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    P-800 Oniks and BrahMos

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    Post  Isos Thu Sep 24, 2020 1:40 am

    That's a pro indian blog... no need to read it.

    The objectivity and reliability of that article is 0.
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    Post  hoom Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:41 am

    You are quite late Hoom.
    Feel free to point me to the previous discussion of an Air-to-Air variant Suspect
    I did check the last 3 pages which takes us back to Feb 2018 so...

    That's a pro indian blog... no need to read it.
    He's pro Russian.
    He's only pro indian to the extent they buy Russian military tech.
    He's also pro chinese to the extent they buy Russian military tech.
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    Post  Arrow Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:14 am

    https://ria.ru/20210325/fregat-1602842255.html

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    Post  George1 Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:22 pm

    Russia, India to extend BrahMos supersonic missile’s range to 800 km

    The BrahMos missile had an initial flight range of 280 km. After India joined the missile technology control regime, its range was extended to 450 km

    https://tass.com/defense/1315847

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:30 pm

    Which makes it sound like they got the export version (ie less than 300km range) and then the full range Onyx version (450km), and now they are getting the Onyx with Zircon fuel (double range and much higher flight speed).

    Interesting.
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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:01 am

    There were rumors, that this was the cause of the last missile testing accident. Using more powerful Zirkon fuel for Oniks.
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    Post  Arrow Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:06 am

    That there was an increased radiation level. Perhaps they were testing some nuclear propulsion devices. scratch
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    Post  GarryB Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:26 am

    Some of the components might be radioactive, but I rather doubt there is any actual nuclear reaction in the process of propulsion.

    Bananas are naturally radioactive too.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:43 am

    Everything is radioactive, at some own level.
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    Post  owais.usmani Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:16 am

    South Korea develops a copy of Oniks? Some secret ToT from Russia?

    http://charly015.blogspot.com/2021/09/el-onyx-surcoreano.html
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    Post  Arrow Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:29 am

    Probably so is the Korean Onyx.  Korea cooperates with Russia in the field of military.  For example, the KM Sam anti-aircraft system is based on the S 350. The cooperation is very advanced.  Korea opens its factories in Russia and helps rebuild its shipbuilding industry.The new Korean SRBM is probably based on the Iskander M.
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    Post  lancelot Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:00 pm

    Arrow wrote:Probably so is the Korean Onyx.  Korea cooperates with Russia in the field of military.  For example, the KM Sam anti-aircraft system is based on the S 350. The cooperation is very advanced.  Korea opens its factories in Russia and helps rebuild its shipbuilding industry.The new Korean SRBM is probably based on the Iskander M.

    Like you said not just KM SAM. South Korea has ballistic missile which is basically clone of Iskander (Hyunmoo-2).
    They also collaborated on space launch vehicles on the Naro 1 launch vehicle.
    Pretty tight military cooperation in missile realm.
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    Post  Dima Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:32 am

    owais.usmani wrote:South Korea develops a copy of Oniks? Some secret ToT from Russia?

    http://charly015.blogspot.com/2021/09/el-onyx-surcoreano.html
    Reposting what I posted in South Korean mil thread.


    The new supersonic cruise missile looks exactly like the Yakhont/Brahmos missile. What this also means is that the advantage Russia had with those missiles are also reducing, as this same might be available with the US.

    Either Russia sold this tech to South Korea like the way the 9M96E formed the base of their KR-SAM.
    OR,
    the design leaked out of India to the the US/Israel and popped up in S.K.
    If its out of leakage from India, its hardly no surprise, coz those who have worked in the HAL or in the know will tell tales of how carelessly the design/diagrams were handled and probably in the open at HAL systems.

    And remember, there are no shortage of US/western fanboys/stooges in India.

    INS Chakra, Pr.971, was also likely compromised by giving access/entry to muricans to the submarine, inaddition to logging firsthand and detailed database to the P-8I, which will now be part of the US & NATO P-3/P-8 fleet.

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    Post  dino00 Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:06 am

    ...or South Korea developed the supersonic cruise missile itself.
    The gap will wide again with Zircon.
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    Post  ALAMO Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:06 pm

    This gap is stable for 20 years now, with the countries that have some real R&D potential for that matter.
    And that is not Murica Laughing

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    Post  GarryB Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:00 am

    Onyx entered service about 1996 officially, and it is a ramjet powered missile... lots of countries have ramjet powered missiles... the SA-6 SAM was a combined ramjet rocket powered missile and it is ancient.

    The MA-31 is the target version of the Kh-31 the Russians sold to the US Navy over a decade ago...

    Can't expect the west not to develop such things, but Russia is moving on too.
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    Post  lyle6 Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:18 am

    Its not everyday that Russia collapses and almost everything goes on a firesale... I wonder how long would it take for contemporaries to catch up without help. Twisted Evil
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    Post  ALAMO Sat Sep 18, 2021 1:58 am

    It is not only Russia, but the SU in general.
    Really huge amount of technology was transferred from Ukraine after the dissolution of SU.
    It is Ukraine that is responsible for the intense advance of Iranian missile tech and North Korea one. They made a quantum jump in a decade, by drilling the dying Ukrainian design teams.
    China was even better - it acquired not only technology but manpower in numbers, for example, a general constructor of Varyag, Mr. Babicz.
    DF-41 is using an SS-24 and R-39 technology quite openly, and Yuzhnoye is a core of all of that.
    So yes, dissolution of the SU and economical disaster after that, was as open hunting season and Xmas in one place and time...
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    Post  Broski Sat Sep 18, 2021 5:19 am

    I'm surprised the US didn't take advantage of the collapse to further develop better missile and missile defense technology, it's not like they weren't up for grabs. But 30 years later, here they still are with the Tomahawks, lol

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Sep 18, 2021 7:16 am

    Broski wrote:I'm surprised the US didn't take advantage of the collapse to further develop better missile and missile defense technology, it's not like they weren't up for grabs. But 30 years later, here they still are with the Tomahawks, lol

    Belief in ones own claims of exceptionalism is self-defeating. Laughing

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    Post  Krepost Sun Dec 12, 2021 12:23 pm

    pr. 1234.7 (Nanushka) class missile boat NAKAT was the test ship for the Onyx anti-ship missile - inclined launch version - this version is not adopted in the Russian Navy. but is in service with the Indian Navy (BRAHMOS).
    The NAKAT is now retired from service.

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    Post  marcellogo Sun Dec 12, 2021 1:41 pm

    Broski wrote:I'm surprised the US didn't take advantage of the collapse to further develop better missile and missile defense technology, it's not like they weren't up for grabs. But 30 years later, here they still are with the Tomahawks, lol
    They tried to do so in the nineties and introduce some Wundrewaffe.
    They failed in most cases, as only few of such projects entered in service.

    V-22, F-22, Javelin and X-777... and with such cost overruns, reduced numbers and tactical limitations that didn't changed things in any meaningful  way.
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    Post  TMA1 Sun Dec 12, 2021 3:39 pm

    ALAMO wrote:It is not only Russia, but the SU in general.
    Really huge amount of technology was transferred from Ukraine after the dissolution of SU.
    It is Ukraine that is responsible for the intense advance of Iranian missile tech and North Korea one. They made a quantum jump in a decade, by drilling the dying Ukrainian design teams.
    China was even better - it acquired not only technology but manpower in numbers, for example, a general constructor of Varyag, Mr. Babicz.
    DF-41 is using an SS-24 and R-39 technology quite openly, and Yuzhnoye is a core of all of that.
    So yes, dissolution of the SU and economical disaster after that, was as open hunting season and Xmas in one place and time...

    Also the Indian space program. Many of their engines are copies of soviet designs they got from ukraine. All Russia's "allies" seem to want to bypass russia.
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    Post  Isos Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:05 pm

    Yep until US roll over them. Then they come back with their balls in their mouth to beg for Russian protection.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 12, 2021 11:56 pm

    I'm surprised the US didn't take advantage of the collapse to further develop better missile and missile defense technology, it's not like they weren't up for grabs.

    Actually they did buy a few things, like buying the technology of the Yak-141 for the engine for the F-35 to allow a vectored thrust nozzle operating at over 20 tons thrust in full AB. The Harrier never had AB, so they would have had to have delayed for several years if they couldn't buy the technology from Yakovlev...

    Sounds like it still isn't right because they get tail damage when the engine is run in full AB for more than 90 seconds...

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