




KoTeMoRe wrote:Guys it's a blurry picture out of an ad. the tank that fires during the same ad, is a T72S, nowhere near the T90. If Iran has this new tank, seeing it should be fairly easy. Let the smoke clear and we'll see exactly what it is. IMO it's a well dressed T72S with all the right cardboard at the right place.
Persian wrote:KoTeMoRe wrote:Guys it's a blurry picture out of an ad. the tank that fires during the same ad, is a T72S, nowhere near the T90. If Iran has this new tank, seeing it should be fairly easy. Let the smoke clear and we'll see exactly what it is. IMO it's a well dressed T72S with all the right cardboard at the right place.
Why you seem so upset friend? You're acting like just because there are similarities between this tank (not even confirmed to be karrar yet) and T-series, that it must automatically be a copy etc. Even if we look at the tank below hard enough, we could see T series similarities:
Now this Iranian tank clearly shares similarities such as the toothed side skirts, number of wheels etc, but you can also see clear differences in this blurry pic. It's very easy for you to just make assumptions lie this is just a T-72 with heavy cosmetics etc, but can you substantiate that? You seem too upset. Why? If Iran think it is a good idea to take T series influences into its tank designs, that's something that should make our Russian friends happy. As that points to good features of Russian tanks.
KoTeMoRe wrote:Persian wrote:KoTeMoRe wrote:Guys it's a blurry picture out of an ad. the tank that fires during the same ad, is a T72S, nowhere near the T90. If Iran has this new tank, seeing it should be fairly easy. Let the smoke clear and we'll see exactly what it is. IMO it's a well dressed T72S with all the right cardboard at the right place.
Why you seem so upset friend? You're acting like just because there are similarities between this tank (not even confirmed to be karrar yet) and T-series, that it must automatically be a copy etc. Even if we look at the tank below hard enough, we could see T series similarities:
Now this Iranian tank clearly shares similarities such as the toothed side skirts, number of wheels etc, but you can also see clear differences in this blurry pic. It's very easy for you to just make assumptions lie this is just a T-72 with heavy cosmetics etc, but can you substantiate that? You seem too upset. Why? If Iran think it is a good idea to take T series influences into its tank designs, that's something that should make our Russian friends happy. As that points to good features of Russian tanks.
Upset? Why should I be upset?
Iran had enough time to spirit a lot of elements to make a semi-viable tank upgrade from the ealy 90's until the current sanctions. Take the Khorramshar which was T72/T80 mix with a turbine. Yet Iran has to move over the T72S it still produces to this day. However there are three things that we can't assess as of now. FCS, Sensors and Gunnery. This tanks purports to show an elongated turret, does it have a new autoloader, the answer is no, the turret seems to be elongated to make up for the RCWS pedestal that sits behind the T72 turret. So basically this tank looks like something we know, but from the initial pictures, smells like something else, we know as well.
Persian wrote:KoTeMoRe wrote:Persian wrote:KoTeMoRe wrote:Guys it's a blurry picture out of an ad. the tank that fires during the same ad, is a T72S, nowhere near the T90. If Iran has this new tank, seeing it should be fairly easy. Let the smoke clear and we'll see exactly what it is. IMO it's a well dressed T72S with all the right cardboard at the right place.
Why you seem so upset friend? You're acting like just because there are similarities between this tank (not even confirmed to be karrar yet) and T-series, that it must automatically be a copy etc. Even if we look at the tank below hard enough, we could see T series similarities:
Now this Iranian tank clearly shares similarities such as the toothed side skirts, number of wheels etc, but you can also see clear differences in this blurry pic. It's very easy for you to just make assumptions lie this is just a T-72 with heavy cosmetics etc, but can you substantiate that? You seem too upset. Why? If Iran think it is a good idea to take T series influences into its tank designs, that's something that should make our Russian friends happy. As that points to good features of Russian tanks.
Upset? Why should I be upset?
Iran had enough time to spirit a lot of elements to make a semi-viable tank upgrade from the ealy 90's until the current sanctions. Take the Khorramshar which was T72/T80 mix with a turbine. Yet Iran has to move over the T72S it still produces to this day. However there are three things that we can't assess as of now. FCS, Sensors and Gunnery. This tanks purports to show an elongated turret, does it have a new autoloader, the answer is no, the turret seems to be elongated to make up for the RCWS pedestal that sits behind the T72 turret. So basically this tank looks like something we know, but from the initial pictures, smells like something else, we know as well.
You are just making assumptions and acting as if those are based on solid factual grounds. How do you know it does not have a new autoloader? You also claim it is using a T-72 turret, what?? I do know about the history of tanks in Iran, which is why I think this is a new tank but obviously its designe is influenced by the T-series considerably.
However, best thing to do is wait till karrar is officially revealed. They will probably show some manufacture phase videos as well, then one would be in a much better position to judge its anatomy.
KoTeMoRe wrote:Persian wrote:KoTeMoRe wrote:Persian wrote:KoTeMoRe wrote:Guys it's a blurry picture out of an ad. the tank that fires during the same ad, is a T72S, nowhere near the T90. If Iran has this new tank, seeing it should be fairly easy. Let the smoke clear and we'll see exactly what it is. IMO it's a well dressed T72S with all the right cardboard at the right place.
Why you seem so upset friend? You're acting like just because there are similarities between this tank (not even confirmed to be karrar yet) and T-series, that it must automatically be a copy etc. Even if we look at the tank below hard enough, we could see T series similarities:
Now this Iranian tank clearly shares similarities such as the toothed side skirts, number of wheels etc, but you can also see clear differences in this blurry pic. It's very easy for you to just make assumptions lie this is just a T-72 with heavy cosmetics etc, but can you substantiate that? You seem too upset. Why? If Iran think it is a good idea to take T series influences into its tank designs, that's something that should make our Russian friends happy. As that points to good features of Russian tanks.
Upset? Why should I be upset?
Iran had enough time to spirit a lot of elements to make a semi-viable tank upgrade from the ealy 90's until the current sanctions. Take the Khorramshar which was T72/T80 mix with a turbine. Yet Iran has to move over the T72S it still produces to this day. However there are three things that we can't assess as of now. FCS, Sensors and Gunnery. This tanks purports to show an elongated turret, does it have a new autoloader, the answer is no, the turret seems to be elongated to make up for the RCWS pedestal that sits behind the T72 turret. So basically this tank looks like something we know, but from the initial pictures, smells like something else, we know as well.
You are just making assumptions and acting as if those are based on solid factual grounds. How do you know it does not have a new autoloader? You also claim it is using a T-72 turret, what?? I do know about the history of tanks in Iran, which is why I think this is a new tank but obviously its designe is influenced by the T-series considerably.
However, best thing to do is wait till karrar is officially revealed. They will probably show some manufacture phase videos as well, then one would be in a much better position to judge its anatomy.
It's not assumptions, the RCWS is not set on the turret itself, but on a contraption over the bustle frame. This means that the autoloader cannot take place there, or that the tank has a very small ammou count. Which I seriously doubt. I already provided yo with enough hints as to what this tank looks like and what probably it is like.
If you want to believe that this is a brand new tank, then OK so be it. You are entitled to your opinion. Anyway, best luck to the Iranian army.
yavar wrote:
Iran Dorud Bani Hashem armored Industry "Karrar" MBT Tank تانک کرار تولید صنایع زرهی بنیهاشم دورود