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    Post  kvs Wed Jul 07, 2021 9:39 pm

    Mission accomplished for the Banderite de-communizers and Russian "occupation" legacy deleters.

    Funny how there is no actual history of a state called Ukraine even during the 1700s. Every single historical claim by this ludicrous concoction
    is about stealing Russian history. Kievan Rus was no Ukraine. And Prince Vladimir was not an Ukr. Much like Alexander the Great was no
    FYROMian Slav. Pathetic people trying to create a national mythos to justify their "identity".

    You know Banderastan is a failed state when it takes Turkey to build ships in its bankrupt shipyards. Where is all that chauvinist pride you
    c*nts? Prove to the Moskals how superior you are.

    But that would take actual effort and character. It is so much easier to just grift and make up historical fiction to stroke the ego.

    No way in Hell should Russia support this tar baby. Let NATzO wipe its bum day in and day out.

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    Post  Hole Wed Jul 07, 2021 9:49 pm

    Had they taken the Russian offer back in the early 2000´s the country would still be a industrial power house. How dumb can someone be? That reminds me of the bomber saga in the 90´s as Russia offered 50 or even 100 Mio. for one plane but the morons deceided to sell only a handful and let the rest be destroyed by the americans for which the received a few millions per plane. cry

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Wed Jul 07, 2021 9:54 pm

    kvs wrote:Mission accomplished for the Banderite de-communizers and Russian "occupation" legacy deleters.  

    Funny how there is no actual history of a state called Ukraine even during the 1700s.   Every single historical claim by this ludicrous concoction
    is about stealing Russian history.   Kievan Rus was no Ukraine.   And Prince Vladimir was not an Ukr.   Much like Alexander the Great was no
    FYROMian Slav.   Pathetic people trying to create a national mythos to justify their "identity".

    You know Banderastan is a failed state when it takes Turkey to build ships in its bankrupt shipyards.   Where is all that chauvinist pride you
    c*nts?  Prove to the Moskals how superior you are.

    But that would take actual effort and character.   It is so much easier to just grift and make up historical fiction to stroke the ego.  

    No way in Hell should Russia support this tar baby.   Let NATzO wipe its bum day in and day out.

       

    Well some "not entirely mentally stable people" from country 404 are accusing the "moskai" to have stolen from them the name of the country, and do not want to refer to their eastern neighbor as Russia Shocked


    Anyway, the fate of all those previously successfully industries are am example of the capabilities of independent Ukraine.
    I also believe that the fate of the last Slava class cruiser is a perfect example of the country that bear the same name.

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    Post  flamming_python Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:09 am

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    kvs wrote:Mission accomplished for the Banderite de-communizers and Russian "occupation" legacy deleters.  

    Funny how there is no actual history of a state called Ukraine even during the 1700s.   Every single historical claim by this ludicrous concoction
    is about stealing Russian history.   Kievan Rus was no Ukraine.   And Prince Vladimir was not an Ukr.   Much like Alexander the Great was no
    FYROMian Slav.   Pathetic people trying to create a national mythos to justify their "identity".

    You know Banderastan is a failed state when it takes Turkey to build ships in its bankrupt shipyards.   Where is all that chauvinist pride you
    c*nts?  Prove to the Moskals how superior you are.

    But that would take actual effort and character.   It is so much easier to just grift and make up historical fiction to stroke the ego.  

    No way in Hell should Russia support this tar baby.   Let NATzO wipe its bum day in and day out.

       

    Well some "not entirely mentally stable people" from country 404 are accusing the "moskai" to have stolen from them the name of the country, and do not want to refer to their eastern neighbor as Russia Shocked


    Anyway, the fate of all those previously successfully industries are am example of the capabilities of independent Ukraine.
    I also believe that the fate of the last Slava class cruiser is a perfect example of the country that bear the same name.

    They really are a bunch of third-rate, discount, low-powered smoochers, aren't they

    They grabbed everything they could carry and everything they can't.

    Not satisfied with inheriting nearly an entire 1/3rd of the Soviet industry, they came away with the Crimea too. They even tried to hijack the Alrosa submarine and grab that too for crying out loud.

    And all for what? To doom it all to rust and decay - that which they couldn't sell to the West to please their new masters, at any rate? They were sure they'd have a seat on the table after that. But they were judged unworthy, clearly. Prohibitive quotas on their exports, forced into policies that prevent them from protecting their own industries - even Zelensky has been complaining that KrAZ is bankrupt due to the EU not allowing him to prefer it with domestic orders. And forget about EU or NATO membership.

    It's like some sort of mass hypnosis. And the hangover they all subconsciously understand, will be so heavy, that they're seeking to delay it as long as possible and keep themselves wrapped in delusion instead.

    Well what can I say. Never again. Never again feed the monstrous Ukrainian ego with any sort of state investment, orders, new industries, anything. They want independence, they can have it. There is nothing for Russia there. The place is going to become a barely-literate agrarian colony and return to its 19th century roots. Good riddance.
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    Post  ALAMO Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:16 am

    Hole wrote:Had they taken the Russian offer back in the early 2000´s the country would still be a industrial power house. How dumb can someone be? That reminds me of the bomber saga in the 90´s as Russia offered 50 or even 100 Mio. for one plane but the morons deceided to sell only a handful and let the rest be destroyed by the americans for which the received a few millions per plane. cry


    First of all, the Russians were not interested in the whole set, as some of them were hardly worth any attention. A special commission was investigating all the frames left at Priluki.
    They only took the Ch-55 whole stock, that was about 500 missiles if I remember correctly.
    And technically speaking, they were not offered cash, but gas debt reduction instead.
    You can not steal debt reduction, so the offer was not in the interest of Ukrainian deciders Laughing Laughing

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:57 pm

    The UK has provided Ukraine with tens of millions of pounds-worth of security assistance, deployed troops in the country and recently sailed a warship into Russian territorial waters off Crimea, claiming that it was conducting “innocent passage” through “Ukrainian waters.”

    Rolls-Royce has reportedly opted out of a contract to supply Ukraine with waterjets for Kiev’s Centaur-class fast assault craft at the last minute.

    Yuri Biryukov, an advisor to former Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko, claims the British company pulled out of the contract to supply the waterjets just five days before their expected delivery, citing a lack of permission from authorities to export dual-use goods to Ukraine. Biryukov suggested that Rolls-Royce apparently has no problems supplying waterjets to Russia for its Raptor high-speed patrol boats. He went on to complain that the two competed Centaur-class boats are yet to be accepted into service years after being finished, apparently because the Defence Ministry has refused to create a commission to do so.

    Ukraine’s Defence Ministry has characterised its Centaur-class patrol craft as a “worthy response” to the “much slower” and “outdated” ships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. However, the head of the Kiev-based Ukrainian Military Centre NGO has suggested that the ships could not be commissioned due to their “poor quality” and “unfinished” state, and apparent inability to float on an even keel while stationary.

    The patrol boats were built at the once-legendary Kuznya na Rybalskomu shipbuilding plant, owned by Poroshenko, who is one of Ukraine’s wealthiest men. Earlier this month, the head of the plant and Ukraine’s former deputy minister of defence were caught up in a scandal over the delivery of shoddy equipment to the military –including as it related to Centaur-class patrol boats.

    Ukraine’s Navy formally has two Centaurs in its inventory, with both launched in September 2018, but yet to be commissioned. A third boat is under construction, with plans to build as many as five more.


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    Post  d_taddei2 Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:52 pm

    The UK's HMS Blyth and HMS Ramsey mine hunters being transferred to Ukraine

    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/hms-blyth-and-hms-ramsey-being-transferred-to-ukraine/

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Aug 06, 2021 7:39 pm

    Hole wrote:Had they taken the Russian offer back in the early 2000´s the country would still be a industrial power house. How dumb can someone be? That reminds me of the bomber saga in the 90´s as Russia offered 50 or even 100 Mio. for one plane but the morons deceided to sell only a handful and let the rest be destroyed by the americans for which the received a few millions per plane. cry


    Russia was no in position to make Ukraine a powerhouse during the early 2000's....
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    Post  Azi Fri Aug 06, 2021 8:25 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Hole wrote:Had they taken the Russian offer back in the early 2000´s the country would still be a industrial power house. How dumb can someone be? That reminds me of the bomber saga in the 90´s as Russia offered 50 or even 100 Mio. for one plane but the morons deceided to sell only a handful and let the rest be destroyed by the americans for which the received a few millions per plane. cry


    Russia was no in position to make Ukraine a powerhouse during the early 2000's....
    Russia was not able to lift Ukraine to a powerhouse, but to give Ukraine a solid economic stand.

    Look now at Ukraine...it's the poorest country in Europe. Exports to Russia sank from 25 % to 5 %. The economy shrank in 2014 by -7 % and in 2015 by -10 %...in contrast to Russia only -2 % in 2015. But hey okay...the are aligned with the US and A and all the fairy tales from US and A seems to make Ukrops very happy. Their epic fight of the western slavic Übermensch gainst the Muskovites Untermensch demon hordes from the far east LOL!

    To be really honest...Ukraine was destroyed by itself, it let western NGO's roaming freely for decades spreading nationalism and misinformation...creating a new history of "glorious Ukraine". They didn't think of the economic relations to Russia, far deeper and more solid than all the fairy tales and misinformation from western countries. Western countries spend only money for military equipment and "democratic reforms" letting the ordinary Ukrainians living in shit.

    One of my favorite examples is making Ukraine independant from russian gas! So the western countries buyed gas from Russia and sold it to Ukraine for a higher price ;D LOL that's great and lovely!!!! Real Chuzpe! Real friends! Prior Ukraine was getting a discount on russian gas and they were sometimes not able to pay these reduced prices ;D LOL.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat Aug 07, 2021 11:30 am

    My remark was about the early 2000's not now, even right now Russia would have a hard time turning Ukraine into some powerhouse.

    The economics just ain't there. It's fair to say it would have been better off yes but to suggest it would have turned into some economic superpower under the Russians by this time or the early 2000's is just factual wrong.
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    Post  d_taddei2 Sat Aug 07, 2021 12:45 pm

    Having visited Ukraine in 2009, 2014, and 2019, the general feeling is that Ukraine has suffered since 2014. We all know how much trade Ukraine did with Russia its was well over 50% and Various sources will report varying % depending on which sector they look at. Kiev is the only part of Ukraine that had slightly benefitted and thats mainly the main square which was lightly renovated after maidan protests although one large building in the square is still a burnt out shell. The prices in Kiev have also went up. And many soviet monuments have been removed, reducing tourists to only look at the main attractions and empty plinths.

    Ukrainians took the risk thinking by abandoning Russia the EU and USA would pump money into Ukraine and utopia would follow, they had dreams of being like a western European country overnight. We all know that never happened, and gas prices shot up to the point some people turned to burning wood to warm in small villages and towns. Anyway what I know is it didn't turn out how the Ukrainian population thought it would have turned out to be, and unemployment is bad especially outside of Kiev. Ukrainians thought they would have been immediately thought they would be accepted into NATO and EU without much change, I don't think Ukraine realises how far behind it is compared to EU standards and how many changes would need to take place and changes they wouldn't want or accept, and the cost to businesses to implement.

    In Crimea as is expected during a transition phrase that teething problems occurred electricity and water being the main issues. Crimea is still a beautiful place and the population initially saw a rise is some costs, generally they seem happy believe it or not they told me the corruption is less and things seem to get done and professionalism is better in reference to government functions. My friend Yuri ex Soviet INT officer based on a submarine in his day, told me his pension tripled when transition embedded in. In 2009 many crimeans wanted to be part of Russia seeing as life would be better than what it currently had.

    What I do agree with is Russia wasn't going to be a solution to Ukrainian economy, but Russia did help a lot to keep Ukraine a float. And with Ukraine now leaning towards the west had been detrimental to its economy. large parts of Ukraines economy was geared to supply similar countries (ex Soviet ex Warsaw pact). Ukraine would have been better playing a balancing act between EU and Russia, instead it tipped the scales fully towards the west and ended up a disastrous for the economy. As well drummed up hate which never existed before 2014.

    But now it's happened, Ukraine is living on handouts and needs billions and maybe even trillions of investment (which will be very slow due to corruption levels) and it will take decades not 1-3 years as the Ukrainians had hoped for.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Aug 07, 2021 12:52 pm

    Now decommissioned, no longer HMS ships. They may be smallish and old but as really solid ships they will be a significant addition to the UkN, almost certainly not as minesweepers.

    Never knew that ships were filled with milometers like cars etc, wonder if that is nautical miles  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing

    Will be interesting to see them in Ukrainian spec to give a glimpse at what is currently being stripped out. Even its main gun is the wrong spec for UkN ammo.


    The two sister ships were decommissioned in Rosyth during a poignant service marking their long service around the globe.

    Both Sandown-class mine countermeasures vessels have served extensively during careers spanning 21 years and 175,000 miles for Ramsey, 185,000 miles over 20 years for Blyth, supporting operations in the Middle East, around the UK or on NATO duties in northern European and Mediterranean waters.

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    Blyth and Ramsey meanwhile will enjoy a fresh lease of life in the Black Sea. Once further work is completed on the two vessels, they’ll be transferred to the Ukrainian Navy.


    https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/news/2021/august/04/20210804-ramsey-blyth

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    Post  d_taddei2 Sat Aug 07, 2021 2:01 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Now decommissioned, no longer HMS ships. They may be smallish and old but as really solid ships they will be a significant addition to the UkN, almost certainly not as minesweepers.

    Never knew that ships were filled with milometers like cars etc, wonder if that is nautical miles  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing

    Will be interesting to see them in Ukrainian spec to give a glimpse at what is currently being stripped out. Even its main gun is the wrong spec for UkN ammo.


    The two sister ships were decommissioned in Rosyth during a poignant service marking their long service around the globe.

    Both Sandown-class mine countermeasures vessels have served extensively during careers spanning 21 years and 175,000 miles for Ramsey, 185,000 miles over 20 years for Blyth, supporting operations in the Middle East, around the UK or on NATO duties in northern European and Mediterranean waters.

    ......................................................

    Blyth and Ramsey meanwhile will enjoy a fresh lease of life in the Black Sea. Once further work is completed on the two vessels, they’ll be transferred to the Ukrainian Navy.


    https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/news/2021/august/04/20210804-ramsey-blyth

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    Already posted oops.

    Will they continue as mine hunters or will Ukraine turn them into something like a corvette ship.
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Aug 07, 2021 2:07 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:Already posted oops.

    Will they continue as mine hunters or will Ukraine turn them into something like a corvette ship.

    Sorry about that, didn't spot your post. But in defence I did link to the original source and post the cute rear view piccy.

    Some interesting comments at your link.

    I suspect they will follow RuN practice and load them with as much weaponry as they can fit in.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Aug 08, 2021 6:34 am

    One of my favorite examples is making Ukraine independant from russian gas! So the western countries buyed gas from Russia and sold it to Ukraine for a higher price ;D LOL that's great and lovely!!!! Real Chuzpe! Real friends! Prior Ukraine was getting a discount on russian gas and they were sometimes not able to pay these reduced prices ;D LOL.

    They are trying the same thing on Germany and the EU... don't buy evil Russian aggression juice.... take our freedom gas... in other words don't fund Russian growth and development, fund our growth and development.

    But now it's happened, Ukraine is living on handouts and needs billions and maybe even trillions of investment (which will be very slow due to corruption levels) and it will take decades not 1-3 years as the Ukrainians had hoped for.

    Their fundamental problem is that they cut off their main and primary customer... and for no good reason other than the US and EU demanded it.

    The pivotal moment was the offer from the EU and the offer from the Russians... as far as the Russians were concerned their offer was not exclusive, but from the EU and US side theirs was.

    They made the correct choice and then the west regime changed them into taking the wrong choice and the wrong choice has been hitching themselves up to the EU wagon because the Ukraine has no value to the EU economically... anything good they have like engines or rocket technology is new competition for existing EU companies so those respective countries governments are going to do all they can to destroy anything in the Ukraine that could damage their monopoly within the EU. Ask any business owner what it would mean to them in hard times to cut themselves off from 60% of their best customers for no good reason.

    Russian investment is still the bulk of the money going in to the Ukraine right now... of course I don't count loans because that all has to be paid back with interest.

    The situation in the Ukraine now is a good example of how imperial European powers treat other bits of territory... and that is how they see it... bits of territory with resources there. They are not going to spend money building it up and fixing things... they would rather fix the problems in their own countries first and they are not even doing that... they have no kinship, no connection to Ukrainians except that they both fear and hate Russians... divide and conquer...

    The amusing thing is that it will all be Russias fault... they didn't fight hard enough to save us, or they tricked us into going this way...

    The simple fact is that in the early 2000s very few Russians had very much to be proud of and possibly would have jumped at the fast track ticket to EU and even HATO membership, confidence in the Russian military was at a serious low, and in many regards for good reason... they had not been funded properly like most things.

    But put smart people in charge... Putin didn't work alone, and of course a lot of hard work and the transformation has been dramatic... one could say the split happened in 2014, but it was happening long before that... the Ukraine took the Russian deal because it was by far and away the best offer of the two... there was no way you could call the government and leadership of the time pro Russian in any way shape or form... they were hostile to Russia... but not moron ideological zealots like those that have followed... and those in both parties in the US.

    Opposition parties in the UK and France seem to be open to working with Putin, whereas neither parties in the US could go forward with such a policy... look at what happened to Trump... he changed direction like a spinning top. Of course the irony is that Biden is essentially moving forward with most of the same policies but no criticism at all... the man can do no wrong and comedians and media fear criticising him... perhaps they expect him to drop dead at any minute.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Aug 08, 2021 6:37 am

    Or is the game to give them old western ships to transition them to western calibres... with the British hoping to get another customer for British calibre naval guns...

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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:52 am

    The first photo of the Neptune missile defense system of the Ukrainian Navy on the Tatra chassis.
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    Post  d_taddei2 Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:39 pm

    Russian_Patriot_ wrote:The first photo of the Neptune missile defense system of the Ukrainian Navy on the Tatra chassis.
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    Looks alright, but effectively an imporoved KH-35, but will it be built in enough quantities, they had issues with radar guidance.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:55 am

    Well you can't really say they have improved the Kh-35... we don't know what they say its specs are.

    We have seen their Kh-35 with some hokey half arsed solid rocket booster to launch the weapon from stationary platforms like a ship or a truck... no where near as nice and aerodynamic as the one the Soviets had and Russians have that is also used for slow flying aircraft use like helicopters and light aircraft...

    Lets just say it is A version of what has been in Soviet use since the mid 1980s... I think the first application was on East German ships that were too small for their other anti ship missiles which were huge and designed to sink carriers.
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    Post  ALAMO Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:23 am

    Ch-35 was considered as a cheap, light system to be installed on small corvettes, starting with some GDR pieces as you said.
    Plus there is a serious doubt does it even work - I mean the Neptune. Is there any chance Ukraine will design and build a modern seeker? Hardly doubt that.
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    Post  flamming_python Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:04 am

    ALAMO wrote:Ch-35 was considered as a cheap, light system to be installed on small corvettes, starting with some GDR pieces as you said.
    Plus there is a serious doubt does it even work - I mean the Neptune. Is there any chance Ukraine will design and build a modern seeker? Hardly doubt that.

    They should have the capabilities to build a seeker

    I think it was the Kiev Arsenal Factory that was a big one in the Soviet-era for seekers, optics and other electronics; and that enterprise is still around

    As for launching the Kh-35 from a truck, that's the same that Russia did in the early 2000s, with the development of the Bal coastal defense missile system.

    So basically the Ukrainians created an equivalent of the Bal
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    Post  ALAMO Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:23 am

    Yes, I know they used to produce tons of complicated equipment, still sanctions work in both directions.
    We are focusing on the fact of how it influent Russian MIC, forgetting that Ukrainian is the other side of the equation.
    They were cut off the supply of Russian partners as well. And while Russkies had the potential and - the most important - cash to solve that, Ukraine is a fallen state.
    The miserable shape of Ukrobronprom is one of the favourite subjects of opposing Ukr politicians, so obviously there is an issue in that.
    The last loudly announced contract for R-27 is widely commented, and the clue is that probably those missiles would be just refurbished ones, taken out of a WWS or factory storage because they can't replace parts that Russia used to deliver for them. Contract revealed volume speaks for itself, those are extremely cheap.
    Lets wait and see.
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    Post  kvs Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:44 pm

    The notion that Banderastan retains the technological level of 1990 Ukraine is not credible. It can't even manufacture new
    tanks and BMPs. Nothing about this system is equivalent to the Bal.

    While western dick strokers bleat about Russia riding its Soviet legacy and being nothing more than a gas station posing as
    a country, it is actually Banderastan that is literally catabolizing the left overs of the USSR and is not even able to maintain
    its status as some sort of breadbasket.



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    Post  GarryB Sat Aug 14, 2021 6:37 am

    Kh-35 is often ignored in the west as just being a copy of Harpoon and therefore not very interesting, but I do remember reading an article written by the makers of the weapon about elaborate attempts by the Americans to get access to the missile.

    It seems it uses a MMW radar which is very effective but not something that is easy to jam or confuse or deal with that uses a low energy short range signal that creates an excellent view of the target and allows identification of the target an can select a vulnerable area of the target to hit.

    I rather suspect the Orcs don't have that level of performance... but then I seem to remember Vietnam were making an export version of these missiles for themselves so it is not impossible.

    As mentioned all the problems of replacing Ukrainian parts has been a pain in the Ass for Russia but at least Russia had a paying customer so it was worth creating those parts in Russia to replace them... for the Ukraine there would be a lot more parts that need to replace and they could only get funding for that with hard orders... which is a bit of a circular problem...
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    Zelensky called the timing of the appearance of Ukraine's "big fleet".

    In Ukraine, a major program for the development of the navy is being implemented by 2035. This was stated by President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky in an interview with "Ukrainian journalists from Crimea", a fragment of which is published on the president's website.

    "As for our Navy, we currently have three stages. By 2035 — construction of a large fleet. We will see the first stage in reality — it will definitely be held until 2024. The second stage is planned until 2030, and the third-until 2035" – he said.

    Zelensky added that the country is forming the infrastructure for the creation of the navy. We are talking about small submarines, corvettes and military boats. According to the head of state, the authorities also plan to develop naval bases.

    The President specified that the first naval base is being built in Berdyansk. This project should be supported by the United Kingdom, the European Union and the United States. Zelensky added that he intends to discuss the development of the country's naval forces at the upcoming meeting with US President Joe Biden.

    According to Zelensky, in order to liberate Crimea from the "Russian occupation", it is necessary to unblock the coasts of the Azov and Black Seas. He noted that Ukraine is increasing the presence of the allied fleet of NATO member states in the waters of these seas.

    "It's not just a matter of [exercises] Sea Breeze is both an attitude and a constant work, cooperation of our Ministry of Defense, the United States and the European Union countries. We also have real agreements in this direction with Turkey and the United Kingdom" – the head of state concluded.

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