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    Post  Hole Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:44 pm

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    "New" dock, 35th repair plant

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    Post  hoom Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:32 am

    Bit of proper ass kicking & threats/oversight -> suddenly dramatic progress sunny

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    Post  Arrow Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:36 am

    GarryB wrote:
    The thing is that Kinzhal and Zircon and Kh-32 are not wonder weapons thousands of tons and hundreds of metres long which they might have one or two of.


    The Zircon is a big advance. Compared to the P-800 with the same dimensions, it has twice the range and almost 4 times the speed. The American fleet would have problems intercepting the P-800, let alone Zircon or Kinzhal.Not long ago, the SM-6 did not even intercept a straight MRBM flying on a predictable trajectory.
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    Post  Backman Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:02 am

    Russian_Patriot_ wrote:The model of the nuclear aircraft carrier of the project 11430E Lamantin (Eng: Manatee), developed by JSC "Nevsky PKB" at the International Naval Salon MVMS-2021 in Saint Petersburg.
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    Has anyone spotted any changes to the model ? This is a new pic
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    Post  Backman Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:02 am

    thegopnik wrote: modernizing an old ass carrier? .

    It was commissioned in 1991. Which isn't particularly old in ship years. Especially in carrier years. Look at how long some of those old British carriers lived.

    Plus is doesn't have that many miles on it.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Jul 02, 2021 12:42 pm

    The Zircon is a big advance. Compared to the P-800 with the same dimensions, it has twice the range and almost 4 times the speed. The American fleet would have problems intercepting the P-800, let alone Zircon or Kinzhal.Not long ago, the SM-6 did not even intercept a straight MRBM flying on a predictable trajectory.

    You misunderstand what I was saying.

    In the 1980s the missile that filled that job description was the P-700 Granit (SS-N-19 Shipwreck) (7 ton) or the P-1000 Vulcan (SS-N-12 Sandbox) (5 ton)... which were very big and very heavy missiles that could only be carried in small numbers on very large platforms... like the Oscar class SSGNs, Kirov class battlecruisers, Slava class cruisers, Kuznetsov carrier...

    Because of the range and speed requirement they were huge and cumbersome, and so not widely deployed in enormous numbers like the Harpoon for instance.

    The Zircon and Kinzhal on the other hand are much smaller and have much better performance and in the case of the former fit into standard launch tubes fitted to new production Corvettes and Frigates and Soon Destroyers and Cruisers, while upgraded destroyers and cruisers from the cold war are having UKSK launch tubes added, which will make them vastly more flexible and useful and capable.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jul 05, 2021 7:19 pm

    Back in the day

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:57 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Back in the day...

    They tried...

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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Jul 06, 2021 1:30 am

    JohninMK wrote:Back in the day

    ..and will be again, once the modernisation & repairs are complete.  thumbsup

    Regardless of the avalanche of bullshit from certain quarters, there is NOTHING fundamentally wrong with the Kuznetsov that a much-delayed repair campaign can't fix.  The Kuz will be yet another example of how Western critics and their water-carriers are proven to be dead WRONG on their much-loved (but fake) narratives about Rusky "incompetence" (like how dumb Russians are decades behind on ABM and hypersonics, or can't build stealth aircraft...). Laughing

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    Post  kumbor Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:06 am


    Nevertheless, Kuznetsov has never been considered successful carrier by Russians themselves. She was rather a prototype for later vessels that were never to be built, with all flaws familiar for a prototype vessel.

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    Post  lancelot Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:10 am

    kumbor wrote:Nevertheless, Kuznetsov has never been considered successful carrier by Russians themselves. She was rather a prototype for later vessels that were never to be built, with all flaws familiar for a prototype vessel.

    If the Kuznetsov is crap, what would you call the British carriers? Worse than crap?
    The Chinese thought it was decent enough they refurbished one and built another one.
    It was used as the basis for their future carrier designs.
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    Post  kumbor Tue Jul 06, 2021 8:30 am

    lancelot wrote:
    kumbor wrote:Nevertheless, Kuznetsov has never been considered successful carrier by Russians themselves. She was rather a prototype for later vessels that were never to be built, with all flaws familiar for a prototype vessel.

    If the Kuznetsov is crap, what would you call the British carriers? Worse than crap?
    The Chinese thought it was decent enough they refurbished one and built another one.
    It was used as the basis for their future carrier designs.

    Ii didn`t say she`s a crap! First real Russian carrier, the largest ship built, the most complex, first to launch fighter aircraft from the deck in the Russian navy. All flaws would have been fixed on later ships, but they were never built.

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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:29 am

    It's a byproduct of a bad time. If Russia never faced the 90's, there would have been a chance for another of the same design fixing it's issues. But, here we are
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    Post  Mir Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:03 am

    lancelot wrote:
    kumbor wrote:Nevertheless, Kuznetsov has never been considered successful carrier by Russians themselves. She was rather a prototype for later vessels that were never to be built, with all flaws familiar for a prototype vessel.

    If the Kuznetsov is crap, what would you call the British carriers? Worse than crap?
    The Chinese thought it was decent enough they refurbished one and built another one.
    It was used as the basis for their future carrier designs.

    A very large coffin fit for a queen Laughing

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jul 06, 2021 2:25 pm

    Read the British Navy thread their new destroyers have 48 vertical launch missile tubes and they can only afford 6 ships of a planned 12, and the primary fighter on their two new carriers is about to be cancelled and thrown in the bin..

    The cancellation of the destroyers means their carriers are going to be even more vulnerable but then 48 SAMs is pathetic self defence capacity anyway... it would struggle to defend itself with that sort of a load out let alone defending another ship.

    But what is worse they don't have any bigger ships like cruisers... they spent all the cash on two carriers and Trident, and now they wont be able to operate those carriers because they wont have enough other ships for patrols and protect their carriers.

    Nevertheless, Kuznetsov has never been considered successful carrier by Russians themselves.

    Why do you think that?

    What are you expecting from the carrier?

    It has been not much use over the last 30 years because rebuilding itself and its industries hasn't really required global naval power, but for its future Russia seriously needs to bypass western bullshit to access real markets and countries that are not interested in keeping Russia in its place subservient to the west.

    They can't do that without a global fleet and you can't have an effective global fleet without aircraft carriers.

    She was rather a prototype for later vessels that were never to be built, with all flaws familiar for a prototype vessel.

    She was a stepping stone... and two were built, but the final plan was for the Ulyanovsk... which sounds a lot like the ships they still plan to build... but obviously with much newer technology and aircraft.

    Even if they had built several of the carriers they had wanted they would have been of no use for the last 30 years anyway, but keeping the Kuznetsov has been valuable in retaining capability and skills, for practise and training.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Jul 06, 2021 2:29 pm

    kumbor wrote:
    Nevertheless, Kuznetsov has never been considered successful carrier by Russians themselves. She was rather a prototype for later vessels that were never to be built, with all flaws familiar for a prototype vessel.

    Which Russians?  The idiots who don't understand that she is an air defense carrier not a USN-style strike carrier?  She was designed to extend naval aviation support into the Russian near-abroad and to protect their SSBNs against interdiction by NATO ASW aircraft and their fighter escorts, and she fufills that mission as designed. STOBAR is adequate for her intended role, even if it means she doesn't have indigenous AWACS support, and even if her phased-array radar wasn't a success.

    The fact that the Chinese chose to build a 2nd hull (Shandong) rather than simply complete the Varyag/Liaoning should be a wakeup call to the retards who keep shit-canning the 11435 design, but naturally, they have proved to be impervious to little trivial details such as facts and reality...  

    Pfftt...  I don't lose sleep over the opinions of such people.  Life is too short to worry what the mouth-breathers at the bottom end of the bell-curve are repeating to each other...

    GarryB wrote:She was a stepping stone... and two were built

    Actually, 3 were built, ie one by China. They obviously felt that it was worthwhile building another, so that should say a lot regarding the validity of the design intention if people are willing to disregard the BS they are fed by Western hacks.

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