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    Post  Arrow on Fri Dec 27, 2019 4:14 pm

    Awesome. This is real power. Russia will not build a single frigate 22350 laugh at this time
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Dec 27, 2019 7:29 pm

    Still not amazed yet... producing something that looks OK is easy... that is what China has been doing for the last 30 years plus... the questions are... does it come with batteries, and will it continue to work after your 5 year old has played with it for ten minutes...
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    Post  Arrow on Fri Dec 27, 2019 7:46 pm

    f course, the Chinese Navy is growing at such an amazing pace that only such a comment remains. The Russian one, however, tires one fregate with a displacement of 4000 tons for several years. Soon there will be two frigate 22350.
    Here you can see the differences in the potential of these two countries perfectly. China will be another dominant power. Russia will be far behind them in every area. The expansion of the Chinese fleet is impressive. Russian navy is very weak and lowly modernizing. They don't even have a new destroyer with a displacement of 10,000 tons like 055. Of which there are already a few.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Dec 27, 2019 9:27 pm

    Arrow wrote:....Chinese Navy is growing at such an amazing pace .....

    .....China will be another dominant power....

    Definitely

    USA is in for some nasty trouble

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 28, 2019 1:03 am

    f course, the Chinese Navy is growing at such an amazing pace that only such a comment remains. The Russian one, however, tires one fregate with a displacement of 4000 tons for several years. Soon there will be two frigate 22350.
    Here you can see the differences in the potential of these two countries perfectly. China will be another dominant power. Russia will be far behind them in every area. The expansion of the Chinese fleet is impressive. Russian navy is very weak and lowly modernizing. They don't even have a new destroyer with a displacement of 10,000 tons like 055. Of which there are already a few.

    Your confidence is commendable and I wish them all the best... I honestly do... because I really don't see them as a threat to Russia... or New Zealand for that matter... like I see the US Navy as being... but don't you wonder how thoroughly they are testing these ships and their equipment?

    I mean you can get things into production and service really quickly if you don't give a fuck about anything... when the original plan was to make a super everything plane that will replace all the different planes the west uses all in one package that everyone buys so it will be affordable and standardised so we can all save money by buying the same parts and just use one basic aircraft for everything then we will save enormous amounts of time and money... except the plane they developed is the most expensive military programme they have ever had... the space programme to go to the moon didn't cost 1.5 trillion dollars.

    They used the same model as used on the C-17... spread production to low income high unemployment areas of the US where senators and congressmen with power in select committees that decide pentagon funding are sitting... it means all brand new factories with people who have never made aircraft before all spread haphazardly around the country so the logistics for building the thing are totally fucked up to start with... but now this is the wests primary fighter so it can't be cancelled... they need 3,500 of them... they find fault after fault... operating costs are about $70,000 US dollars an hour and climbing, they are building new aircraft even though the thousands of faults found with the existing type have not been fixed yet... it is a nightmare...

    Don't get me started on the US Navy... the Ford Carrier can't carry fixed wing fighters of any kind because it has no way to get them airborne, the Zumwalt class destroyers each probably cost more than the three Chinese carriers they have built, and the less said about the LCS perhaps the better... they are now reverting to a design more like the Gorshkov BTW...

    But I am sure the Chinese wont have any problems at all... what I suspect is that any problems they do have wont be publicly aired... they will just find themselves with large numbers of training vessels and a new design will be laid down.

    A bit like children in a primary school with a computer and a printer... the teacher will tell them to write a story on the computer so they will type out a story and when they finish they will press print and bring you the page to read. If you find an error they will immediately rush away and correct it and print it out again and then you find their second error on the page and away they run to make the change and to print out the corrected story... and then a third error.... print.... and a fourth... print... they don't pay for ink and they don't pay for paper and honestly they really could not give a shit about the planet just yet because it doesn't occur to them that what they do is effecting the world.

    Hopefully the Chinese Navy are just going to get lucky and everything will be fine.

    To be clear you make it seem like they are developing their navy all on their own, but looking at their new helo and aircraft designs there is clearly influence if not paid for support from certain companies to allow them to get to where they are... and I am not being critical... they would be bloody stupid to not use their money to take advantage of the knowledge that is out there to their benefit... going it on your own means making mistakes others have already made... copying or hiring consultants avoids costly and time wasting mistakes.

    China didn't lose the cold war and up until recently were not the target of western economic sanctions, so of course their ship building is booming and production is huge... of course they are growing rapidly... they are starting from nothing so any progress would be obvious and dramatic... the point will come however when all those ships will be overwhelming and they may not use them as efficiently or effectively as you clearly seem to think.

    The US and French and even the UK didn't become countries that dominated the world because they are stupid... they are ruthless and barbarians... and China needs to be very careful and sensible in what it does...
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    Post  George1 on Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:01 pm

    The main large Chinese destroyer project 055 commissioned


    On January 12, 2020, a solemn ceremony was held at the main naval base of the Northern Fleet of the PLA Navy in Qingado to introduce the first destroyer of project 055 Nanchang to the Chinese Navy (Nanchang, board number "101").

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    The destroyers of this project are the largest non-aircraft escort surface warships currently under construction in the world, with an estimated total displacement of about 13 thousand tons and a length of 180 meters. Project 055 destroyers will be equipped with universal vertical launchers with 112 cells for missiles for various purposes.



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    Post  walle83 on Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:30 pm

    George1 wrote:

    The main large Chinese destroyer project 055 commissioned





    On January 12, 2020, a solemn ceremony was held at the main naval base of the Northern Fleet of the PLA Navy in Qingado to introduce the first destroyer of project 055 Nanchang to the Chinese Navy (Nanchang, board number "101").



    The destroyers of this project are the largest non-aircraft escort surface warships currently under construction in the world, with an estimated total displacement of about 13 thousand tons and a length of 180 meters. Project 055 destroyers will be equipped with universal vertical launchers with 112 cells for missiles for various purposes.



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    Now that is a cruiser sized destroyer. Fine ship.
    Western designers should take notes.


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    Post  Isos on Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:08 pm

    Note for what ? That's just a biger Arleigh burke.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:17 am

    A Soviet or Russian ship that size would have about four times more air defence guns than this vessel... and the main gun looks a little small...
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    Post  Isos on Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:26 am

    And the radars are very low. The mast is useless. They should have put a radar on its top for low level coverage against antiship missiles.

    The front ciws take as much space as the 64 cells in front of him.

    The decoy launchers are also not optimized to cover the ship. They mainly faces back sides.

    There is plenty of space for simple ciws all over the ship which it lacks.
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    Post  walle83 on Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:13 pm

    GarryB wrote:A Soviet or Russian ship that size would have about four times more air defence guns than this vessel... and the main gun looks a little small...

    Rather the ship is to large for the main gun. Its a 130mm gun, same caliber as the gun on the Slavas and Sovremennys and larger then the american Mark 45 gun on the Tic and Arleigh Burkes. Its a destroyer in the 2020s, not a battleship.
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    Post  walle83 on Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:23 pm

    Isos wrote:And the radars are very low. The mast is useless. They should have put a radar on its top for low level coverage against antiship missiles.

    The front ciws take as much space as the 64 cells in front of him.

    The decoy launchers are also not optimized to cover the ship. They mainly faces back sides.

    There is plenty of space for simple ciws all over the ship which it lacks.

    I think the idea was that the ship should be as stealtly as possible, minimizing equipment and systems on the deck. The number of ciws seems to follow the americans more then the Russian concept. I do agree that the mast could be better used. The radars positions seems to be working for them, same hight since the Type 052C back in 2004. If it didnt they have had several opportunities to alter the design over the last decade.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:12 am

    Rather the ship is to large for the main gun. Its a 130mm gun, same caliber as the gun on the Slavas and Sovremennys and larger then the american Mark 45 gun on the Tic and Arleigh Burkes. Its a destroyer in the 2020s, not a battleship.

    In 2020 a 130mm gun is for frigates, not destroyers...

    I think the idea was that the ship should be as stealtly as possible, minimizing equipment and systems on the deck. The number of ciws seems to follow the americans more then the Russian concept.

    And we can compare air defence in Saudi Arabia and Syria to compare how those concepts work out...

    The radars positions seems to be working for them, same hight since the Type 052C back in 2004. If it didnt they have had several opportunities to alter the design over the last decade.

    Of course... if they are doing it this way it must be right...
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    Post  flamming_python on Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:23 am

    Arrow wrote:f course, the Chinese Navy is growing at such an amazing pace that only such a comment remains. The Russian one, however, tires one fregate with a displacement of 4000 tons for several years. Soon there will be two frigate 22350.
    Here you can see the differences in the potential of these two countries perfectly. China will be another dominant power. Russia will be far behind them in every area. The expansion of the Chinese fleet is impressive. Russian navy is  very weak and lowly modernizing. They don't even have a new destroyer with a displacement of 10,000 tons like 055. Of which there are already a few.

    Except the Russian Navy is armed with faster and longer-range missiles than the US. Even the corvettes are. And then there are the anti-ship missiles launched by Tu-22M3s and MiG-31Ks.

    Russia doesn't need a large fleet to deny its ocean space. It has its doctrine and that's what it's going with.

    As for China, their ships are not aimed against the Russian Pacific Fleet, anymore than Russian modernization of armored forces in the Western military districts and development of new missile types and strategic weapons threatens China.
    The growing Chinese Navy in fact improves the position of the Russian Pacific Fleet; it gives the US and its allies there someone else to focus on and counter, while the Pacific Fleet can then be adapted to counter whatever they introduce against China.
    You should be the one concerned by them, not Russia.
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    Post  walle83 on Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:00 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Rather the ship is to large for the main gun. Its a 130mm gun, same caliber as the gun on the Slavas and Sovremennys and larger then the american Mark 45 gun on the Tic and Arleigh Burkes. Its a destroyer in the 2020s, not a battleship.

    In 2020 a 130mm gun is for frigates, not destroyers...

    Seriously? The only destroyer having larger gun then 130mm today is the Zumwalts, and they are supose to replace the US battleship for naval fire support. Not even Russias future Lider-class will have anything larger then a 130mm canon.[/quote]
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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:12 pm

    7th ship launched

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    Post  GarryB on Fri May 01, 2020 9:11 am

    Seriously? The only destroyer having larger gun then 130mm today is the Zumwalts, and they are supose to replace the US battleship for naval fire support. Not even Russias future Lider-class will have anything larger then a 130mm canon.

    The development of the 152mm Coalition was a joint programme that included both the Army and the Navy...

    The Russians clearly value having a gun on their vessels... they are flexible multipurpose weapons that can use a wide range of useful ammo types included guided munition and smart air burst rounds, with 130mm guns on their Frigates do you think they will just put 130mm guns on their destroyers and cruisers?

    Especially when their upgraded 130mm guns are lighter and take up less space than their old 100mm naval guns, yet offer better range performance than their old 130mm guns...

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