missiles to a bin TOR with the new 8 individual tube contained missiles to a bin modern model TOR.

    The Naval TOR had a complex rotary loading system with one missile launch hatch with a circle of 8 missile launch tubes that were rotated to the hatch for launch, so replacing them with new smaller missiles in a fixed array launcher could quadruple the number missiles, with all missiles ready to launch instead of one in eight ready to launch.

    Would like to see them upgrade the electronics too... an AESA radar for tracking and the ships AESA radar for search should massively expand the capabilities of the system.

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    Post  George1 Wed Dec 15, 2021 1:40 pm

    Otvet advanced anti-submarine

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    Post  Hole Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:50 pm

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    Post  Hole Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:50 pm

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Dec 23, 2021 9:41 pm


    Destroyer Admiral Levchenko will finish overhaul by the end of 2022

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