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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:18 pm

    AMCXXL wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:Phantom pains: Ukraine recalls the glory of Nikolaev shipbuilding
    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2674842.html

    Shipbuilding in Nilkolayev:
    Up: Soviet Ukraine
    Down: The new and modern Ukraine
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    Thanks to the construction of the Nibulon terminal, owned by Alexei Vadatursky, the wall of the Black Sea Shipbuilding Plant was cut. ChSZ possessed the longest wall for the construction of large ships, several hundred meters long. The Vadatursky terminal for receiving grain was built exactly in the middle of this wall and in fact forever deprived the ChSZ of the opportunity to even start thinking about building ships. Perhaps the fact that Alexander Wadatursky was allowed to become one of the largest grain traders in the West was connected with the destruction of this wall, ”says Shesler.


    Yeah, I read about it... what a waste... do you believe it would be eventually possible in the future to dismantle the grain terminal and "repair" the dry dock, or it would be more expensive than starting from scratches?

    I tend to believe that they did that because they knew that about half Nikolaev population sees Russia with a positive eye and did not want that, in case of a reunification Russia could get a large shipyard, even if long neglected, for free (like it was the case for Zaliv shipyard in Kerch, Crimea)
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    Post  kvs on Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:09 pm

    AMCXXL wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:Phantom pains: Ukraine recalls the glory of Nikolaev shipbuilding
    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2674842.html

    Shipbuilding in Nilkolayev:
    Up: Soviet Ukraine
    Down: The new and modern Ukraine
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    Serves them right, the hater ingrates.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Feb 16, 2020 2:29 am

    AMCXXL wrote:....
    Shipbuilding in Nilkolayev:
    Up: Soviet Ukraine
    Down: The new and modern Ukraine
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    What is the ship in upper left?

    One on the right is Kuznetzov?

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Feb 16, 2020 3:19 am

    L- the Varyag, now Liaoning (CV/CNS-16); R- the Adm K.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Feb 16, 2020 4:23 am

    Yeah, I read about it... what a waste... do you believe it would be eventually possible in the future to dismantle the grain terminal and "repair" the dry dock, or it would be more expensive than starting from scratches?

    It is Ukraines problem now... maybe they could sell tickets to Americans to go and play paintball there... might as well use the place for something useful.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:00 pm

    The Ukrainian fleet will receive American decommissioned warships, and the United States Navy will take care of the training of crews. The first four patrol boats for the coast guard have already been allocated to Ukraine, but their repair and delivery to the recipient were somewhat delayed. Negotiations are underway to provide Independent ships with a slightly larger tonnage than patrol boats. We are talking about corvettes, frigates, and even destroyers.
    http://nvo.ng.ru/nvoevents/2020-03-07/100_200307news6.html?print=Y
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:46 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:The Ukrainian fleet will receive American decommissioned warships, and the United States Navy will take care of the training of crews. The first four patrol boats for the coast guard have already been allocated to Ukraine, but their repair and delivery to the recipient were somewhat delayed. Negotiations are underway to provide Independent ships with a slightly larger tonnage than patrol boats. We are talking about corvettes, frigates, and even destroyers.
    http://nvo.ng.ru/nvoevents/2020-0307/100_200307news6.html?print=Y
    For being patrol boats they are not too bad..however i thought that they could at least build those in the ukraine... you know corvettes are already too complex, but patrol boats...and as far as destroyers you can just laugh.

    By the way, i did not know that the US navy had corvettes... they have in reserve still several oliver perry class frigates, and while in my opinion not on par with the Krivak frigates they are not too bad, especially for the Ukrainian navy... beggars can't choose...


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    Post  GarryB on Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:32 am

    And how much will they cost the Ukraine to maintain and operate... nothing is free...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:09 am

    They'll sell/lease a lot of land soon, & Canada & others may help in defraying the costs. It'll be cheaper than sending their own ships to the Black Sea. But no matter what ships r transferred, in the next 15-20 years, if not sooner, they all will end up in scrapyards &/ captured by the VMF.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Thu Jun 11, 2020 9:29 pm

    https://polit.info/497377-deputat-rady-skorokhod-rasskazala-kak-nikolaevskii-sudostroitelnyi-zavod-rezhut-na-metall

    Nikolaev shipyard "Okean" is being cut into scrap metal...
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:55 am

    Earlier, the leader of the movement "Essence of time" Sergey Kurginyan said that Ukraine has lost the opportunity to create truly great things, having fallen into the colonial slavery of the United States.

    Says it all really...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:49 pm

    US plans to ship up to 16 patrol boats and light guns to Ukraine
    22:00 06/17/2020 Source: Information Agency of Russia "TASS"

    The United States plans to supply Ukraine with up to 16 Mark VI ("Mark-6") patrol boats and associated armaments and military equipment totaling about $ 600 million. This was reported on Wednesday by the relevant government department, part of the US Department of Defense. It is responsible for delivering military equipment and weapons abroad under intergovernmental contracts, promoting ties between the US Armed Forces and other countries, and providing financial and technical assistance to Washington’s foreign defense partners.
    The United States plans to transfer to Ukraine under the contract, including 32 light MSI Seahawk A2 guns, 20 MK44 guns, 20 optoelectronic and infrared radars, communications equipment and more.

    https://www.ng.ru/news/681980.html?print=Y

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_VI_patrol_boat

    Apparently the USN hasn't much use for them anymore. The Ukr. navy is essentially a coast guard just like Bulgarian, Romanian & Georgian navies; it will never get past that stage.
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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:39 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    Apparently the USN hasn't much use for them anymore. The Ukr. navy is essentially a coast guard just like Bulgarian, Romanian & Georgian navies; it will never get past that stage.

    This is a brand new build with different armament (30mm compared to US's 25mm) to existing US boats. The US's Mk VIs, which started entering service in 2016, have displacements of 72 tons, a top speed of around 45 knots, and range of up of 750 nautical miles at a cruising speed of 25 knots.

    So these are not, unlike the US Coastguard cutter gift to Ukraine, cast offs. At this stage it is a potential sale.

    You have to smile at the U.S. military's Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) press release, my highlight.

    "This proposed sale will support the foreign policy goals and national security objectives of the United States by improving the security of a partner country that is a force for political stability and economic progress in Europe," DSCA noted. "The proposed sale will improve Ukraine’s capability to meet current and future threats by providing a modern, fast, short-range vessel. Ukraine will utilize the vessels to better defend its territorial waters and protect other maritime interests."


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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:45 pm

    https://ria.ru/20200623/1573336306.html?in=t

    Let them provoke Russia again& end up like those 2 interned boats in Kerch. Next time, they won't be returned.

    https://strana.ua/news/274593-kak-sbu-vyzhivaet-iz-ukrainskoho-flota-urozhentsev-kryma.html



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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Aug 29, 2020 5:03 am

    [MOSCOW, August 28 - RIA Novosti, Andrey Kots. Sailors from foggy Albion will have a difficult task: to turn the degrading military fleet of Ukraine into a real combat force. During a recent visit to Kiev, British Defense Secretary Ben Wallace announced that London will lead an international training program for the Navy. According to him, Ukraine needs to be protected from "Moscow's aggression" and made capable of withstanding the Russian Black Sea Fleet. About whether this is real - in the material of RIA Novosti.  According to Wallace, Canada, Denmark and Sweden will help to revive the Ukrainian Navy. In addition, the United States and possibly other states will provide support. Ukrainian sailors will be trained in navigation, operational planning, diving, naval reconnaissance, fire training and ship damage control.Wallace added that soon British military "pennants" will come to the Black Sea for joint exercises with Ukraine. 

    [/i]https://ria.ru/20200828/vmsu-1576384285.html
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:28 am

    Can't wait till some r captured by Russians after a new provo/confrontation!
    https://nvo.ng.ru/armament/2020-09-03/5_1107_factor.html?print=Y
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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:24 pm

    Our Government must be crazy

    KYIV (Reuters) - Ukraine will sign a memorandum with the United Kingdom, securing 1.25 billion pounds ($1.61 billion) to build new military vessels for the Ukrainian Navy, President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said on Wednesday.

    The memorandum would be signed during Zelenskiy’s state visit to the UK on Oct. 7-8.

    “This is an important strategic document ... we will sign this memorandum for the amount of 1.25 billion pounds,” Zelenskiy told local television, without giving further details.

    Specialised military news agencies have said the funds would be in the form of a 10-year loan and allow the UK to provide 8 Barzan-class fast attack crafts to Ukraine.

    They said the first two ships would be constructed in the UK with the remaining 6 vessels to be completed in Ukraine.


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    Post  kvs on Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:43 pm

    So Banderastan will be able to terrorize fishing boats. For sure it will not be able to engage the Russian navy.

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    Post  Isos on Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:59 pm

    Destroyed country and economy and they still plan to give UK 1.6 billion $ for useless boats.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:57 am

    JohninMK wrote:Our Government must be crazy...

    So 6 ships with 580 tons, 1 x OTO Melara 76mm, 1 x 30mm Goalkeeper, 2 x Exocet and 1 x Mistral 6-cell launcher?

    1.61 billion bucks just for that? That's like 270 million per one obsolete bathtub that RN isn't even using themselves

    Marocco got a whole FREMM-class frigate for the price of two of those booze cruise boats

    John you are wrong about this one, I would say that your government is not only definitely not crazy but also very smart thumbsup

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:03 am

    The UK scoring big bucks for that crap? daaaaaaam credit to them.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:13 am

    Our Government must be crazy

    History shows the UK government will sell weapons to anyone who has the money to pay.... ask the people of Yemen...
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:03 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:The UK scoring big bucks for that crap? daaaaaaam credit to them.

    Does anyone think we will actually get any of the money back, its a loan to a financially crippled country?

    We have far better uses for the money here. The two ships we are building here or a few updated hospitals? We are not the US with the World's reserve currency able to just print a few million more $.

    Also we don't know if the armament on the boats sold to the ME will be on these, it might be updated.

    The RN doesn't use them because they are too heavily armed for use around the UK since there is little risk of anyone attacking us. We just need fishery patrol and migrant stopping ships.
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    Post  Isos on Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:12 pm

    No money back but they will have their word to say in Ukrainian politics and economy. Untill they vote for a pro russian government again...
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:20 pm

    Isos wrote:No money back but they will have their word to say in Ukrainian politics and economy. Untill they vote for a pro russian government again...

    I doubt that $1.6B in these ships gets the UK much in Ukrainian politics. Take out the cost of the UK built pair minus the actual construction cost inc imported parts (most of the ship) and there probably isn't a lot left for politics lubrication by the shipyard owner.

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