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    Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News #2

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    Post  Admin Sat Sep 28, 2019 11:46 pm

    So everything is on schedule?

    Yes, everything is on schedule!

    So what is the schedule?

    I did not and cannot say!
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    Post  Isos Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:36 am

    In its Turkey's national interest to let Russia have access to it. Because if russia start bombing everything going there their economy will fall. Abd they would be in bug trouble keeping the north from Greece if Russia destroys their military.
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    Post  hoom Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:37 am

    Progress on the new dock
    Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News #2 - Page 19 11-8036185-kuzya
    Can't say it looks all that rapid.
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    Post  Isos Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:56 am

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    United Shipbuilding Corporation's Alexei Rakhmanov said the Admiral Kuznetsov's is scheduled to be returned to the Russian Navy in 2022 but that it also would need additional repairs. He also said OSK expects a large order for the Lider-class destroyers
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:11 am

    United Shipbuilding Corporation's Alexei Rakhmanov said the Admiral Kuznetsov's is scheduled to be returned to the Russian Navy in 2022 but that it also would need additional repairs.
    So, they'll reactivate with the refit incomplete?!
    Or perhaps they'll leave less complicated items for repairs pierside/at sea with ship yard teams.
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    Post  hoom Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:48 am

    Oh FFS https://www.rt.com/russia/475662-admiral-kuznetsov-aircraft-carrier-fire/
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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:56 am

    What the censored is it with these dumb fck shipyard workers????  How fucking hard is it to not weld where hydrocarbon hazards abound???  or rubber tiles on subs???

    Endless instances of this dumb shit behaviour cannot be accidental. PD50 sinking and now this????

    Arrest the works supervisor(s) and jail them, as well as the HSE people on duty. Sack every inbred moron who was part of the welding work party.

    Finally, get fucking serious with safety culture.  Perform risk assessments on every job and produce JSEA statements.  Enforce and confirm compliance of the JSEA requirements and FIRE anyone who can't or won't get the picture.

    I'm getting a little sick of defending Russia against the nonsense of Western Russophobes only to have these stupid inbred gopniks create new justifications for foreign ridicule.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:24 am

    Sounds like another upgrade will be needed... and perhaps mandatory fire training and fire extinguishers for wielders...
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    Post  Isos Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:46 am

    Diesel seems to be burning.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:43 pm


    This ship just want to die.

    Will they put it out of it's misery already? Do they have no decency?

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    Post  Admin Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:31 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    This ship just want to die.

    Will they put it out of it's misery already? Do they have no decency?


    I can't imagine putting it back into service after this much damage.
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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:38 am

    Oh wow. Time to call it quits on this ship. If they do need a carrier, guarantee it will be cheaper to build new one than trying to rescue this ship.
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    Post  Isos Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:41 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    This ship just want to die.

    Will they put it out of it's misery already? Do they have no decency?


    I can't imagine putting it back into service after this much damage.  


    That will accelerate the order of a new carrier like the small Shtirm KM. But also oblige those assholes to improve their shipyard.

    They can always sell it to india or china, they will likely rebuild it faster than Russia and would be happy to have it in their navy.


    Btw R.I.P to the guy who died. There are another two missing probavly dead too.
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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:43 am

    I would say that there is a major problem at Russian shipyards in terms of repairing ships. Building new ones not a problem but repairing seems to be a major issue where they cause constant fires. But I agree with ISOS, at this point, cheaper and faster to buy into Shturm than it is to keep this boat going.
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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:49 am

    Maybe it was worst than this fire but as said in Tass, it was a violation in work. This is a major issue with the repair plants. And thus already damage is to the point that it may be cheaper to build a new vessel instead. Plus may be done quicker too
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    Post  Isos Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:55 am

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    The fire in the #Russia Navy #AdmiralKuznetsov/#АдмиралКузнецов is now fully extinguished after fire-fighters filled the burning sections of the aircraft carrier with water. As the result of the damages, the ship's repair work will last at-least six more months in #Murmansk.




    Fire is not a friend of metals. The structure could need mort parts to be changed by the same guys who started this fire. Idk why they didn't send this ship in China for repair. They can finish in 1 or 2 months.
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    Post  Admin Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:57 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Maybe it was worst than this fire but as said in Tass, it was a violation in work. This is a major issue with the repair plants. And thus already damage is to the point that it may be cheaper to build a new vessel instead. Plus may be done quicker too

    $340 million has already been wasted on this refit which should have gone to that. Unless Putin is going to magically come up with billions for a CATOBAR it is not worth pursuing.
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    Post  Admin Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:01 am

    Isos wrote:

    Fire is not a friend of metals. The structure could need mort parts to be changed by the same guys who started this fire. Idk why they didn't send this ship in China for repair. They can finish in 1 or 2 months.

    Sending it to China does not create jobs in Russia. It has always been a state welfare project and platform to promote export of MiG-29K. India must be looking very hard at this.
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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:04 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Maybe it was worst than this fire but as said in Tass, it was a violation in work. This is a major issue with the repair plants. And thus already damage is to the point that it may be cheaper to build a new vessel instead. Plus may be done quicker too

    $340 million has already been wasted on this refit which should have gone to that.  Unless Putin is going to magically come up with billions for a CATOBAR it is not worth pursuing.  

    Well, they have over $40B in budget surplus they can use. It would end up cheaper long run for new ship.
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    Post  Isos Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:16 am

    Unless Putin is going to magically come up with billions for a CATOBAR it is not worth pursuing

    Well they can easily secure 5-6 billion $ in one year by stoping procurment of ground and air defence systems and increasing export gaz prices during this winter.

    And let's not talk about corruption. They could buy 10 carriers with that money.

    They will never order a super CATOBAR. That will be suicide. They can't repaire the kuznetsov, what would happen with a CATOBAR.

    The small shtorm would be a good replacement for kuznetsov, a better ad for mig-29k/mig-35 and allow to even find export customers like South Korea or Saudi Arabia.

    Sending it to China does not create jobs in Russia. It has always been a state welfare project and platform to promote export of MiG-29K. India must be looking very hard at this.

    India has already bought mig-29k and is the only customer that can buy it.

    New build ships create more jobs. They would have saved a lot if they had send it to China for repairs and they could have even sold it them for 4 or 5 billion so that they have both ships of the class whike Russia goes with a new and modern design.
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    Post  Admin Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:31 am

    Isos wrote:

    India has already bought mig-29k and is the only customer that can buy it.

    New build ships create more jobs. They would have saved a lot if they had send it to China for repairs and they could have even sold it them for 4 or 5 billion so that they have both ships of the class whike Russia goes with a new and modern design.

    The Indian carrier has similar systems to this one and the lack of safety features. If this ship had up-to-date fire suppression it would immediately extinguish the fire.

    China would not buy it for anything more than scrap. They have their own state welfare projects to keep people employed.
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    Post  Isos Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:48 am

    The Indian carrier has similar systems to this one and the lack of safety features. If this ship had up-to-date fire suppression it would immediately extinguish the fire.

    China would not buy it for anything more than scrap. They have their own state welfare projects to keep people employed.

    India already bought the carrier. Who cares if they are closly monitoring what's happening with the K. Their new homemade carriers are not better than this anyway and will order something new from Russia just like they are ordering t-90 while having arjun.  

    China is no better.

    China needs such ship. The modernization to their standard and repair of the destructed parts is lot of work for their shipyards. At least 2 or 3 years of work.

    They produce tens of modern destroyers every two year but yet they upgrade the sovromenys which are almost 20 years old. That's a sign that they still consider russian hardware worth puting money in, even if old ones still very good. And we (and specially they) still needs to see what is worth their homemade carrier. Very likely they could buy the K and upgrade it like they are doing with sovromenys.

    They could even sell them all of the su-33 for 2-2.5 billion and buy some 30 mig-35 and yak 44 replacement for their new carrier with that money.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:06 am

    The area of ​​fire quickly reached 600 square meters. m, he was assigned the second rank of difficulty. However, according to sources close to the emergency commission, the new equipment was not damaged, so the fire should not adversely affect the completion dates for the repair of the only Russian aircraft carrier. In fact, workers will only have to clean up the fire and redecorate them. After that, the installation of new equipment will resume.
    https://iz.ru/953787/aleksei-ramm-anton-lavrov-bogdan-stepovoi/pozhar-v-kraskakh-chto-stalo-prichinoi-chs-na-avianostce-admiral-kuznetcov

    https://iz.ru/953567/video/video-pozhara-na-kreisere-admiral-kuznetcov-s-koptera
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    Post  Admin Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:20 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:The area of ​​fire quickly reached 600 square meters. m, he was assigned the second rank of difficulty. However, according to sources close to the emergency commission, the new equipment was not damaged, so the fire should not adversely affect the completion dates for the repair of the only Russian aircraft carrier. In fact, workers will only have to clean up the fire and redecorate them. After that, the installation of new equipment will resume.
    https://iz.ru/953787/aleksei-ramm-anton-lavrov-bogdan-stepovoi/pozhar-v-kraskakh-chto-stalo-prichinoi-chs-na-avianostce-admiral-kuznetcov

    https://iz.ru/953567/video/video-pozhara-na-kreisere-admiral-kuznetcov-s-koptera

    You obviously did not see the extent of the fire.



    The fire broke out in the power supply compartment and all of the diesel generators and cables are destroyed.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:23 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:The USS Forrestal fire was a lot worse, & the USN repaired it.
    ....
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_USS_Forrestal_fire#Drydock_repairs

    USN was getting excellent results out of Forrestal and she was more than worth repairing to say nothing of how necessary she was for US military needs

    Same doesn't apply for Kuznetzov



    miketheterrible wrote:Maybe it was worst than this fire but as said in Tass, it was a violation in work...

    Oh and another thing: every single person in that facility with access to blowtorch should be immediately fired alongside any work supervisor currently on the payroll



    Vladimir79 wrote:.... It has always been a state welfare project and platform to promote export of MiG-29K.

    MiG-29K has been dead project for years now, another thing to move on from alongside this carrier





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