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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:11 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    that still doesn't mean that Russians must do nothing about their own
    parasitic regime. L. Americans, Spaniards, Portuguese, Albanians, Romanians, Philippinos, S. Koreans, & S. Africans all fired their dictators- Russia may be next in line.

    nope, so far only Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela fired US introduced dictators. The rest not yet. But lets hope for the best Smile

    N ow time for US and Australia to do something about their fascist deep states . Imagine dictator regime gove cutting budget for police and introducing armed forceds to protect itself. From people. Washington DC :d

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:18 pm

    Mir wrote:Maybe...just maybe I'll watch this a bit later on, but if they suggest that this man was poisoned by the Novichok nerve agent then the truth just left the building! Neutral



    Navalny was poisoned c'mon they say it in democratic free media Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil we believe in free media!!! Also the reports the US evacuated in panic from Afghanistan shooting civilians on their way is just fake news lol1 lol1 lol1

    It was no aggression b ut just rebuilding and bringing new life . To Us at least. thumbsup

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:34 am

    Quotes from A. Politkovskaya: https://youtu.be/MuVn3TrYNW8?t=375

    Putin, having accidentally received enormous power into his hands, administered it to catastrophic consequences for Russia. And I do not like him, because he does not like people. He can’t stand us. He despises us. He believes that we are a means him only, a means to achieve his own personal power goals. Therefore, he can do anything he wishes to us, plays with us as he pleases, destroys us, if he wishes. For him, we are nobody. And he, having accidentally scrambled to the top, is now a king and a god, whom everybody should worship and fear. http://euromaidanpress.com/2019/10/07/six-powerful-quotes-from-anna-politkovskaya-about-vladimir-putin/

    “We are hurtling back into a Soviet abyss, into an information vacuum that spells death from our own ignorance. All we have left is the internet, where information is still freely available. For the rest, if you want to go on working as a journalist, it's total servility to Putin. Otherwise, it can be death, the bullet, poison, or trial—whatever our special services, Putin's guard dogs, see fit.”
    https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/59019.Anna_Politkovskaya

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    Post  GarryB Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:59 am

    Putin, having accidentally received enormous power into his hands, administered it to catastrophic consequences for Russia. And I do not like him, because he does not like people. He can’t stand us. He despises us. He believes that we are a means him only, a means to achieve his own personal power goals. Therefore, he can do anything he wishes to us, plays with us as he pleases, destroys us, if he wishes. For him, we are nobody. And he, having accidentally scrambled to the top, is now a king and a god, whom everybody should worship and fear.

    Euromaidan press...

    The amusing thing is that most people make accusations about other people squarely and accurately based on themselves... Russia wouldn't be in the position it is in today if Putin hated Russians... he would have sold Russia piece by piece to the west and left the country to enjoy the wealth the west would have given him for destroying Russia as a threat... the enemy is not Putin... the enemy is the west which has been trying to control or destroy Russia since there was a Russia.

    This Anna chick sounds like an ignorant bitch.

    Wow.... just looked her up on the internet and she is not a looker either.

    Plus she was American born and has been dead for 15 years... what would she know about Putin?

    She lived through the early hard work period... she didn't live long enough to see the results of all Putins work and preparation...

    And yes... most things take a lot of preparation and planning and don't just fall in your lap ready made and working.

    Just look at the Russian military... in 2005 it was considered a joke... not just by the west but by the Russian people... these days not so much... they are fully as well equipped and armed as most of their HATO counterparts... probably better than most of them even and their weapons and equipment seems to actually work.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Sep 01, 2021 10:34 am

    Citing Politkovskaya at the beginning of the 3rd decade of the XXI century, while we witness all she said turned out bullshit?
    Really?
    Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:21 am

    ALAMO wrote:Citing Politkovskaya at the beginning of the 3rd decade of the XXI century, while we witness all she said turned out bullshit?
    Really?
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    The same US citizen Politkovska? born Ukrainian Mazepa Very Happy

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:30 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Quotes from A. Politkovskaya: https://youtu.be/MuVn3TrYNW8?t=375


    ORDERED TO BE SILENT! PUTIN'S EXCLUSIVE SHOTS!
    https://youtu.be/oiGyEZYRHBU

    wow, you mean that you got a proof which is accepted by court?  Congrats!  If not i can tell you Obama ordered to kill her to get Nobel peace prize.  I don't have proof either but who cares about proofs.


    As for her:  If you hate Jews you are an anti-Semite ,  if you hate people of different race you are a racist.
    When you hate Russians you are a human rights activist thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup

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    Post  kvs Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:51 am

    Politkovskaya as an authority on Putin. What a retarded joke.

    Here "credentials" are parroting the NATzO propaganda line on Chechnya. She did this for at least 8 years and Putin did not bother
    with her. But when Chechnya faded from the news together with Politkovskaya's "career" (as a propaganda shill for NATzO
    operating in Russia) she was suddenly offed. NATzO claims it was Putin. Putin clearly had no motive. If he was bothered by
    her propaganda parroting he had 8 years to have her offed in exactly the same fashion. Also, you will note that she was
    offed on Putin's birthday. Clearly parties rabidly against Putin and Russia were the organizers. This was a "squeeze the last
    drop of juice out of the lemon" operation.

    The same story applies to Nemtsov as well. Nobody bothered with him while he was still politically relevant. But when he started to
    fade rapidly into obscurity he was offed. I suppose American Ukr prats like TL will find this compelling evidence of Putin's nefariousness,
    but to people with functional brains it is intellectually insulting. This is also the same inane propaganda as the cockamamie story about
    Putin sending a single Buk system into the Donbass to shoot down a random civilian passenger jet which was conveniently directed over
    a missile free fire zone by the Kiev ATC that then destroyed its tapes. Again, no motive either political or military, just "ebil Rosshian
    tyrant" drivel.

    If you look around the world with serious issues of repression, the number of disappeared and murdered goes into the hundreds and
    thousands easily. For example El Salvador during the 1980s. Union and other civil society activists murdered when they were fighting
    for their cause and making a difference. A handful of faded has-beens that were never bothered when they mattered is evidence of a
    foreign frame job and not local repression. This is also supported by the fact that the systematic omission of the motive issue fits
    with NATzO fake stream media and deep state propaganda narratives. For people in Russia, it is patently absurd.

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    Post  kvs Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:54 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:Citing Politkovskaya at the beginning of the 3rd decade of the XXI century, while we witness all she said turned out bullshit?
    Really?
    Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

    The same US citizen Politkovska? born Ukrainian Mazepa Very Happy

    That is why American Ukr TL spams this board with hate propaganda organized by Kiev regime lickspittles working on behest of their
    masters in Washington.

    He must have returned here to poop and piss on every thread because things are getting really shitty in Banderastan. Their
    new owners are not trickling enough dollars to them, and the retards sliced off their own testicles by severing trade with
    Russia. They actually expected to control Russian gas transit into the EU and engage in both transit toll extortion and
    outright gas theft. Sucks to be delusional hater losers like them.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:07 am

    kvs wrote:
    That is why American Ukr TL spams this board with hate propaganda organized by Kiev regime lickspittles working on behest of their
    masters in Washington.



    oh c'mon there is no reason to used such strong words on him. He has right for his opinion. It doesn't mean we agree lol1 lol1 lol1
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    Post  kvs Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:25 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    That is why American Ukr TL spams this board with hate propaganda organized by Kiev regime lickspittles working on behest of their
    masters in Washington.



    oh c'mon there is no reason to used such strong words on him. He has right for his opinion. It doesn't mean we agree lol1 lol1 lol1

    We can all get this shill "opinion" in the NATzO fake stream media. This forum does not need to be assimilated into this Borg Collective.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Sep 02, 2021 7:09 am

    .. she was offed on Putin's birthday. Clearly parties rabidly against Putin and Russia were the organizers.
    more likely it was his birthday present. He considers any1 who doesn't think like him & not submitting to his policies & propaganda as a traitor to (his) Russia.
    Putin sending a single Buk system into the Donbass to shoot down a random civilian passenger jet which was conveniently directed over a missile free fire zone by the Kiev ATC that then destroyed its tapes.
    the rebels shot it down by mistake, & the plane wasn't directed off the usual corridor.
    Unfortunately this video below doesn't have CC feature to be translated, but it exposes all Russian official & propaganda lies:
    For the seventh anniversary of the crash of the Malaysian Boeing MH-17, ICTV channel presents a documentary project of its own production “MN-17. Years of Lies. "
    The film tells about the streams of misinformation and outright lies that have accompanied the investigation of the tragedy for all these years. Russia's hybrid operation was aimed at audiences all over the world. The purpose of this special operation was, first of all, to discredit the official international investigation and spread the Kremlin versions of this crime. And to some extent - especially on the territory of Russia - the Kremlin has achieved its goal, says the author and producer of the project, Mikhail Pavlov.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6AmXjRzjaw

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Sep 02, 2021 7:51 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:Citing Politkovskaya at the beginning of the 3rd decade of the XXI century, while we witness all she said turned out bullshit?
    Really?
    Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

    The same US citizen Politkovska? born Ukrainian Mazepa Very Happy

    Yeah, that would be the same one.
    The one connected to Chechen thugs with all the hands, legs&****.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:01 pm

    How Putin is stuck in the past and pulls the country there
    https://youtu.be/faB8fBB1IFs
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Fri Sep 03, 2021 2:22 am

    ALAMO wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:Citing Politkovskaya at the beginning of the 3rd decade of the XXI century, while we witness all she said turned out bullshit?
    Really?
    Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

    The same US citizen Politkovska? born Ukrainian Mazepa Very Happy

    Yeah, that would be the same one.
    The one connected to Chechen thugs with all the hands, legs&****.

    Its amazing because she seemed to support US aggression towards Afghanistan because Saudis and CIA made terror attack in NYC.
    So was she pro or anti islamist? Im puzzled
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    Post  GarryB Fri Sep 03, 2021 4:54 am

    Even Malaysia said the investigation was bullshit and that none of the locals would make statements because all that information was handed over to the Ukrainian government and they were arresting them and putting them in prison.

    It is amusing that the Ukraine was part of the investigation and Russia was not... you could argue it has nothing to do with Russia because it doesn't, but it creates a situation where the Ukraine can simply make the evidence look one way and suppress any evidence that refutes their story... like the Air Traffic Controller disappearing on holiday for what... 6 or 7 years now?

    Occams razor is best applied to this situation... the missile used is no longer used by Russian forces who were not in the area anyway. The missile was used by Ukrainian operators locally... therefore it makes sense that the Ukraine shot it down.

    It is not the first civilian plane they have shot down... there was an S-200 launch that went astray and shot down a Yak-40 I think it was on its way to Israel and killed about 80 people during a military exercise.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Sep 03, 2021 5:52 am

    The Buk could be given to rebels from storage or captured from Ukr. side. The video shows it being returned to Russia with 1 missile missing.
    Past Ukr. shootdowns r not relevant, except the fact that people can & do make mistakes on all sides of any given conflict. The USSR, Israel, Italy, & USA shot down a few non-mil. planes over the years:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airliner_shootdown_incidents
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    Post  GarryB Fri Sep 03, 2021 7:55 am

    The Buk could be given to rebels from storage or captured from Ukr. side. The video shows it being returned to Russia with 1 missile missing.

    Given? The Russians no longer use that model from the 1980s.

    The Ukrainian side claimed they didn't have that missile either but later video of the same model driven through Ukrainian city streets was shown when a driver crashed it.

    Ukrainian missiles in the area match the description... no need to  suggest rebels had some unless the purpose is to blame rebels.

    Known examples in Ukrainian hands at the time.

    Ukrainian forces shot it down.... simplest explaination with available information... makes the most sense, but does not fit the agenda of those investigating so they throw it out.

    If they were guilty they could just burn the vehicle... why risk it being photographed being sent back to Russia and especially with one missile missing... Russia would certainly not want the system back as it is obsolete.

    If Russia was sending air defence missiles to Ukraine Pantsir would make more sense... it is cheaper lighter and a complete system on a single vehicle with cheaper lighter missiles and it can kill more targets with one vehicle.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:05 am

    The Russians no longer use that model from the 1980s.
    but they could store & maintain them as they do with many other old systems.
    Moreover, since Ukr. AD units still use them, it would make sense to give 1 to rebels & blame them or the Ukr. side for downing large planes as shot by mistake or not by Russia.
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    Post  ALAMO Fri Sep 03, 2021 10:13 am

    GarryB wrote:Even Malaysia said the investigation was bullshit and that none of the locals would make statements because all that information was handed over to the Ukrainian government and they were arresting them and putting them in prison.
    It is amusing that the Ukraine was part of the investigation and Russia was not... you could argue it has nothing to do with Russia because it doesn't, but it creates a situation where the Ukraine can simply make the evidence look one way and suppress any evidence that refutes their story... like the Air Traffic Controller disappearing on holiday for what... 6 or 7 years now?
    Occams razor is best applied to this situation... the missile used is no longer used by Russian forces who were not in the area anyway. The missile was used by Ukrainian operators locally... therefore it makes sense that the Ukraine shot it down.
    It is not the first civilian plane they have shot down... there was an S-200 launch that went astray and shot down a Yak-40 I think it was on its way to Israel and killed about 80 people during a military exercise.

    I still wonder what do you really talk about.
    Russian presented all the pieces of evidence for the missile that hit the MH17, including its serial number, unit, location, and dates.
    A full record.

    It was a Ukrainian missile, and there can be no doubt about that.
    Dot.
    The only question that can be raised, is in whose hands it was, as it could be an insurgents trophy.
    So we can consider it as one of the scenarios that they have used it to shoot down a Ukrainian plane, and hit a liner by mistake.
    Hiding in the shadow of civilian airplanes was a common Ukr practice, and there are evidence of that, too. Including personal statements, anyone can see on YT, and dated long before the tragedy.
    But with all the relating facts around, this is getting obvious either.
    Sound materials presented by the SBU are frauded, and made of two different sound sources.
    Uploaded before it happened.
    Pictures presented are frauded.
    There were Buk systems in Ukr hands located in the area, which was denied by them.
    There was an increased activity of emissions before the date, and an immediate turn-off of all the systems just after.
    It is an obvious false flag operation targeted at Russia, and a Malesian plane with Dutch on board was a very carefully and precisely acquired target.
    Because the Netherlands is one of the most Russian-friendly countries in the EU, and Malesia is one of the most Russian-friendly countries in Asia either.
    This case is solved long time ago, and closed.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Sep 03, 2021 11:26 am

    It was a Ukrainian missile, and there can be no doubt about that.

    Agreed, but the anti Russians don't believe that either...

    The only question that can be raised, is in whose hands it was, as it could be an insurgents trophy.

    The insurgents can now operate high tech air defence systems... but can't tell a civilian airliner from a military aircraft that might be a threat...

    So we can consider it as one of the scenarios that they have used it to shoot down a Ukrainian plane, and hit a liner by mistake.

    Well the rebels have a record of murdering civilians while trying to hit Ukrainian soldiers... but you have to ask why BUK and not TOPOL?

    Hiding in the shadow of civilian airplanes was a common Ukr practice, and there are evidence of that, too. Including personal statements, anyone can see on YT, and dated long before the tragedy.

    If they could work the missile system to fire it they would need to have been trained in its use which means the IFF system would have told them it was a civilian aircraft.

    There were Buk systems in Ukr hands located in the area, which was denied by them.

    There was also that video of this exact model of BUK being dangerously driven through an urban area not long after the incident showing they did have such vehicles in the region at the time.

    But I agree with your conclusion... definitely a false flag incident... clearly shown by the immediate over reaction... if this had been a genuine incident they would have waited to see who actually did it before reacting the way they did... they didn't need to wait because they knew exactly what happened.... just like the alleged use of chem weapons in Syria and the rush for revenge with cruise missiles before anyone worked out the truth...

    The difference of course was that noone died with the supposed chemical attack... they murdered these people for political points against a group of Ukrainians in the Ukraine that Kiev was bombing and shelling already... you would think there would be an uproar in the west but most people in the west like simple solutions... black and white... and Russia is always black.
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    Post  ALAMO Fri Sep 03, 2021 11:55 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Agreed, but the anti Russians don't believe that either...

    Who cares? One can be an idiot by his own choice, no need to disrupt.

    GarryB wrote:
    The insurgents can now operate high tech air defence systems... but can't tell a civilian airliner from a military aircraft that might be a threat...

    Well, of course, they can, lots of vets who served and operated the same equipment are among them. This would be out of the question, if not irrelevant due to other pieces of evidence.

    GarryB wrote:
    Well the rebels have a record of murdering civilians while trying to hit Ukrainian soldiers... but you have to ask why BUK and not TOPOL?

    Sarcasm does not work if you target it in the wrong direction  Laughing

    GarryB wrote:
    If they could work the missile system to fire it they would need to have been trained in its use which means the IFF system would have told them it was a civilian aircraft.

    Not necessery. To have a working IFF they would need a structure consisting of a C&C vehicle AND launcher, while they MIGHT have a launcher itself. That makes it possible to shoot and aim, but not check the identity.

    Here is more details for the matter.
    The summary in Russian :



    Summary in English :


    and the whole lecture with English translation, if someone is really interested to dig in.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Sep 03, 2021 9:30 pm

    All the evidence he presented could be tempered with, substituted or fabricated.
    Inexperienced crews could assume it was a Ukrainian transport (like those IL-76 & An-26 they dropped before); or the SBU or Western agent planted there could press the button so Russia would be blamed.
    That Spanish ATC allegedly working in Kiev turned out to be fake & disappeared, along with other theories the Russian propaganda floated.
    How Putin makes a "besieged fortress" out of Russia
    https://youtu.be/6PDNaTGeurw

    Khodorkovsky: Putin's regime is not about great Russia, but about yachts, fur storages, palaces. https://youtu.be/RlKxuRMifFk


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    Post  ALAMO Fri Sep 03, 2021 9:36 pm

    Go be stupid somewhere else, would you?

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