Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

hoom wrote:It was rumored but didn't see a confirmation before so didn't post https://vk.com/wall-72814627_102858
Bykov has had a flag raising in Sevastopol today 8th. (pic at link is from Navy day I believe)

Yup, it's delivered

https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/114940/

Continued absence of any pics/video leads me to believe this hasn't actually happened yet.

Edit: https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3451368.html at flag raising for latest Buyan-M Vice-Admiral Alexander Moiseev said

Until the end of December in Novorossiysk, we plan to raise the flag on the new patrol ship "Vasily Bykov"

So it definitely hasn't happened yet.

Could be the reported event was signing the order, misinterpreted as the ceremony happening? We've seen that before.

The Russian Navy will adopt the newest patrol ship on December 20

The ceremony of raising the flag of St. Andrew on the ship "Vasily Bykov" will be held in Novorossiysk

MOSCOW, December 16. / TASS /. On December 20, the Russian Navy (Navy) of the Russian Federation will take in its combat personnel the first newest patrol ship of the project 22160 "Vasily Bykov". This was reported on Saturday in the press service of the Ministry of Defense

The patrol ship of project 22160 "Vasily Bykov" was built at the Zelenodolsk Shipbuilding Plant named after Gorky (Tatarstan) and is designed to protect the territorial waters and the special economic zone, the fight against piracy, rescue operations. Project 22160 ships are capable of a speed of 27 knots, have a displacement of 1500 tons, cruising range is 6000 nautical miles.

As part of the armament of "Vasily Bykov" - 57-mm artillery unit AU-220M, anti-aircraft missile system "Igla", machine guns. The ship provides for the possibility of basing the Ka-27PS helicopter, as well as the deployment of a module with a universal launcher (for Caliber missiles).

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5919472

As part of the armament of "Vasily Bykov" - 57-mm artillery unit AU-220M, anti-aircraft missile system "Igla", machine guns. The ship provides for the possibility of basing the Ka-27PS helicopter, as well as the deployment of a module with a universal launcher (for Caliber missiles).

Except we know & can literally see its got 76mm AK-176MA...

hoom wrote:

As part of the armament of "Vasily Bykov" - 57-mm artillery unit AU-220M, anti-aircraft missile system "Igla", machine guns. The ship provides for the possibility of basing the Ka-27PS helicopter, as well as the deployment of a module with a universal launcher (for Caliber missiles).

Except we know & can literally see its got 76mm AK-176MA...

Also, did anyone see those missile containers?

Are they even installed?

PapaDragon wrote:

hoom wrote:

As part of the armament of "Vasily Bykov" - 57-mm artillery unit AU-220M, anti-aircraft missile system "Igla", machine guns. The ship provides for the possibility of basing the Ka-27PS helicopter, as well as the deployment of a module with a universal launcher (for Caliber missiles).

Except we know & can literally see its got 76mm AK-176MA...

Also, did anyone see those missile containers?

Are they even installed?

Primary mission of 22160 vessels is not anti ship, but patrol in less dangerous waters. Kalibrs would be containerised for quick installation! Usually they will not ship them! Say fitted for, but not with.

She's basically a long-range patrol boat which can be up-gunned with bolt-ons and used to support dedicated combat units if needed.

If you see Russians packing a Bykov with kalibre racks you know that something big is going down...

dino00 wrote:The Russian Navy will adopt the newest patrol ship on December 20

The ceremony of raising the flag of St. Andrew on the ship "Vasily Bykov" will be held in Novorossiysk

MOSCOW, December 16. / TASS /. On December 20, the Russian Navy (Navy) of the Russian Federation will take in its combat personnel the first newest patrol ship of the project 22160 "Vasily Bykov". This was reported on Saturday in the press service of the Ministry of Defense

The patrol ship of project 22160 "Vasily Bykov" was built at the Zelenodolsk Shipbuilding Plant named after Gorky (Tatarstan) and is designed to protect the territorial waters and the special economic zone, the fight against piracy, rescue operations. Project 22160 ships are capable of a speed of 27 knots, have a displacement of 1500 tons, cruising range is 6000 nautical miles.

As part of the armament of "Vasily Bykov" - 57-mm artillery unit AU-220M, anti-aircraft missile system "Igla", machine guns. The ship provides for the possibility of basing the Ka-27PS helicopter, as well as the deployment of a module with a universal launcher (for Caliber missiles).

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5919472

Is it commissioned?

PapaDragon wrote:

hoom wrote:

As part of the armament of "Vasily Bykov" - 57-mm artillery unit AU-220M, anti-aircraft missile system "Igla", machine guns. The ship provides for the possibility of basing the Ka-27PS helicopter, as well as the deployment of a module with a universal launcher (for Caliber missiles).

Except we know & can literally see its got 76mm AK-176MA...

Also, did anyone see those missile containers?

Are they even installed?

Moving civilian containers with kalibr inside could worry nato and intensify tensions. I doubt russia would use such thing in peace time. Even in war time it could mean they prepare nuk attack and it escalate quickly.

IIRC, US had the same idea with tomahawks but decided to not develop such thing. It could be used for a surprise attack from civilian cargo ships with nuks as a first strike. On satelittes you don't know which container contains kalibrs so any ship coukd carry them.

I don't think russia wants to increase tensions that much with US.

Isos wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

hoom wrote:

As part of the armament of "Vasily Bykov" - 57-mm artillery unit AU-220M, anti-aircraft missile system "Igla", machine guns. The ship provides for the possibility of basing the Ka-27PS helicopter, as well as the deployment of a module with a universal launcher (for Caliber missiles).

Except we know & can literally see its got 76mm AK-176MA...

Also, did anyone see those missile containers?

Are they even installed?

Moving civilian containers with kalibr inside could worry nato and intensify tensions. I doubt russia would use such thing in peace time. Even in war time it could mean they prepare nuk attack and it escalate quickly.

IIRC, US had the same idea with tomahawks but decided to not develop such thing. It could be used for a surprise attack from civilian cargo ships with nuks as a first strike. On satelittes you don't know which container contains kalibrs so any ship coukd carry them.

I don't think russia wants to increase tensions that much with US.

Naval missiles are excluded from INF treaty! Standard civil containers cannot be externally distinguished from containers carrying kalibrs.

We are talking about a military ship loading military containers with military missiles. Nothing civil here.

Naval missiles are excluded from INF treaty! Standard civil containers cannot be externally distinguished from containers carrying kalibrs

That's what I said. US can't know if those missiles have nuks or not. They are hidden in a civilian container among thousand of other containers. That would create huge tensions. When a kirov sails you can see it from satelittes when it leaves the port, same for SSBNs. So you can have an idea of what's going on on the seas. But not with a civilian container full of kalibr that may carry nuclear warehead on any cargo ship.

Hole wrote:We are talking about a military ship loading military containers with military missiles. Nothing civil here.

No. We are talking of hidding kalibr in a container that looks like the other thousands of containers present in russian ports.

The container is civilian. At least looks like a civilian container. If they start deploying such containers, no one would know where they are and who carries them.

They can say they are build for this military ship but it can be carried also by any cargo out there and allow a first nuclear strike specially if they make tens of them. So US will deploy some too.

Isos wrote:

Naval missiles are excluded from INF treaty! Standard civil containers cannot be externally distinguished from containers carrying kalibrs

That's what I said. US can't know if those missiles have nuks or not. They are hidden in a civilian container among thousand of other containers. That would create huge tensions. When a kirov sails you can see it from satelittes when it leaves the port, same for SSBNs. So you can have an idea of what's going on on the seas. But not with a civilian container full of kalibr that may carry nuclear warehead on any cargo ship.

Hole wrote:We are talking about a military ship loading military containers with military missiles. Nothing civil here.

No. We are talking of hidding kalibr in a container that looks like the other thousands of containers present in russian ports.

The container is civilian. At least looks like a civilian container. If they start deploying such containers, no one would know where they are and who carries them.

They can say they are build for this military ship but it can be carried also by any cargo out there and allow a first nuclear strike specially if they make tens of them. So US will deploy some too.

It would be impossible to find missile container among classic 40ft/60ft containers and it would be impossible to prove the fact of their existence and whereabouts. Very sticky.

Well the other point is that this sort of vessel could carry a standard shipping container anyway... they also have a drone helo UAV that is operated from a standard civilian shipping crate so they might have that in the crate... or they could have extra food and fuel and ammo for a long deployment there... or it could have Kh-35s or Kalibrs or a range of different options... the west will not know for sure... and that is the point... keep them guessing.

I would carry around an empty crate just to keep them guessing... they are bound to think the worst and assume it is a missile system... civilian shipping containers are very versatile and flexible... and can be transferred and swapped at sea via supply ships with large enough cranes...

A rather clever idea it is... perhaps they need an Iskander type missile with a longer two stage weapon with a range of 2,000-3,000km for naval use... with the INF treaty going it could be carried by truck and ship and aircraft and even train and launched almost anywhere.

They have created a very clever idea, but really need to implement it for it to be effective to get the US to the negotiating table...

That would lead to no discussion but an arm race. That's too much. And russia doesn't want that. US can't know what is deployed but they can know what is produced. If they discover that russia produce such container for UAV it's ok but if they find out they put kalibr inside or new iskander it's gonna be too much.

I was asking about containers with Kh-35 not Kalibr

Bykov was supposed to get those, next one was supposed to get Kalibr

Isos wrote:That would lead to no discussion but an arm race. That's too much. And russia doesn't want that. US can't know what is deployed but they can know what is produced. If they discover that russia produce such container for UAV it's ok but if they find out they put kalibr inside or new iskander it's gonna be too much.

It`s not a question whether Russia wants that or not. Russia doesn`t want arms race, it`s obvious. But, in our world, where all regulations, every sign of viable international law is simply spitted/shitted on, Russia has no other solution except to defend itself. There is no international law as it was 30-40 years ago. There is only a limbo of pure and brute force. Russia can survive that, but the "West" of our time has become pure nest of bolshewism, fascist and other oppressive ideas. There is no censorship in Russia in a way it nowadays exists in the West. Pure downfall of all christian values. Homosexualism, atheism, zoophylia, etc. are propagated as something completely normal. Let it be, for them. We, orthodox schismatics, we, traditional and moral SCUM of the OLD, decrepit christian civilisation (according to them), we are against such a point of view! I am a christianed soul, I find their views disgusting and morally undesirable!

PapaDragon wrote:
I was asking about containers with Kh-35 not Kalibr

Bykov was supposed to get those, next one was supposed to get Kalibr

I think Bykov will be fitted for, but not with Urans. It would be better to reserve place for kalibrs, as much more perspective weapon than Uran, which is Harpoon - only of russian recipe!

No treaty prevents the production or use of sea-borne cruise missiles.

Hole wrote:No treaty prevents the production or use of sea-borne cruise missiles.

Perfectly right! INF treaty doesn`t comprise naval missiles, either coast or deck mounted.

That would lead to no discussion but an arm race. That's too much. And russia doesn't want that. US can't know what is deployed but they can know what is produced. If they discover that russia produce such container for UAV it's ok but if they find out they put kalibr inside or new iskander it's gonna be too much.

Fuck the west... it thinks it does not need to talk or negotiate, so let them stew... what they need is a good scare... the EU much more than the US, because the EU thinks the US will protect them and it clearly wont.

I was asking about containers with Kh-35 not Kalibr

Bykov was supposed to get those, next one was supposed to get Kalibr

The point is that they should produce an enormous variety of systems from UAVs, to storage, to all sorts of missile options based on these standard crates...

By having spaces for crates instead of fitting weapons systems it is more flexible and makes the vessels rather more multirole.

We, orthodox schismatics, we, traditional and moral SCUM of the OLD, decrepit christian civilisation (according to them), we are against such a point of view! I am a christianed soul, I find their views disgusting and morally undesirable!

Only a matter of time before we are told child molesting is a disease and they need help rather than punishment... I mean if you can't help that you like other men, how can you help if you like little boys?

I am an athiest and I don't like the way the west is going.

I don't think gays or others should be persecuted, but they should not also be promoted either.

Minorities are taking too much control.

No treaty prevents the production or use of sea-borne cruise missiles.

Or sea or air launched ballistic missiles...