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So the companies in the Ukraine who make 23mm and 30mm cannon and 30mm grenade launchers and anti tank guided missiles just got screwed in their own military....
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The flagship of the Ukrainian fleet was declared non-combat capable
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Tsavo Lion wrote:The flagship of the Ukrainian fleet was declared non-combat capable
I know it is the biggest ship that they have, but calling a 4000 tons frigate a flagship seems a bit ridiculous...
In addition the article mentioned (machine translated)
Despite the fact that at the time of the first launch it was the optimal combat unit
The optimal combat unit? It was a Krivak III class frigate built for the soviet coast guard. the Ukraine got it for free brand new... it was not a bad frigate in 1992 but I would definitely not have called it the optimal combat unit....
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Ukraine doesn't have any other better armed & bigger active ship, so it's a flagship by default.
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More on the British £1B deal on missile boats
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UK defence Attaché in Kiev, Cdre Tim Woods confirms new missile boats for the
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Ukrainian Navy will be UK-designed and first 4 will be constructed in Britain.
50 - 65 meters in length and capable of 40 knots.
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UK defence Attaché in Kiev, Cdre Tim Woods confirms new missile boats for the
Flag of Ukraine
Ukrainian Navy will be UK-designed and first 4 will be constructed in Britain.
50 - 65 meters in length and capable of 40 knots.
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Turned west. Get military aid to keep a civil war in their country. Spend money on useless boats. Keep the economy down.
Where are UE economical aid for their economy ? How do they pay gas now that left friendly prices of Russia for UE/US companies ? Is US/UR market open for them ? Will those boat at least carry ukrainian engines ? Will ukrainian shipyards get money for those boats ?
They got fuck deap.
Where are UE economical aid for their economy ? How do they pay gas now that left friendly prices of Russia for UE/US companies ? Is US/UR market open for them ? Will those boat at least carry ukrainian engines ? Will ukrainian shipyards get money for those boats ?
They got fuck deap.
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A I understand it the £1B is aid, think a gift. First 4 boats we make the other 6 are effectively assembled under license in Ukraine, I assume with same parts as first 4.Isos wrote:Turned west. Get military aid to keep a civil war in their country. Spend money on useless boats. Keep the economy down.
Where are UE economical aid for their economy ? How do they pay gas now that left friendly prices of Russia for UE/US companies ? Is US/UR market open for them ? Will those boat at least carry ukrainian engines ? Will ukrainian shipyards get money for those boats ?
They got fuck deap.
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It's not an aid. It's an investement to keep the war in the country.
An aid is to help, not to destroy.
An aid is to help, not to destroy.
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Shocking news!!! The naval balance in the Black Sea has changed.
The United States has transferred 20 new high mobility multi-purpose wheeled vehicles (HMMWV), aka Humvees, and 84 boats to the Ukrainian Armed Forces.The military equipment was supplied within the Ukrainian Security Assistance Initiative. “Nothing could stop the delivery of 20 Humvees to the Ukrainian Land Forces and Special Operations Forces along with 84 boats for the Ukrainian Navy as part of the Ukrainian Security Assistance Initiative,” the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv wrote on Twitter on January 15.
OK, you don’t need to listen to Russian here, just turn the sound off and enjoy the visuals, solemnity and the geopolitical grandeur of this event.
Not sure what the significance is of shots of F-15 in Carolina is.
https://anti-empire.com/ukraine-plots-the-return-of-crimea-after-the-us-provides-it-with-84-inflatable-boats/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily+Headlines
The United States has transferred 20 new high mobility multi-purpose wheeled vehicles (HMMWV), aka Humvees, and 84 boats to the Ukrainian Armed Forces.The military equipment was supplied within the Ukrainian Security Assistance Initiative. “Nothing could stop the delivery of 20 Humvees to the Ukrainian Land Forces and Special Operations Forces along with 84 boats for the Ukrainian Navy as part of the Ukrainian Security Assistance Initiative,” the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv wrote on Twitter on January 15.
OK, you don’t need to listen to Russian here, just turn the sound off and enjoy the visuals, solemnity and the geopolitical grandeur of this event.
Not sure what the significance is of shots of F-15 in Carolina is.
https://anti-empire.com/ukraine-plots-the-return-of-crimea-after-the-us-provides-it-with-84-inflatable-boats/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily+Headlines
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miketheterrible wrote:
A bunch of old Zodiacs and some alu RIBs.
At least the RIBs came with outboard motors, did the Zodiacs come with sets of oars?
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JohninMK wrote:miketheterrible wrote:
A bunch of old Zodiacs and some alu RIBs.
At least the RIBs came with outboard motors, did the Zodiacs come with sets of oars?
They should of replaced those RIBs with actual barbecue ribs, would of been more useful for hungry sailors.
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What are they trying to do man... start an out of control arms race in the Black Sea?
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GarryB wrote:What are they trying to do man... start an out of control arms race in the Black Sea?
Indeed, one of the most destabilizing moves in the field of strategic stability at the level of Poseidon and Avangard
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Ukrainian planned medium-range air defense system & RK-360 Neptune anti-ship missile system models based on TATRA truck chassis
https://twitter.com/Ninja998998/status/1406542020869562368?s=20
https://twitter.com/Ninja998998/status/1406542020869562368?s=20
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It's not an aid. It's an investement to keep the war in the country.
An aid is to help, not to destroy.
The point is that the 1B will be counted as aid to the Ukrainians, but in actual fact most will go to the UK shipyard that designs and assembles four boats and then makes the parts for the remaining boats, it is like US military aide... here is billions of dollars and here is a list of what you can spend it on, and that list will include most of the worn out crap the US military wants to retire like old F-16s and UH-1 helicopters... you never actually get any of that aide money in your hot little hands... it just goes directly to the US military to retire their old crap or in this case to the UK MIC to make some boats where the demands for quality and performance are not going to be too taxing and harsh.
This is the sort of graft the west gets away with to subsidise their various MIC factions... if Boeing is struggling a bit then lets order 300 inflight refuelling aircraft based on one of their old airliners so they don't have to do anything hard like design and build a new plane, just as an example...
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More UK cast offs on their way, in the future as they are still in service. Note my highlight.
Intel Air & Sea
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The Ukrainian Navy has confirmed that the Royal Navy will be transferring 2 Sandown class mine hunters to the Ukrainian Navy in the future. As part of a new memorandum between the Ukrainian Navy & Royal Navy
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-giving-two-sandown-class-mine-hunters-to-ukraine/
The transfer of the vessels is part of a new memorandum between Ukraine and the United Kingdom.
The United Kingdom announced as part of the ‘Defence Command Paper‘, a white paper outlining the shape and size of the British military over the years to come that it is retiring its Sandown and Hunt class vessels as the Royal Navy moves to autonomous platforms for mine hunting work.
The Ukrainian Navy posted on Facebook here (translation also provided by Facebook):
“In the near future, the Ukrainian Navy is expecting a transfer to its warehouse of two ships type “Sendown” that are currently in the Royal British Navy, after their full audit, repair, upgrade, additional equipment and adequate preparation of the Ukrainian Navy personnel.
In addition, eight missile boats will be built according to the requirements of the Ukrainian Navy, the first two of which will be built directly in the United Kingdom, and the other will be built already in Ukraine. The assistance of the United Kingdom in the construction of naval bases on the Azov and the Black Sea is also planned.”
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The Ukrainian Navy has confirmed that the Royal Navy will be transferring 2 Sandown class mine hunters to the Ukrainian Navy in the future. As part of a new memorandum between the Ukrainian Navy & Royal Navy
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-giving-two-sandown-class-mine-hunters-to-ukraine/
The transfer of the vessels is part of a new memorandum between Ukraine and the United Kingdom.
The United Kingdom announced as part of the ‘Defence Command Paper‘, a white paper outlining the shape and size of the British military over the years to come that it is retiring its Sandown and Hunt class vessels as the Royal Navy moves to autonomous platforms for mine hunting work.
The Ukrainian Navy posted on Facebook here (translation also provided by Facebook):
“In the near future, the Ukrainian Navy is expecting a transfer to its warehouse of two ships type “Sendown” that are currently in the Royal British Navy, after their full audit, repair, upgrade, additional equipment and adequate preparation of the Ukrainian Navy personnel.
In addition, eight missile boats will be built according to the requirements of the Ukrainian Navy, the first two of which will be built directly in the United Kingdom, and the other will be built already in Ukraine. The assistance of the United Kingdom in the construction of naval bases on the Azov and the Black Sea is also planned.”
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Aaaaaaaand
It's gone!
The Black Sea Shipyard in Nikolayev, the largest in the Soviet Union, and with a 126-year long history dating back to the times of Tsarism, which has built over a 1000 vessels over the course of its life, including all the Soviet aircraft carriers - has officially been liquidated, in connection with bankruptcy.
The shipyard survived two world wars, a civil war, multiple revolutions and seizures of power - but it didn't survive more than 30 years of Ukrainian independence it seems. Or rather 30 years in a failed state.
All equipment and property has already been auctioned off or sold for scrap.
Employees have been working there over the past months without getting paid. Now they've all been fired, and it's unlikely they'll get any compensation or their due salary in arrears, as the proceeds from the fire sale so far have only been enough to cover 42% of the former shipyard's debts.
https://strana.ua/news/342000-nikolaevskij-khozsud-zakonchil-protseduru-likvidatsii-chsz-.html
https://www.mk.ru/politics/2021/07/05/na-ukraine-likvidirovan-zavod-postroivshiy-vse-sovetskie-avianoscy.html
https://ruinformer.com/page/nikolaevskij-sudostroitelnyj-zavod-prikazal-dolgo-zhit
Note, before anyone gets confused; there are 3 shipyards in the Nikolayev region. This one, the formerly largest and most famous, is now gone.
The oldest is the Nikolayev shipyard, dating back to the 18th century, and which built the Slava class cruisers in the Soviet era. It's technically still operational, but hasn't had orders for years and started bankruptcy procedures last year
And the newest one (set up in the 1950s) is the Okean shipyard, but it's a fairly minor one and was used for mostly tugs and trawlers. Nevertheless it's the most financially stable, and where the Turks want to build ships for the Ukrainian Navy.
It's gone!
The Black Sea Shipyard in Nikolayev, the largest in the Soviet Union, and with a 126-year long history dating back to the times of Tsarism, which has built over a 1000 vessels over the course of its life, including all the Soviet aircraft carriers - has officially been liquidated, in connection with bankruptcy.
The shipyard survived two world wars, a civil war, multiple revolutions and seizures of power - but it didn't survive more than 30 years of Ukrainian independence it seems. Or rather 30 years in a failed state.
All equipment and property has already been auctioned off or sold for scrap.
Employees have been working there over the past months without getting paid. Now they've all been fired, and it's unlikely they'll get any compensation or their due salary in arrears, as the proceeds from the fire sale so far have only been enough to cover 42% of the former shipyard's debts.
https://strana.ua/news/342000-nikolaevskij-khozsud-zakonchil-protseduru-likvidatsii-chsz-.html
https://www.mk.ru/politics/2021/07/05/na-ukraine-likvidirovan-zavod-postroivshiy-vse-sovetskie-avianoscy.html
https://ruinformer.com/page/nikolaevskij-sudostroitelnyj-zavod-prikazal-dolgo-zhit
Note, before anyone gets confused; there are 3 shipyards in the Nikolayev region. This one, the formerly largest and most famous, is now gone.
The oldest is the Nikolayev shipyard, dating back to the 18th century, and which built the Slava class cruisers in the Soviet era. It's technically still operational, but hasn't had orders for years and started bankruptcy procedures last year
And the newest one (set up in the 1950s) is the Okean shipyard, but it's a fairly minor one and was used for mostly tugs and trawlers. Nevertheless it's the most financially stable, and where the Turks want to build ships for the Ukrainian Navy.
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Says it best...
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The oldest shipyard in Ukraine has closed. The long history of the Black Sea shipyard is over. Nikolaev district court approved the act of liquidation of the Black Sea shipyard..
Thus disappears the state called Ukraine. The property was sold, the money was distributed to creditors, all employees were fired, the company seal was destroyed. Glory to Ukraine !!!
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The oldest shipyard in Ukraine has closed. The long history of the Black Sea shipyard is over. Nikolaev district court approved the act of liquidation of the Black Sea shipyard..
Thus disappears the state called Ukraine. The property was sold, the money was distributed to creditors, all employees were fired, the company seal was destroyed. Glory to Ukraine !!!
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franco wrote:Says it best...
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The oldest shipyard in Ukraine has closed. The long history of the Black Sea shipyard is over. Nikolaev district court approved the act of liquidation of the Black Sea shipyard..
Thus disappears the state called Ukraine. The property was sold, the money was distributed to creditors, all employees were fired, the company seal was destroyed. Glory to Ukraine !!!
It's not the oldest, the oldest is the neighbouring Nikolayev shipyard. But that one is probably not too far off the same fate, already in bankruptcy after failing to find buyers 3 years back.
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Apparently the production of the shipyard during its final years (could be fake though)
It certainly hadn't been building any ships, not for the last 20 years or so
It certainly hadn't been building any ships, not for the last 20 years or so
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No wonder they got liquidated, they have been stepping in on Antonov's turf
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Wait until you hear what the Okean shipyard is up to, as a warm-up for the Turkish contract
Gentlemen, the 2nd largest Ukrainian flag in the world (the largest is in Kiev, erected last year)
https://news.pn/ru/public/256585
The Okean shipyard is busy welding together a 72-metre flagpole, in preparation for Ukrainian independence day in August, by which time it will be completed and installed onto one of the main squares of Nikolayev, to hoist a 12x18 meter Ukrainian flag
Although I should add the caveat that it's not exclusively the 2nd-largest, but rather will share this status with Dnepropetrovsk, which also has a 12x18 meter Ukrainian flag hoisted next to the ATO museum back in 2018.
Gentlemen, the 2nd largest Ukrainian flag in the world (the largest is in Kiev, erected last year)
https://news.pn/ru/public/256585
The Okean shipyard is busy welding together a 72-metre flagpole, in preparation for Ukrainian independence day in August, by which time it will be completed and installed onto one of the main squares of Nikolayev, to hoist a 12x18 meter Ukrainian flag
Although I should add the caveat that it's not exclusively the 2nd-largest, but rather will share this status with Dnepropetrovsk, which also has a 12x18 meter Ukrainian flag hoisted next to the ATO museum back in 2018.
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flamming_python wrote:Aaaaaaaand
It's gone!
The Black Sea Shipyard in Nikolayev, the largest in the Soviet Union, and with a 126-year long history dating back to the times of Tsarism, which has built over a 1000 vessels over the course of its life, including all the Soviet aircraft carriers - has officially been liquidated, in connection with bankruptcy.
The shipyard survived two world wars, a civil war, multiple revolutions and seizures of power - but it didn't survive more than 30 years of Ukrainian independence it seems. Or rather 30 years in a failed state.
All equipment and property has already been auctioned off or sold for scrap.
Employees have been working there over the past months without getting paid. Now they've all been fired, and it's unlikely they'll get any compensation or their due salary in arrears, as the proceeds from the fire sale so far have only been enough to cover 42% of the former shipyard's debts.
https://strana.ua/news/342000-nikolaevskij-khozsud-zakonchil-protseduru-likvidatsii-chsz-.html
https://www.mk.ru/politics/2021/07/05/na-ukraine-likvidirovan-zavod-postroivshiy-vse-sovetskie-avianoscy.html
https://ruinformer.com/page/nikolaevskij-sudostroitelnyj-zavod-prikazal-dolgo-zhit
Note, before anyone gets confused; there are 3 shipyards in the Nikolayev region. This one, the formerly largest and most famous, is now gone.
The oldest is the Nikolayev shipyard, dating back to the 18th century, and which built the Slava class cruisers in the Soviet era. It's technically still operational, but hasn't had orders for years and started bankruptcy procedures last year
And the newest one (set up in the 1950s) is the Okean shipyard, but it's a fairly minor one and was used for mostly tugs and trawlers. Nevertheless it's the most financially stable, and where the Turks want to build ships for the Ukrainian Navy.
Actually the okean shipyard was not small at all, it was never used for the navy, but it was able to build fairly large civilian ships.
That also went bankrupt a couple of years ago.
The Nikolaev shipyard (formerly communara 61 and previously also Nikolaev admiralty shipyard) is the one that built, among the rest, the Kara class cruisers and Slava class cruisers (the cruiser "Ukraina" is still abandoned there waiting for disassembly) and earlier the battleship Potemkin (the one famous for the 1905 mutiny and for the movie from Eisenstein).
The black sea shipyard was the one where they built all the soviet helicopter carriers and aircraft carriers but a few years ago the government of Ukraine decided to basically destroy the largest drydock of the shipyard, in order to build a grain terminal for the agricultural company Nibulon.
Basically the only shipyard currently still operating in Nikolaev is the Nibulon shipyard (owned by the same agricultural company Nibulon), and located next to the former largest shipyard of the soviet union.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibulon_Shipyard
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Well the Okean shipyard might have also gone bankrupt, but it was evidently then saved by the state
As was Yuzhmash for example, whose situation has also been dire since at least 2015, but last year it got money from the government to cover its debts and pay its workers.
In general this clown show will go on for a while.
No-one in Ukrainian politics wants to known as the one who liquidates Okean, nor the Nikolayev yard, nor Yuzhmash, nor Antonov, nor Motor-Sich, nor KrAZ or any of these other enterprises that are hanging on by a thread. Even if they continue to lose money from them and many aren't even capable of fulfilling any orders, which don't exist either. Saving the Black Sea shipyard though was probably just too much to handle
As soon as the gravy train from the IMF, US and EU stops though, they'll fall like a stack of dominoes.
As was Yuzhmash for example, whose situation has also been dire since at least 2015, but last year it got money from the government to cover its debts and pay its workers.
In general this clown show will go on for a while.
No-one in Ukrainian politics wants to known as the one who liquidates Okean, nor the Nikolayev yard, nor Yuzhmash, nor Antonov, nor Motor-Sich, nor KrAZ or any of these other enterprises that are hanging on by a thread. Even if they continue to lose money from them and many aren't even capable of fulfilling any orders, which don't exist either. Saving the Black Sea shipyard though was probably just too much to handle
As soon as the gravy train from the IMF, US and EU stops though, they'll fall like a stack of dominoes.
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