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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:54 pm

    Isos wrote:No money back but they will have their word to say in Ukrainian politics and economy. Untill they vote for a pro russian government again...

    You will not see a pro-russian government for decades if at all now, Western UK is pro EU and west they absolutely despise Russia and that is where most of the population is.

    The Eastern side of Ukraine is more pro-Russia but they are far fewer in number.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Sat Oct 10, 2020 1:46 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Isos wrote:No money back but they will have their word to say in Ukrainian politics and economy. Untill they vote for a pro russian government again...

    You will not see a pro-russian government for decades if at all now, Western UK is pro EU and west they absolutely despise Russia and that is where most of the population is.

    The Eastern side of Ukraine is more pro-Russia but they are far fewer in number.
    the ukraine will not survive long in the current form. It is irrelevant how many people are in the western ukraine. They will end up in a separate state than the south and east (and I imagine that also the center of the country will want to keep away from the banderovits). So western ukrainians will not have anything to say abouts which decision are taken In Odessa or in Mariupol...
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:01 am

    The longer the Ukraine stays pro west the better it is for Russia...

    The money from these loans had better go straight to the British makers of these ships or it will disappear into overseas bank accounts... in fact what is the bet that the minister in charge of the final design and layout of the ships says local weapons need to be fitted to make them compatible with the rest of the Ukrainian navy... but just because he owns those companies don't think there will be any corruption involved... just add the extra costs to the total loan... it will all be fine...

    BTW assuming the new vaccine the Russians are making does cost $13, that 1.6 billion would buy about 124 million doses... that would be enough for everyone in the UK to be given a vaccine and the next 59 million visitors to the UK to get vaccinated too... but obviously a much higher priority is for the Ukraine to get some patrol vessels...   pirat
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:17 am

    The Brits were getting raw materials from India dirt cheap while selling their goods there + salt at high prices- that's why M. Gandhi started to make his own cloth & organized salt production on an Indian Ocean beach.
    This deal confirms that Ukraine is a de-facto colony. 6 boats will be built there, but since it's a licenced production, more could be built for export, if Ukraine still has the Black Sea coast or itself around by then..
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:43 pm

    Reading the arithmetic of the Anglo-Ukrainian "sea credit"
    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/3101963.html
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:13 pm

    I am maybe repetive, but I look forward to the day when Nikolaev, Odessa and Kherson will not be anymore under country 404 control...

    Then the new country of galicia will be able to enjoy their navy on the part of the Dnester river that cross the west of current country 404

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:58 am

    https://riafan.ru/1336735-ukraina-zakupit-tureckie-korvety-otkazavshis-ot-svoih-proektov

    Ukraine abandons its own projects and will not build corvettes at their shipyards.

    They will buy turkish corvettes (that will be built in the turkey). At the moment they plan to equip them with gas turbines from Zorya-Mashproekt (at least until they will abandon also those in favour of foreign propulsion systems....)
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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:56 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Specialised military news agencies have said the funds would be in the form of a 10-year loan and allow the UK to provide 8 Barzan-class fast attack crafts to Ukraine.

    They said the first two ships would be constructed in the UK with the remaining 6 vessels to be completed in Ukraine.

    Might mean these get built in the UK but they are much smaller so there might still be a Ukrainian yard able to build them.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:19 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:https://riafan.ru/1336735-ukraina-zakupit-tureckie-korvety-otkazavshis-ot-svoih-proektov

    Ukraine abandons its own projects and will not build corvettes at their shipyards.

    They will buy turkish corvettes (that will be built in the turkey).  At the moment they plan to equip them with gas turbines from Zorya-Mashproekt (at least until they will abandon also those in favour of foreign propulsion systems....)

    They won't have money for those
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Mon Nov 16, 2020 3:12 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Specialised military news agencies have said the funds would be in the form of a 10-year loan and allow the UK to provide 8 Barzan-class fast attack crafts to Ukraine.

    They said the first two ships would be constructed in the UK with the remaining 6 vessels to be completed in Ukraine.

    Might mean these get built in the UK but they are much smaller so there might still be a Ukrainian yard able to build them.
    the Barzan-class fast attack crafts are smaller than proper corvettes. We are talking about a 600tons ship with a gun, 2 four cells launchers for exocet (8 missiles in total) a CIWS and a couple of manpads.


    The old nanuchka class, upgraded with 16 Kh35 missile is much better.

    And the buyan M and the karakurt are fully in another league!

    Anyway, until now they were talking about building in Nikolaev a series of large multirole corvettes (around 2500 tons, similar in size to the russian 20380 class), still very small in comparison to what those shipyards used to build, but at least a proper naval ship... of course this has proven to be too much for them...
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:48 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:https://riafan.ru/1336735-ukraina-zakupit-tureckie-korvety-otkazavshis-ot-svoih-proektov

    Ukraine abandons its own projects and will not build corvettes at their shipyards.

    They will buy turkish corvettes (that will be built in the turkey).  At the moment they plan to equip them with gas turbines from Zorya-Mashproekt (at least until they will abandon also those in favour of foreign propulsion systems....)

    Absolutely pathetic, they went from building strategic airlifters and aircraft carriers, to struggling to build their own corvettes and needing to buy both boats and UAV's from Turkey. Razz The whole of Ukrainian SSR ingenuity of it's science and engineering sector was a kabuki theatre, it was an a liquidity and stimulus injection from the Russian side the entire time.

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    Post  kvs on Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:26 pm

    This is good news as far as I am concerned. The atrophy of Banderastan's technological and production capacity is on track.
    The clowns in Khuiyiv think that they can remove "ancient, obsolete Soviet industry" and replace it with some post-modern
    bubble of delusion like computer games "manufacturing". And other "high tech" fart bubbles that will utterly fail to feed the
    population.

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    Post  Isos on Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:45 pm

    What for ? They don't need a navy, only ciast guard to keep their waters.

    It's not like they will use it against russian navy. That would be a costly suicide.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:20 pm

    They want it to be larger than the Georgian 'navy" & to harass the Russian Black Sea Fleet.
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    Post  Isos on Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:27 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:They want it to be larger than the Georgian 'navy" & to harass the Russian Black Sea Fleet.

    Georgia isn't an enemey and they don't share any border with them.

    They can't harass russian navy. Russian air force will destroy their ships in 1 hour from Crimea
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:51 pm

    Georgia is an ally they may want to help or look superior to; they hope that as the Ukr. navy grows, it may get even bigger ships later to aid NATO in the region & the Med. Sea. At the very least, in the peacetime it may prevent the Black Sea from becoming 100% Russian lake.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:01 pm

    Isos wrote:What for ? They don't need a navy, only ciast guard to keep their waters.

    It's not like they will use it against russian navy. That would be a costly suicide.

    You're right, but the proposed large corvette would have almost made sense.

    Also it was also a small size ship but at least a way to use the shipyards in Nikolaev.

    It was a ship that could be used in the black sea and also for some operations with NATO country in the Mediterranean sea and the red sea.

    https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/ukraine-to-resume-building-volodymyr-the-great-corvette.html?cn-reloaded=1

    It is basically a sort of equivalent (but more expensive) version of project 22380 built with western systems. Ukraine was going to provide only the hull and the engines

    The funny thing is that they called it with the name of Vladimir the great, the Rurikid (same family as Ivan the terrible) ruler of the Kievan Rus in the 10th century. The nationalist even call him a Ukrainian hero, forgetting that Russia also celebrates him and that his ancestor Oleg came in Kiev from Novgorod and conquered it!

    Ah this evil Russia conquering Ukraine... it is in their blood Twisted Evil Laughing Cool
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:36 am

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