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    Mi-28N Havoc: News

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    Post  TR1 Sun May 25, 2014 11:10 pm

    They work for me.

    Nice pics.
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    Post  Werewolf Mon May 26, 2014 12:12 pm

    Now they work for me too.
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    Post  Viktor Fri Jun 06, 2014 3:11 pm

    Lots of new stuff coming soon  thumbsup 

    Upgraded Russian helicopter Mi-28N will get a new control system
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    Post  George1 Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:28 am

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    Post  Werewolf Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:43 am

    I've wondered what the little sensors are for on the right engine side on Mi-28N. Like on this picture i posted in iraqi deals thread.

    Mi-28N Havoc: News - Page 5 Bisnj8as

    And i noticed exact same sensors in higher resolution on WZ-10.

    Can someone tell me if he knows what it is?

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    Post  medo Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:54 pm

    Werewolf wrote:I've wondered what the little sensors are for on the right engine side on Mi-28N. Like on this picture i posted in iraqi deals thread.

    Mi-28N Havoc: News - Page 5 Bisnj8as

    And i noticed exact same sensors in higher resolution on WZ-10.

    Can someone tell me if he knows what it is?

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    I think this is sensor to measure angle of attack.
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    Post  Werewolf Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:09 pm

    It looks very stiff to me to believe it has anything to do with aerodynamic or anything in that regard.

    I find it little bit strange since it is angled back in 60-45° and the little metal plate with that little elevation looks little bid odd and quite useless for air sensorics. I think more of radio intereference sensor, but really not what i've  seen on other sensors for same purpose. Really bugging me what that is used for.

    The other thing is on Chinese WZ-10 the angled spike is facing towards that metal plate and on Mi-28 it faces away and the metal plate is infront of the spike towards flight direction.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:07 am

    Have read in the past, criticism of the Mi-28N for not having the DIRCM turrets shown on the Ka-52.

    Perhaps this photo explains the situation as these DIRCM pods look very much like the wingtip pods of the Mi-28N:

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    Post  George1 Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:16 am

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    Post  medo Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:38 pm

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    Picture of new Mi-8AMTSh, but behind is a new Mi-28N with mast mounted radar.
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    Post  Cyberspec Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:53 pm

    Is that a prototype of the MN or a serial Mi-28N?
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    Post  medo Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:06 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:Is that a prototype of the MN or a serial Mi-28N?

    Difficult to say, as bort number is not seen clearly. But it have new colors, so could be one of new build helicopters. After all, new Iraqi Mi-28 also have radar.

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    Post  Werewolf Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:49 pm

    GarryB wrote:Have read in the past, criticism of the Mi-28N for not having the DIRCM turrets shown on the Ka-52.

    Perhaps this photo explains the situation as these DIRCM pods look very much like the wingtip pods of the Mi-28N:

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    Do you know if there was a picture of the datasheet somewhere taken by Vitaly?
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    Post  mack8 Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:49 pm

    Picture of new Mi-8AMTSh, but behind is a new Mi-28N with mast mounted radar.

    Could just be 37, judging also by the exhaust and fuselage smoke stains (so it has flown a good amount)
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    Post  Cyberspec Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:19 am

    mack8 wrote:
    Picture of new Mi-8AMTSh, but behind is a new Mi-28N with mast mounted radar.

    Could just be 37, judging also by the exhaust and fuselage smoke stains (so it has flown a good amount)

    we'll just have to wait for clearer pictures
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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:47 am

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    The above are the best shots of that system.

    There was also this:


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    Which is the data sheet for this:

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    Post  Werewolf Sun Dec 07, 2014 3:07 pm

    Thank you very much.
    Like it seems and from the dimensions of the DIRCM there should be enough space in this pods for Flare dispensers left from the DIRCM.
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    Post  Viktor Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:41 pm

    4 new ones thumbsup

    In the secondary cooling zone received four shock Mi-28N
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    Post  Cyberspec Wed Mar 11, 2015 9:57 am

    Apparently a pylon for R-73 AAM  Question

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    Post  GarryB Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:15 pm

    With two R-73s and 8 Iglas and of course a 30mm cannon it would be fairly well equipped in the airfield perimeter air defence role, but it seems odd to me to use it for such a purpose.

    I can understand the iglas for self defence when air threats are a problem, or the enemy is using large numbers of UAVs, but an R-73 would only be warranted against serious air opposition... and against serious air opposition I wouldn't send up Havocs... I'd send up MiG-29s and Su-27s to clear the skies first.

    Certainly the R-73 with its 8kg warhead should be able to deal with aircraft like the A-10 with one hit but these aircraft don't operate alone so having all your weapons pylons equipped with AAMs doesn't make sense. It wont be able to do its job with just its 30mm cannon for air to ground use.

    Or perhaps this is just for testing and they are testing its air to air capability with R-73s and Iglas against aerial targets.
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    Post  Werewolf Thu Mar 12, 2015 11:05 am

    Apparently a pylon for R-73 AAM  Question

    Yes, i asked it on a different forum and apparently the launching rack APU-73 was mounted rear forward, not sure if this is just universale designed launching rack where it does not matter which way, which would make the only sense if it would not matter.
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    Post  TheArmenian Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:16 am

    GarryB wrote:With two R-73s and 8 Iglas and of course a 30mm cannon it would be fairly well equipped in the airfield perimeter air defence role, but it seems odd to me to use it for such a purpose.

    I can understand the iglas for self defence when air threats are a problem, or the enemy is using large numbers of UAVs, but an R-73 would only be warranted against serious air opposition... and against serious air opposition I wouldn't send up Havocs... I'd send up MiG-29s and Su-27s to clear the skies first.

    Certainly the R-73 with its 8kg warhead should be able to deal with aircraft like the A-10 with one hit but these aircraft don't operate alone so having all your weapons pylons equipped with AAMs doesn't make sense. It wont be able to do its job with just its 30mm cannon for air to ground use.

    Or perhaps this is just for testing and they are testing its air to air capability with R-73s and Iglas against aerial targets.

    My guess is it won't take the R-73. It will take the successor of that missile and go against anything that flies in an all out future war: including UAVs, other helicopters, cruise missiles and even combat aircraft that come too close.
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    Post  Werewolf Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:20 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:
    GarryB wrote:With two R-73s and 8 Iglas and of course a 30mm cannon it would be fairly well equipped in the airfield perimeter air defence role, but it seems odd to me to use it for such a purpose.

    I can understand the iglas for self defence when air threats are a problem, or the enemy is using large numbers of UAVs, but an R-73 would only be warranted against serious air opposition... and against serious air opposition I wouldn't send up Havocs... I'd send up MiG-29s and Su-27s to clear the skies first.

    Certainly the R-73 with its 8kg warhead should be able to deal with aircraft like the A-10 with one hit but these aircraft don't operate alone so having all your weapons pylons equipped with AAMs doesn't make sense. It wont be able to do its job with just its 30mm cannon for air to ground use.

    Or perhaps this is just for testing and they are testing its air to air capability with R-73s and Iglas against aerial targets.

    My guess is it won't take the R-73. It will take the successor of that missile and go against anything that flies in an all out future war: including UAVs, other helicopters, cruise missiles and even combat aircraft that come too close.

    You mean Morphei? If yes than a Multi Launching Rack would be necessary, that is kind of waste of lot of weight and space to just mount one single missile on a pylon that can hold over 730kg.
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    Post  franco Tue May 26, 2015 10:49 pm

    Testing to begin of the Mi-28NM. Probably explains why no follow up orders yet. The second batch ordered will be all delivered in 2016.
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    Post  medo Wed May 27, 2015 4:31 pm

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    Picture of various air to ground modes from Mi-28N radar.
    1. Cartography of the terrain.
    2. Showing of dangerous electric cables.
    3. Showing of ground moving targets. Green are moving away, red are coming closer.
    4. Shoving of moving target (red, green) and stationary targets.
    5. Showing of meteorological conditions
    6. Microplan mode to show more details of the target or interesting area.

    We could assume, that radar in Ka-52 have the same capabilities.

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