Type-055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

From the exercise with the russian navy

The most interesting about its VLS is that it can fire pretty much any missile in their inventory designed to be fired from a VLS.

That's what UKSK-M will be.

But why does it even matter

Perhaps my point was a bit less self-evident than I intended:
My point is H I Sutton has developed a reputation over last few years in Western media as an authoritative source on all things naval.

His reputation is built on his website which as I recall started off as a fan-art thing showing off his clearly very impressive talent at drawing freehand in MSPaint with his chosen subject being special-op subs.
Maybe he has some actual expertise on special-op subs but every time I've seen him wander out into mainstream naval matters he comes up with some BS like this.


Yes it is interesting that Type 055 (and 052D before) VLS fires both cold & hot-launch missiles.
Like with a lot of other stuff: the Chinese did their research well, took the good bits from West & Soviet/Russia and successfully merged them together into an excellent, truly universal launcher system -> then built a lot of (similarly excellent) ships with it.

But its not news.
Its info that has been well known in Western public media/resources for at least 6 years & probably longer given Type 052D uses the same system.
This 'authoritative' OSINT guy didn't even bother to do a basic Google/Wiki search in English before blurting out some BS that he should have known as a basic primer to the new PLAN.

Hole wrote:


From the exercise with the russian navy

You must wonder what the Russian are thinking when the Chinese has new ships basicly every time the have an joint exercise, and them self returns with the same old Slava and Udulay vessels year after year

And yes I know they have had some new corvetts and kilos, but the larger vessels continue to be the same.

Probably something like "hey, it is so good to be 10x bigger economy".

I would rather buy the 10 Boreis, 10 Yasens, Poseidon carrier subs, 12 improved kilos and the tu-160 that Russia got and is still getting over those chinese destroyers and frigates.

Russians must be laughing in their Yasen fallowing them unoticed.

The Russians will be thinking: Why do the Chinese only leave their home waters if they have an exercise with our navy or take part in a navy day parade in Russia?

walle83 wrote:....You must wonder what the Russian are thinking when the Chinese has new ships basicly every time the have an joint exercise...

Probably something along the lines of: "It must be colossal pain in the ass to have 90% of your population crammed on a single coastline..."

Hole wrote:The Russians will be thinking: Why do the Chinese only leave their home waters if they have an exercise with our navy or take part in a navy day parade in Russia?

Looks like testicles aren't included in Chinese Naval procurement program

The Russians will be thinking: why do they make such large ships with rather outdated equipment on board and not a whole lot of it either. It could fit more.

miketheterrible wrote:The Russians will be thinking: why do they make such large ships with rather outdated equipment on board and not a whole lot of it either. It could fit more.

What precisely is outdated? And compared to what? A 40 year old Slava cruiser? That only carries one third of the missiles the Type-055 can by the way.

walle83 wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:The Russians will be thinking: why do they make such large ships with rather outdated equipment on board and not a whole lot of it either. It could fit more.

What precisely is outdated? And compared to what? A 40 year old Slava cruiser? That only carries one third of the missiles the Type-055 can by the way.

Its cruise missiles are outdated, its ad system is outdated.

You can say whatever you like, China doesn't have a great track record, and there is a reason why they lack the balls to go use their equipment in real world situations unlike Russia.

Comparing an old cruiser with a new destroyer just kinda shows where China is at.  lol

Seems others also agree - rather get yasens and other vessels that actually matter than this big piece of shit open target. Only dumb people get wowed by a big vessel.

Maybe it will be a good reef once sunk because China decided to over play its hand against the US.

Some nice shots of Chinese and Russian vessels sailing together.

miketheterrible wrote:

Seems others also agree - rather get yasens and other vessels that actually matter than this big piece of shit open target.  Only dumb people get wowed by a big vessel.

Like the Kirovs then?

And when will Russia have all of those submarines and Tu-160s? In 2040?

By then China will have developt and built 5 new generations of warships and submarines.

miketheterrible wrote:

walle83 wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:The Russians will be thinking: why do they make such large ships with rather outdated equipment on board and not a whole lot of it either. It could fit more.

What precisely is outdated? And compared to what? A 40 year old Slava cruiser? That only carries one third of the missiles the Type-055 can by the way.

Its cruise missiles are outdated, its ad system is outdated.

You can say whatever you like, China doesn't have a great track record, and there is a reason why they lack the balls to go use their equipment in real world situations unlike Russia.

Comparing an old cruiser with a new destroyer just kinda shows where China is at.  lol

Seems others also agree - rather get yasens and other vessels that actually matter than this big piece of shit open target.  Only dumb people get wowed by a big vessel.

Maybe it will be a good reef once sunk because China decided to over play its hand against the US.

Agree. The main issue about Chinese stuff is that we don't know the quality. And even if they have the numbers, they are still far away from a situation were they really outnumber US forces.

In terms of quality they may be overhyped : their stealth missile boat appears very well on commercial satelitte radars. It may look stealthy but it isn't.

A trolling comment brings trolling feedback.
Don't be surprised

walle83 wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

Seems others also agree - rather get yasens and other vessels that actually matter than this big piece of shit open target.  Only dumb people get wowed by a big vessel.

Like the Kirovs then?

And when will Russia have all of those submarines and Tu-160s? In 2040?

By then China will have developt and built 5 new generations of warships and submarines.

They already have 5 borei in service and 5 being built. Same for the Yasen 10 built or being built.

China actually needs to develop 5 generations of submarine before getting something close to Yasen. It will take a long time before they catch up on the sub technology.

walle83 wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

Seems others also agree - rather get yasens and other vessels that actually matter than this big piece of shit open target.  Only dumb people get wowed by a big vessel.

Like the Kirovs then?

And when will Russia have all of those submarines and Tu-160s? In 2040?

By then China will have developt and built 5 new generations of warships and submarines.

Yeah, the Russian's have more now that are worth more in salt than anything China produces.

They will have Gen 20+ Super duper ships but they will be floating paper weights as they will still be behind technologically since they are too busy stealing from others rather than actually innovating.

Isos wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

walle83 wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:The Russians will be thinking: why do they make such large ships with rather outdated equipment on board and not a whole lot of it either. It could fit more.

What precisely is outdated? And compared to what? A 40 year old Slava cruiser? That only carries one third of the missiles the Type-055 can by the way.

Its cruise missiles are outdated, its ad system is outdated.

You can say whatever you like, China doesn't have a great track record, and there is a reason why they lack the balls to go use their equipment in real world situations unlike Russia.

Comparing an old cruiser with a new destroyer just kinda shows where China is at.  lol

Seems others also agree - rather get yasens and other vessels that actually matter than this big piece of shit open target.  Only dumb people get wowed by a big vessel.

Maybe it will be a good reef once sunk because China decided to over play its hand against the US.

Agree. The main issue about Chinese stuff is that we don't know the quality. And even if they have the numbers, they are still far away from a situation were they really outnumber US forces.

In terms of quality they may be overhyped : their stealth missile boat appears very well on commercial satelitte radars. It may look stealthy but it isn't.

Same was for their vaunted J-20. Which India picked up on Su-30MKI bars m radar.

China can make things look pretty, but like their commercial shit, it still is shit. Looks pretty but runs like crap.

Isos wrote:

walle83 wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

Seems others also agree - rather get yasens and other vessels that actually matter than this big piece of shit open target.  Only dumb people get wowed by a big vessel.

Like the Kirovs then?

And when will Russia have all of those submarines and Tu-160s? In 2040?

By then China will have developt and built 5 new generations of warships and submarines.

They already have 5 borei in service and 5 being built. Same for the Yasen 10 built or being built.

China actually needs to develop 5 generations of submarine before getting something close to Yasen. It will take a long time before they catch up on the sub technology.

Nah, the Type-093 is probably in the area of early L.A class and Akula 1 submarines in capabilities . And with the new Type-095 they should start to catch up pretty good.

ALAMO wrote:A trolling comment brings trolling feedback.
Don't be surprised

Nah, the Type-093 is probably in the area of early L.A class and Akula 1 submarines in capabilities . And with the new Type-095 they should start to catch up pretty good.

They are pretty easy to track. Japanese play with them as soon as they leave the chinese waters.

They would be more than happy if they had something like an akula 1.

GarryB wrote:

What precisely is outdated? And compared to what? A 40 year old Slava cruiser? That only carries one third of the missiles the Type-055 can by the way.

You went fishing and you caught some fish... why are you objecting to fish biting at your lure?

You must wonder what the Russian are thinking when the Chinese has new ships basicly every time the have an joint exercise, and them self returns with the same old Slava and Udulay vessels year after year

I would say they will be thinking what nice shiny modern ships they are building, but why do they copy from the Americans the air defence stuff... they would be much better off copying us in regard to air defence...

Was just going to post what handsome looking ships they are, but you ruin it all with trolling...

Like the Kirovs then?

Cruisers make sense to protect carriers or if you can't afford carriers they are the closest thing at sea that can look after itself and other vessels with it.

By then China will have developt and built 5 new generations of warships and submarines.

Suggests they don't know what they are doing, so they will build and fix.... like Microsoft with a new OS...

Not ideal really.

Nah, the Type-093 is probably in the area of early L.A class and Akula 1 submarines in capabilities . And with the new Type-095 they should start to catch up pretty good.

Guestimates and assumed improvements does not make a good navy... or a good anything...

There is more to making a good submarine than making good reactors or nice neat wielding seams, or using the best quality steel and other materials... and the best CPUs and chips don't make much difference a lot of the time either.

Then you admit that the Type-055 is a good idea then, as the chinese have carriers.

"Not knowing what they are doing" is relly not what im saying. If that was the case the same could be said about every other modified vessels then. The difference is that China is moving thru the generations twice as fast to catch up.  

Im not gessing, just stating what has been reported about the 093 for some years.

And no trolling, but several members on the forum has a very hard time reading anything that can be negative against Russia and not go ape.

My orginal point was that China today has more or less replaced all of its larger surface vessels, and the Russian continues to use the same old workhorses with no replacement in sight.

To be fair to the Chinese - the surface ship that is completely invisible to radar still needs to be built.

Also considering what the Chinese Navy (military) looked like a couple of decades ago - you have to be impressed at where they are now.

This decade is crucial for the Russian Navy as well and hopefully we can say the same at the end of it. Thankfully things are moving in the right direction.

Type-055 gets replenishment.