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    Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

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    Post  walle83 Sat Jun 18, 2022 10:43 pm

    The Russian navy orderd a ocean going patrol ship and that is what they recieved. No point to complain about it now.

    If they want Air and land attack capabilities you have Buyan, Karakurt and Steregushchies.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:24 am

    caveat emptor wrote:
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    Then just order more 20380s insted.

    The whole point of the 22160 was to create a medium sized vessel that could free up larger vessels from pirate fighting and sea patroling.
    Exactly. If you add VLS cells and Tor,  it is not a patrol ship anymore.

    but as real life proved those ships need AAD in every case. Can it be a corvette? well not without all 4 diesels but then why not especially that this ship is significantly cheaper then 20380.
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    Post  caveat emptor Sun Jun 19, 2022 2:11 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    caveat emptor wrote:
    walle83 wrote:

    Then just order more 20380s insted.

    The whole point of the 22160 was to create a medium sized vessel that could free up larger vessels from pirate fighting and sea patroling.
    Exactly. If you add VLS cells and Tor,  it is not a patrol ship anymore.

    but as real life proved those ships need AAD in every case. Can it be a corvette? well not without all 4 diesels but then why not especially that this ship is significantly cheaper then 20380.
    You need to add more capable radar and electronics. Big chunk of cost for 20380 is Zaslon radar. And you'll lose long patrol range. A lot of space for this ship was intended for extra supplies it needs during deployments.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:46 am

    caveat emptor wrote:
    You need to add more capable radar and electronics. Big chunk of cost for 20380 is Zaslon radar. And you'll lose long patrol range. A lot of space for this ship was intended for extra supplies it needs during deployments.

    The question is how much range ship would lost vs. range of 20380. Same with price - 20380 used to cost (6bill rubles) vs 2billions Rubles for 22160. Would it still be that different after mounting all this extra avionics? idk.

    Or better we will see how plans regarding 22160 evolve.


    22160 will get Tor anyway this was already stated by Russian navy. bounce bounce bounce
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    Post  GarryB Sun Jun 19, 2022 6:10 am

    Exactly. If you add VLS cells and Tor, it is not a patrol ship anymore.

    True, but if they moved the helicopter hangar back to closer to the rear the middle section could be left free for modular use for a range of options... perhaps a second helicopter, or a launch structure for extra missiles, or some sort of EW station, or even a naval infantry section with troops accomodated for use in the helicopter deployment and also zodiac type roles or divers.

    The current use with the pad at the rear with a flat open space that has to be kept clear to get the helicopter to and from the pad from the hangar is not very efficient in terms of the use of space.

    You could flatten the tops of each side of the corridor and have the surface of the corridor as a lift, so instead of a rear mounted pad and a long corridor and then a hangar in the front of the ship you could move the helicopter out of the hangar and while in the corridor raise it up a deck level and have the helicopter pad as part of the corridor. That would leave the entire rear of the ship where the helicopter pad is currently located for a range of options including missiles or speed boats or containers etc etc.

    Either way... they ordered the boats and they approved the designs and they have decided they don't want any more... not a big deal.... that sort of thing happens.

    The point is that the fact that they are testng TOR on these vessels suggests they are making a new less bulky model designed for operations on smaller lighter vessels... the cold launch and cheap command guided missiles are ideal for 360 degree coverage no matter when the launch tubes are located.

    The extra cost of the AESA radars will likely pay off with better situational awareness and the new mini TOR missiles for anti drone use will equally be valuable too, though obviously some sort of mass produced laser anti drone system would be valuable too.

    Saying not every Russian ship needs to be an air defence vessel ignores Russian Naval and Army policy on air defence... which is not to ignore it and leave it to the Air Force to solve.

    The new 10-20kg missiles for self defence to be used in enormous numbers might be fitted to all sorts of land, sea, and air platforms.

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    Post  Krepost Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:56 pm

    SERGEY KOTOV (4th unit of the class) is now part of the Navy:

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    Post  George1 Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:02 pm

    Patrol ship "Sergey Kotov" (serial number 164) is the fourth project 22160 ship built for the Russian Navy, and the second one built at Zaliv Shipbuilding Plant LLC in Kerch.

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    Post  kumbor Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:44 pm



    Ships of this class were projected as OPVs, but they are used as full-scale light frigates. They lack a sonar suite, more powerful radar, ECMs, and better AA defence. Mounting army Tor in place of a helo is stupid.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:41 am

    Ships of this class were projected as OPVs, but they are used as full-scale light frigates. They lack a sonar suite, more powerful radar, ECMs, and better AA defence. Mounting army Tor in place of a helo is stupid.

    It is only for testing to see if such ships are stable enough for a clean launch... if it works out OK they will have to integrate the electronics and sensors on the boat... likely by adding AESA radar antennas to the ship structure... then TOR launch bins can be placed on most parts of open deck... but not on the Helicopter pad of course so the helicopter can continue to be used.

    It was just simpler and cheaper to use a ground based TOR system on a TOR tracked vehicle chassis but with the wheels and tracks removed and tied down with cables on the tie down points that helicopter pads all have.

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