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P-800 Oniks and BrahMos
Isos- Posts : 11535
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- Post n°176
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That's a pro indian blog... no need to read it.
The objectivity and reliability of that article is 0.
The objectivity and reliability of that article is 0.
hoom- Posts : 2352
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- Post n°177
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Feel free to point me to the previous discussion of an Air-to-Air variantYou are quite late Hoom.
I did check the last 3 pages which takes us back to Feb 2018 so...
He's pro Russian.That's a pro indian blog... no need to read it.
He's only pro indian to the extent they buy Russian military tech.
He's also pro chinese to the extent they buy Russian military tech.
Arrow- Posts : 3280
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https://ria.ru/20210325/fregat-1602842255.html
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George1- Posts : 18473
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- Post n°179
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Russia, India to extend BrahMos supersonic missile’s range to 800 km
The BrahMos missile had an initial flight range of 280 km. After India joined the missile technology control regime, its range was extended to 450 km
https://tass.com/defense/1315847
The BrahMos missile had an initial flight range of 280 km. After India joined the missile technology control regime, its range was extended to 450 km
https://tass.com/defense/1315847
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GarryB- Posts : 40234
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- Post n°180
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Which makes it sound like they got the export version (ie less than 300km range) and then the full range Onyx version (450km), and now they are getting the Onyx with Zircon fuel (double range and much higher flight speed).
Interesting.
Interesting.
ALAMO- Posts : 7341
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- Post n°181
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There were rumors, that this was the cause of the last missile testing accident. Using more powerful Zirkon fuel for Oniks.
Arrow- Posts : 3280
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- Post n°182
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That there was an increased radiation level. Perhaps they were testing some nuclear propulsion devices.
GarryB- Posts : 40234
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- Post n°183
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Some of the components might be radioactive, but I rather doubt there is any actual nuclear reaction in the process of propulsion.
Bananas are naturally radioactive too.
Bananas are naturally radioactive too.
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ALAMO- Posts : 7341
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Everything is radioactive, at some own level.
owais.usmani- Posts : 1814
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South Korea develops a copy of Oniks? Some secret ToT from Russia?
http://charly015.blogspot.com/2021/09/el-onyx-surcoreano.html
http://charly015.blogspot.com/2021/09/el-onyx-surcoreano.html
Arrow- Posts : 3280
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- Post n°186
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Probably so is the Korean Onyx. Korea cooperates with Russia in the field of military. For example, the KM Sam anti-aircraft system is based on the S 350. The cooperation is very advanced. Korea opens its factories in Russia and helps rebuild its shipbuilding industry.The new Korean SRBM is probably based on the Iskander M.
lancelot- Posts : 3040
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- Post n°187
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Arrow wrote:Probably so is the Korean Onyx. Korea cooperates with Russia in the field of military. For example, the KM Sam anti-aircraft system is based on the S 350. The cooperation is very advanced. Korea opens its factories in Russia and helps rebuild its shipbuilding industry.The new Korean SRBM is probably based on the Iskander M.
Like you said not just KM SAM. South Korea has ballistic missile which is basically clone of Iskander (Hyunmoo-2).
They also collaborated on space launch vehicles on the Naro 1 launch vehicle.
Pretty tight military cooperation in missile realm.
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- Post n°188
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Reposting what I posted in South Korean mil thread.owais.usmani wrote:South Korea develops a copy of Oniks? Some secret ToT from Russia?
http://charly015.blogspot.com/2021/09/el-onyx-surcoreano.html
The new supersonic cruise missile looks exactly like the Yakhont/Brahmos missile. What this also means is that the advantage Russia had with those missiles are also reducing, as this same might be available with the US.
Either Russia sold this tech to South Korea like the way the 9M96E formed the base of their KR-SAM.
OR,
the design leaked out of India to the the US/Israel and popped up in S.K.
If its out of leakage from India, its hardly no surprise, coz those who have worked in the HAL or in the know will tell tales of how carelessly the design/diagrams were handled and probably in the open at HAL systems.
And remember, there are no shortage of US/western fanboys/stooges in India.
INS Chakra, Pr.971, was also likely compromised by giving access/entry to muricans to the submarine, inaddition to logging firsthand and detailed database to the P-8I, which will now be part of the US & NATO P-3/P-8 fleet.
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dino00- Posts : 1677
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- Post n°189
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...or South Korea developed the supersonic cruise missile itself.
The gap will wide again with Zircon.
The gap will wide again with Zircon.
ALAMO- Posts : 7341
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- Post n°190
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This gap is stable for 20 years now, with the countries that have some real R&D potential for that matter.
And that is not Murica
And that is not Murica
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Onyx entered service about 1996 officially, and it is a ramjet powered missile... lots of countries have ramjet powered missiles... the SA-6 SAM was a combined ramjet rocket powered missile and it is ancient.
The MA-31 is the target version of the Kh-31 the Russians sold to the US Navy over a decade ago...
Can't expect the west not to develop such things, but Russia is moving on too.
The MA-31 is the target version of the Kh-31 the Russians sold to the US Navy over a decade ago...
Can't expect the west not to develop such things, but Russia is moving on too.
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- Post n°192
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Its not everyday that Russia collapses and almost everything goes on a firesale... I wonder how long would it take for contemporaries to catch up without help.
ALAMO- Posts : 7341
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It is not only Russia, but the SU in general.
Really huge amount of technology was transferred from Ukraine after the dissolution of SU.
It is Ukraine that is responsible for the intense advance of Iranian missile tech and North Korea one. They made a quantum jump in a decade, by drilling the dying Ukrainian design teams.
China was even better - it acquired not only technology but manpower in numbers, for example, a general constructor of Varyag, Mr. Babicz.
DF-41 is using an SS-24 and R-39 technology quite openly, and Yuzhnoye is a core of all of that.
So yes, dissolution of the SU and economical disaster after that, was as open hunting season and Xmas in one place and time...
Really huge amount of technology was transferred from Ukraine after the dissolution of SU.
It is Ukraine that is responsible for the intense advance of Iranian missile tech and North Korea one. They made a quantum jump in a decade, by drilling the dying Ukrainian design teams.
China was even better - it acquired not only technology but manpower in numbers, for example, a general constructor of Varyag, Mr. Babicz.
DF-41 is using an SS-24 and R-39 technology quite openly, and Yuzhnoye is a core of all of that.
So yes, dissolution of the SU and economical disaster after that, was as open hunting season and Xmas in one place and time...
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I'm surprised the US didn't take advantage of the collapse to further develop better missile and missile defense technology, it's not like they weren't up for grabs. But 30 years later, here they still are with the Tomahawks, lol
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Big_Gazza- Posts : 4821
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- Post n°195
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Broski wrote:I'm surprised the US didn't take advantage of the collapse to further develop better missile and missile defense technology, it's not like they weren't up for grabs. But 30 years later, here they still are with the Tomahawks, lol
Belief in ones own claims of exceptionalism is self-defeating.
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They tried to do so in the nineties and introduce some Wundrewaffe.Broski wrote:I'm surprised the US didn't take advantage of the collapse to further develop better missile and missile defense technology, it's not like they weren't up for grabs. But 30 years later, here they still are with the Tomahawks, lol
They failed in most cases, as only few of such projects entered in service.
V-22, F-22, Javelin and X-777... and with such cost overruns, reduced numbers and tactical limitations that didn't changed things in any meaningful way.
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- Post n°198
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ALAMO wrote:It is not only Russia, but the SU in general.
Really huge amount of technology was transferred from Ukraine after the dissolution of SU.
It is Ukraine that is responsible for the intense advance of Iranian missile tech and North Korea one. They made a quantum jump in a decade, by drilling the dying Ukrainian design teams.
China was even better - it acquired not only technology but manpower in numbers, for example, a general constructor of Varyag, Mr. Babicz.
DF-41 is using an SS-24 and R-39 technology quite openly, and Yuzhnoye is a core of all of that.
So yes, dissolution of the SU and economical disaster after that, was as open hunting season and Xmas in one place and time...
Also the Indian space program. Many of their engines are copies of soviet designs they got from ukraine. All Russia's "allies" seem to want to bypass russia.
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Yep until US roll over them. Then they come back with their balls in their mouth to beg for Russian protection.
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GarryB- Posts : 40234
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I'm surprised the US didn't take advantage of the collapse to further develop better missile and missile defense technology, it's not like they weren't up for grabs.
Actually they did buy a few things, like buying the technology of the Yak-141 for the engine for the F-35 to allow a vectored thrust nozzle operating at over 20 tons thrust in full AB. The Harrier never had AB, so they would have had to have delayed for several years if they couldn't buy the technology from Yakovlev...
Sounds like it still isn't right because they get tail damage when the engine is run in full AB for more than 90 seconds...
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