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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:26 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:It will happen sooner- it took only 24 years to get the Crimea back, while Belarus is a de-facto protectorate since 1991 like Mongolia was from 1924 till 1991.


    I don't have much to add here: https://www.pravdareport.com/opinion/144914-india_russia/

    We are talking about Putin here not Ivan Grozny, While regaining the lost oblasts is not unlikely, How the hell do you think Russia will wrench europe away from pindostan?

    In order for Russia to have good relations with europe, europe would need to undergo a total ideological and cultural revolution.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:39 am

    The EU is not a separate power, there is little point is treating them as a separate power as long as they think they need US protection.

    Russia might be able to talk to the EU when US forces have left Europe, but until then there is no point negotiating with the stable boy...

    For a while France had their own voice but that has gone as well a proven with Mistral...

    The huge irony is that the British people got a vote to decide whether to be told what to do by unelected liberal officials in Brussels and said no despite now having to step outside an economic market they have depended on for all these years. They are more attached to Washington than most of the EU anyway... which is amusing in its own way.

    Of course it is no different from all the eastern european countries fleeing oppression and dictatorship from Russia to find it in the EU and HATO....

    They know they need to be bitches to live well... they will change sides in a heartbeat... sounds like allies Russia can do without...
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:59 am

    GarryB wrote:

    They know they need to be bitches to live well... they will change sides in a heartbeat... sounds like allies Russia can do without...

    Rather more like countries the world could do without..... Though thier land would make for some nice extra Lebensraum for Russians....

    Sorry but I could not help myself.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:25 am

    New US report on PRC mil. power: 
    https://www.ng.ru/news/688766.html?print=Y

    The World is already multi-polar in most respects: the US/NATO controls W/C. Europe, the S. Pole & huge ice-free ocean areas, while Russia & China control most of Eurasia, Cuba, Venezuela & the N. Polar region. Soon, the EU may get in bed with China:
    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/3050819.html

    Europe at the origins of the second cold war with China

    https://nvo.ng.ru/gpolit/2020-09-03/10_1107_china.html
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    Post  The Ottoman on Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:57 pm

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    • “The empires are coming back. There are at least three of them. We can say Russia, China and Turkey, big empires in the past. They’re coming back with an approach on their immediate neighborhood and globally, which represent for us a new environment. And Turkey is one of these elements that changes our environment.” (Joseph Borrell)

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    Post  par far on Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:17 pm

    I don't think having an Empire is worth it, if you are an Empire, than you are always at war. Which is not good economically, look at Turkey, they are involved in conflicts on all borders.

    Instead of having an empire have a understanding of goodwill and free trade in good faith, you will have more this way and your country will grow and if you do this there is not a time limit like on Empires. Of course you need a very powerful Military and a very good intelligence agency.

    That is what I would try to do(and maybe that is why I am not in power) but as we can see countries are taking a military route(this has been happening through out history).

    Being an empire is very hard.

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    Post  kvs on Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:26 pm

    par far wrote:I don't think having an Empire is worth it, if you are an Empire, than you are always at war. Which is not good economically, look at Turkey, they are involved in conflicts on all borders.

    Instead of having an empire have a understanding of goodwill and free trade in good faith, you will have more this way and your country will grow and if you do this there is not a time limit like on Empires. Of course you need a very powerful Military and a very good intelligence agency.

    That is what I would try to do(and maybe that is why I am not in power) but as we can see countries are taking a military route(this has been happening through out history).

    Being an empire is very hard.


    Empires are not the dick length metric that they are made out to be. They are accidents of history. The UK stuck its nose into non-developed lands (e.g. North America) and
    reaped colonial power and wealth. The US took over the UK's role after both WWI and WWII elevated it from a country with a GDP smaller than Russia (1905) and almost
    it doubled it during WWII alone. "Daddy Warbucks" sums up the windfall the US got during WWI when European gold moved to America and Europe ceased to be the
    center of global power.

    But the windfall does not last and the accidental conjunction of global (or regional for Rome) disappears. Nobody can sail the seas today and take over lands where the
    people do not even believe in land being property. That does not stop these losers from acting as if they can. Russia, to the USA, is like the aboriginal lands of the
    early 1800s. Liebensraum to be conquered. But hubris does not make power.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:24 pm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2Z0jK4W8M4
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    Post  kvs on Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:30 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2Z0jK4W8M4

    China has joined the sanity reservation in terms of support for Wahabbi nutjobs. Back during the 1980s it was propping up Salafi Sunni Pakistan against
    the USSR in Afghanistan. I guess its experience with Salafi infiltration on its own soil (Uyghurs) must have woken up its leadership.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:43 pm

    Wahabis r in the KSA, not Iran.
    European disarray pushes Iran, Turkey into China camp


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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:55 pm

    Turkey-PRC relations: update
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    Post  kvs on Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:42 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Wahabis r in the KSA, not Iran.
    European disarray pushes Iran, Turkey into China camp

    WTF are you on about.  Read my post again.   Pakistan is Sunni with a small Shi'ite minority.   Iranians are Shi'ites.
    Salafis are almost exclusively Sunnis.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:40 pm

    China still needs Pakistan as it borders on India, Afghanistan & Iran.
    She also needs Turkey as it borders on Iran & has good relations with both Pakistan & India.
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    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:41 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2Z0jK4W8M4

    China has joined the sanity reservation in terms of support for Wahabbi nutjobs.   Back during the 1980s it was propping up Salafi Sunni Pakistan against
    the USSR in Afghanistan.   I guess its experience with Salafi infiltration on its own soil (Uyghurs) must have woken up its leadership.  


    The Uyghurs do not get any help from any Muslim country.

    They have been abandoned, with a possible exception of Turkey.

    No Muslims support them.


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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:41 pm

    India to lose more than it gains from the Quad
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    Post  kvs on Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:25 pm



    Russia is going to sell S-400 systems to Iran as soon as the UN embargo runs out.    Russia has stated it will have no
    problems selling the systems regardless of the one-note Johnny yanquis and their threats of sanctions.    Since Russia
    is not bending the knee, the NATzO fake stream media is now talking about WWIII.   I suppose they think Russia
    will roll over and submit once it hears this.

    In fact, it appears that NATzO leaders really think that Russia in unable or afraid to engage in nuclear war to defend itself.
    These clowns are beyond detached from reality.   They are living in an alternate reality.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:49 pm

    Load of crap, I have not heard anyone talking about WW3 like its going to happen soon maybe some small manner buzz channels wanting to generate views by dropping the term.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:50 am

    Selling Iran S-400 and indeed the production rights for Su-30s perhaps would be the best thing Russia could do to prevent war in the region...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:31 pm

    Hahaha! Soviet/Russian weaponry in USSR/NK/PRC prevented them from being attacked by the US so far. 
    If the S-400 was so deficient, Turkey wouldn't be denied F-35s. 
    Iran has Jews & Armenians in its parlament. 

    If any nation is Islamofascist, its Turkey.
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    Post  Aristide on Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:05 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Hahaha! Soviet/Russian weaponry in USSR/NK/PRC prevented them from being attacked by the US so far. 
    If the S-400 was so deficient, Turkey wouldn't be denied F-35s. 
    Iran has Jews & Armenians in its parlament. 

    If any nation is Islamofascist, its Turkey.

    I look down on evry islamic country. Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia. All the same shit.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:32 pm

    The flight of the "oldest mineral" over the White Sea is discussed all over the world: https://regnum.ru/news/polit/3092252.html

    China has HSMs too.
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    Post  par far on Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:22 am

    I think Putin is just playing nice with Germany, they are not a emerging superpower, they do as they are told by the US, they have immigrants raping German women, they are brining in crap ton of immigrants that are going to be a drain.

    What do you guys think?

    https://www.rt.com/russia/504287-putin-china-germany-superpowers/

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:23 am

    Germany? Well...

    It has to buy electricity from France cuz its own energy sector cannot keep with the demand.
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:40 am

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Germany? Well...

    It has to buy electricity from France cuz its own energy sector cannot keep with the demand.

    In many way moving its nuclear power activities into France. Easier politically!
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:32 am

    He is basically saying that Germany could lead the EU, but it needs to get its head out of Americas ass and be a big boy... he could probably say the same to Micron too in the sense that France could also lead the EU away from the US and to a place more valuable to europeans and really be an independent Pole in the new multipolar world being created... or they could remain Americas bitch and scratching post... it is the choice of the europeans...

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