Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News #2

verkhoturye51 wrote:Rakhmanov has said they decided to join two dry docks together at 35th Ship repair center.

Vladimir79 wrote:

verkhoturye51 wrote:Rakhmanov has said they decided to join two dry docks together at 35th Ship repair center.

It needs a dock with 305m length, the two docks are only 187 and 236m long.  It would take a couple years to carry out such work and not as easy as knocking out a wall.  As mentioned it would also effect icebreaker refits which are the life blood of the Arctic.  The other solution is ordering a floating dock from China, which would also take years.  Any solution sees completion of the refit being pushed back from 2021 to 2023 or later.    

marcellogo wrote:

Are not the russian shipbuilders able to built ships in separate parts and link them together?

marcellogo wrote:

Vladimir79 wrote:

verkhoturye51 wrote:Rakhmanov has said they decided to join two dry docks together at 35th Ship repair center.

It needs a dock with 305m length, the two docks are only 187 and 236m long.  It would take a couple years to carry out such work and not as easy as knocking out a wall.  As mentioned it would also effect icebreaker refits which are the life blood of the Arctic.  The other solution is ordering a floating dock from China, which would also take years.  Any solution sees completion of the refit being pushed back from 2021 to 2023 or later.    

Are not the russian shipbuilders able to built ships in separate parts and link them together?

It would take a couple years to carry out such work and not as easy as knocking out a wall. As mentioned it would also effect icebreaker refits which are the life blood of the Arctic.

Tsavo Lion wrote:

It would take a couple years to carry out such work and not as easy as knocking out a wall. As mentioned it would also effect icebreaker refits which are the life blood of the Arctic.

That would be the less of 2 or 3 evils, i.e. towing the Adm. K elsewhere, &/ buying a new floating drydock & towing it there, delaying its refit. Once completed, that joined dock will accommodate 2 or more ships/subs at the same time.
Later, they may salvage the PD-50- even if it's not repaired, the scrap metal alone is probably worth it.

Isos wrote:They won't sell their mig-29 because Shtorm will mostly carry them.

Vladimir79 wrote:Then they will need something btw the K end and the Shtorm. Something like a light Shtorm fast to build.

Isos wrote:

I know but if shtorm is only ready, I mean ready to operate, in 15 years from now they will need something new to keep the carrier based capability. Today's pilot with the experience of carrier operation, which is by the way very modest, will be retired or even lose that experience.

And how it goes it looks like K has no future or very short one.

Then they will need something btw the K end and the Shtorm. Something like a light Shtorm fast to build.

Isos wrote:

Vladimir79 wrote:

Isos wrote:They won't sell their mig-29 because Shtorm will mostly carry them.

By the time Shtorm would be IOC the current 29s would be EOL... it is going to take that long.  A new CATOBAR design will be required.  It is time to invest in the future, not the past.

I know but if shtorm is only ready, I mean ready to operate, in 15 years from now they will need something new to keep the carrier based capability. Today's pilot with the experience of carrier operation, which is by the way very modest, will be retired or even lose that experience.

And how it goes it looks like K has no future or very short one.

Then they will need something btw the K end and the Shtorm. Something like a light Shtorm fast to build.

The graving dock (360 x 60 x 13.2 m) is serviced by two gantry cranes, 320 t capacity each and 5 portal cranes, 80 t capacity. The cranes enable to assemble a hull from large sections and blocks weighing up to 600 t.

It is possible to divide the graving dock into two spaces by a caisson and repair vessels in parallel with ship construction. The other building area has two horizontal building berths, 400 m long with following cranes: 2 cranes of 80 t lifting capacity, 3 cranes of 32 t lifting capacity, 4 cranes of 16 t lifting capacity. Both berths have a common side launch providing for launching of vessels up to 2500 t steel weight.

Tsavo Lion wrote:The UDKs will be built before any CVNs, as they r higher priority & actually more useful to the VMF; if need be, some naval aviators will be kept at NITKAs to train others, if they refuse those orders, they'll be prosecuted & lose their retirement pay. The VMF isn't a yacht club!

marcellogo wrote:Are not the russian shipbuilders able to built ships in separate parts and link them together?

Dima wrote:

marcellogo wrote:Are not the russian shipbuilders able to built ships in separate parts and link them together?

Yes they do. Yantar shipyard build the second set of Indian 11356 Frigates with small modules like we see below. This one of the bow being shifted from its workshop to be placed on the hull. Search for 11356 construction at Yantar and you will get much more images of hull sections in varying degree of completion.


Modules like these make up the hull. Modular construction varies on complexity, but still these are all modular construction.

Vladimir79 wrote:

Tsavo Lion wrote:The UDKs will be built before any CVNs, as they r higher priority & actually more useful to the VMF; if need be, some naval aviators will be kept at NITKAs to train others, if they refuse those orders, they'll be prosecuted & lose their retirement pay. The VMF isn't a yacht club!

Our biggest weakness right now is marine gas turbines.  Our biggest strength is nuclear propulsion, a new carrier and destroyer class based on nuclear is the one thing we can do right now if we invest the money.

Tsavo Lion wrote:
Putin boasted that Russia is now import-independent from Ukrainian made turbines. If need be, they'll keep making them until they get them right. A big UDK/CV hybrid can also be nuclear powered, esp. if it'll have some ice breaking capability.